Yes, the military can and should target American al Qaeda members
Before I explain, let’s remember that — legally — we are in a state of armed conflict against al-Qaeda, pursuant to the post-9/11 Authorization for Use of Military Force. We are not engaged in a law-enforcement operation. In other words, attacking a member of al-Qaeda is more like attacking a member of the Viet Cong in the aftermath of the Tet Offensive than it is like attacking American member of a Columbian drug cartel. An American who’s drug-running in South America is entitled to all the individualized due process of any citizen and certainly cannot be summarily killed by drone strike. An American member of al-Qaeda is, by contrast, is in a state of open and declared warfare against the United States, a state of war acknowledged by both parties to the conflict. …
In the current war, we go to great lengths to avoid targeting the wrong individual (when I was in Iraq, our targeting decisions were typically based on multiple, overlapping pieces of intelligence). Killing the enemy while sparing civilians is sound counterinsurgency, and it is sound morally. But when civilians do die, the responsibility for their deaths lies with the enemy that unlawfully used them as human shields.
If all this sounds harsh, or “chilling,” or scary, that’s because it is. War is hell. And there is no constitutional doctrine that exempts American citizens from that hell when they choose to wage war against their own country. Any other legal doctrine will create yet another perverse terrorist incentive: Can an American terrorist now be a unique human shield to prevent direct attack?









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French makes some valid points, in re persons actively engaged in warfare against the US. However, the primary problem with the Obama Doctrine is that it is so loosely written that it can be extended to persons outside the theatre of active war, who are unaffiliated with al-Qaeda or any other declared enemy of the US.
Coupled with the incendiary rhetoric of the Democrats demonizing just about any individuals or groups to the left of their own most extreme positions, this Doctrine is a genuine cause for concern.
AesopFan on February 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Thank you! It’s in the Geneva Convention, too. We’re not the war criminals — they are.
Blake on February 7, 2013 at 11:53 AM
Why not target them in the states? Hey, why not target people who disagree with the government and the governments foreign or domestic policy? In fact, why not round up islamic Americans, throw them into internment camps like FDR did to the Japanese Americans during WW2?
idiots.
MoreLiberty on February 7, 2013 at 11:56 AM
Mr. French (darn, that sounds corny), they also target Americans, who in their estimation, maybe be parts of Al-Qaeda LINKED groups who they SUSPECT of terrorism. Therein lies the rub. They can claim that any group is linked to Al-Qaeda. And our citizens don’t get due process? Next you know, if the gubmint wants to target the Amish or citizens who are Sufi muslims (pacifists, unlike the Sunnis or Shias), they too can be taken out, with claims that they’re linked with Al-Qaeda.
tommy71 on February 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM
There is a very solid legal basis that validate this action.
Another basis is “it’s just common fkn sense!”.
Here’s a moral one as well: so, these clowns like Anwar al-Souvlaki who are the brains and/or operational commanders in al-Qaeda, and if not to bomb them from a drone the alternative would be to… I guess… send in a team of soldiers to arrest them? Spec Ops soldiers are brave and accomplished, but why risk their lives when it’s too dangerous to grab the guy for arrest and trial, when there’s a high risk of injury or death to the Spec Ops operators? Why risk their lives for a scumbag like that?
AlexB on February 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM
Soros is inexplicitly late planning his unhinged Leftist rent-a-mob rally against Obama’s April 2009 summary execution of three (un-Mirandized!) Somali teens at sea.
Afterall, those targeted killings were clearly more “violent” than Bush’s patriotic moistening of KSM, et.al.
The 4-year(!) anniversary of Obama’s high seas shooting spree is this April. Get busy, progressives.
Rage against the Obamachine!
Terp Mole on February 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM
I think Mr. French makes a good argument albeit with a couple of problems.
One, this is not just targetting AQ members. This is targetting – anywhere in the world – US citizens that are with affiliated groups of AQ. Hmm. That seems pretty open ended.
Second, what one Administration can use to justify these targetted killings another Administration can change. Unilaterally. That’s not good.
We need some sort of codification or statutory language here to prevent abuse. Allowing the Executive Branch to decide for itself which Americans it can target is a power that goes to far.
Some oversight – not necessarily judicial – is needed.
SteveMG on February 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM
…and their children for no apparent reason.
CTSherman on February 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM
Chicago gangs have killed more Americans in the past three years than al Qaeda. Why aren’t these drone fans calling for mass executions in the ghettos? 560 murders in Chicago in 13 months.
Jaibones on February 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM
Can we at least have due process in determining affiliation with AQ then? Even a hearing in absentia. Come on!!
besser tot als rot on February 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Just a related FYI:
There is no law against assassinating a foreign target or leader. It is prohibited by executive order, the most recent issued by Reagan.
It is still ironic that there is an executive order still in effect that prohibits the USA from assassinating foreign leaders who are sworn enemies of the USA — yet the Obama administration thinks it is perfectly fine to assassinate US citizens for whatever reasons he makes up as he goes along.
The Rogue Tomato on February 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM
The problem here is that there is no process being used to be certain that the Americans targeted are in fact enemy combatant belligerents! We are also not talking about civilian deaths caused by collateral damage, we are talking about deliberately targeted civilians. Americans have the right to due process of law, targeting and killing them with no process is a violation of their human rights.
There needs to be a known policy and process, it has to be open, visible and challenged with checks and balances to ensure it is not abused when it comes to deliberate targeting of American Citizens.
astonerii on February 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM
LOL…conservatives my arse. For people who are suppose to question government, support a small and limited government, you goons are love a good murder via a powerful and secretive government. The fact is, many of you fools dont actually believe in limited government. You simply just love a powerful government when it fits your agenda. It is no wonder we get politicians like Romney, McCain and Senator Gramnesty.
MoreLiberty on February 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Point of order, the Geneva Conventions do not apply to conflict with Al Queda. They are not a regular military force as defined under the third convention. If we really wanted to we could start chopping heads and turning them into Camel Fil-A burgers – neither the Hague nor Geneva Conventions are relevant here.
CorporatePiggy on February 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM
That’s somewhat true. The Viet Cong were a guerilla group, but were mostly confined to one country and coordinated with the uniformed armed forces of the North. So it wasn’t that hard to know who was fighting with whom and where, although some innocent people were undoubtedly killed in error.
In the case of Al-Quaeda, we have an asymmetrical war with an enemy that has members and sympathizers throughout the world, including the United States. So, is America part of the battlefield? We did kill Americans on our soil without due process during the Civil War, so there is some precedent.
That seems to be the operative criteria. So could we have summarily executed Jane Fonda? At what point do we consider someone a member of the enemy?
RadClown on February 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM
I don’t think so. US/domestic laws forbid the government from taking such actions. And they apply to all persons not just US citizens.
SteveMG on February 7, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Because …
“Waterboarding” and “Renditioning” KNOWN TERRORISTS BORN OUTSIDE OF THE USA … I a BIG NO! NO!
But …
The outright murder of American civilians without due process is … HUNKY DOREY!!
HondaV65 on February 7, 2013 at 2:16 PM
By the way … why does the Geneva convention prohibit militaries from using expandible rounds on their enemies but …
Janet Napolitano is buying HOLLOW POINTS to force us all back into line?
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/
HondaV65 on February 7, 2013 at 2:18 PM
So they are AQ, becasue… Barack Obama says they are?
Sorry, but I’m not willing to trust a Republican that far.
Much less a lying little South Side weasel…
JohnGalt23 on February 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM