The civil war has begun
Karl Rove and his cabal would sell out on any issue if it means more power in the short-term, for they don’t stand for anything. Let’s just look at Rove’s record of accomplishments for Big Government causes. Rove supported the fiscally crippling expansion of Medicare, the anti-free speech McCain-Feingold campaign finance act, and the plan to reward illegal behavior when it comes to immigration reform. Under Rove’s watch, federal spending was out of control. Rove is no conservative; his decisions are made free of principle, with the deciding factor always being how he and the failing establishment try to cling to power.
America is in trouble. Supporting candidates who are willing to come to Washington to increase our national debt will only hasten our decline. Conservative donors must think twice about giving Rove money in support of this road to nowhere. Of course, those in the establishment will say that Rove was the “architect” of President George W. Bush’s electoral wins. But you only have to look at Bush’s second term when Rove was the Deputy Chief of Staff and see he was an architect of disaster. President Bush was mired in the 30% approval range through most of his second term. Those low approval numbers spurned by the genius of Karl Rove brought us President Barack Obama and Obamacare. The opposite of a permanent Republican majority, you might say.
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here’s the saddest graf of the Amer Spec piece, IMO
the entire article is a sad commentary on this new group. There’s no reason to attack people like Brent Bozell.
Our country is facing the whole power of the left..the left seems to be winning…the fiscal situation is dire. Rs need to build, not destroy. These are petty people would get paid win or lose…they are Not our leaders
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/02/07/conservative-fury-at-rove-erup/7
r keller on February 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM
The last I checked we’ve ceded ground the the progressives/commies for over a century by way of get along and compromise thru the so-called political process. Don’t know about the rest of you but I’ve had enough.
bgibbs1000 on February 7, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Karl Rove is first and foremost a mercenary. Much like David Gergen his loyalties lie to wherever the money is. The O’Donnell drama was mostly Rove seeking not only publicity for himself but marketing for his services by stirring the pot and creating chaos. It is good that the deceiver is being found out.
viking01 on February 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM
We’ve heard this every single election for the past 20 years. We keep uniting around people who cede ground to the socialists and essentially invalidate our policy preferences despite the work voters and activists do to get them into office. Time to try something else.
Doomberg on February 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Yep. “Unity” is preached to the rubes, while GOPe flunkies were trashing O’Donnell the second she won the DE primary. Where was the unity then?
ddrintn on February 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM
May America win, alas.
Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Dude, most of the commentors here have no idea bout Reagans Conservatism. Yeah, if its civil war, go ahead. But the pubs will end up as a minority party. My point is this, and I know that very few will logically understand it: When we are in power, throw the squishes or whatever you believe, RINOs is it? Out. But when in a minority, expand the tent, and get everybody in. The RINOs, CINOs, squishes, ronulans etc. Otherwise, we’ll be the whine party.
tommy71 on February 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM
It is time for conservatives to split from the repubs, there is no future in it as we have seen time and time again. The window keeps moving farther to the left and even mentioning cuts in spending gets you branded a radical.
Panther on February 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Actually, I think you socons drive away more voters away than you’re worth. Telling big govt socons to buzz off is probably a winning long-term strategy.
As for those who who are both fiscal and social conservatives, they have a decision to make: what’s more important, the fiscal conservatism or the social conservatism?
In addition, what is more conducive to social conservative goals, a fiscal conservatism that says morality is a personal, individual decision and that things like abortion shouldn’t be subsidized by govt – or staying home and pouting because politicians aren’t kissing your ass by promising things that will never happen, like banning abortion outright?
Get the limited govt positions implemented and the social conservatism won’t matter – unless, as I suspect, you want to impose your morality on everyone from Washington, DC. As for me, I think that’s up to you, your family, and your church – not govt at any level.
DRayRaven on February 7, 2013 at 3:00 PM
1) Tommy we have been doing that, remember the Mavericky John McCain and then the Severly Conservative, but Electable Mitt Romney?
2) It’s not the TEA Party trying to say “Hasta la Vista baby” to Rove, but ROVE saying, “GTFO” to the TEA Party. You have the Civil War thing backwards.
JFKY on February 7, 2013 at 3:00 PM
you gotta party already….the LIBERTARIAN Party.
As a SoCon I say you cannot be fiscally conservative without SOCIAL Conservatism…
Once you have a society that thinks, IF it feels good do it” AND you can then turn to others for the consequences of your actions…you cannot be fiscally conservative.
l/Libertarians keep talking about Gay Marriage and Pot Legalization and Abortion Rights AND eliminating the Welfare State…hasn’t happened and not likely to happen. So, what you end up with is hippies smoking dope on welfare…
So No, I don’t think Socon drive off more than they get, especially if you count Pro-Lifers. Please, send us away, remember there is already one Pro-Choice party, the Democrats…see if libertairan pro-choice gets nearly the votes a more Pro-Life stance gets you. Well exactly how did Gary johnson do, either as a Republican or a Libertarian?
JFKY on February 7, 2013 at 3:06 PM
No, you can’t be for small government and be a social conservative with a political agenda. You can live socially conservative privately, but you can’t enact it publicly – not with a limited govt, anyway.
Socons like Santorum and Akin are no different than progressives – except for their goals. And we keep wondering why the GOP keeps selling us down the river on the fiscal stuff. If they’re all socons as you say, it’s no wonder.
DRayRaven on February 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM
I see your point, but you are throwing the baby out with the bath water…you ca live your life conservatively, BUT the welfare state which encourgaes Non-Conservative lifestyles simply takes more and more from me/us….and the fact is that there are almost NO social lib/fiscal con’s…..certainly not enough to build a coalition around.
JFKY on February 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM
@JFKY, Thanks for responding to me in a civil manner. You really wanna know what it’ll take for us to win? Few on HA do, cos they’re all fisc cons. I can give you a solution, but you won’t like it. Lol
tommy71 on February 7, 2013 at 3:20 PM
It would be interesting to see a 2016 race where Rand Paul advocates for keeping troops out of the Middle East while Hillary Clinton is the neocon she has been as Secretary of State.
Daemonocracy on February 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM
@DRayRaven Shows that you have no idea what SoCons are. Lol
tommy71 on February 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM
Tommy71 I’m in favour of GOP unity, BUT Rove, Inglis, Lugar, Castle and the like aren’t….when the candidate they like doesn’t win, they take their ball(s) and go home….
I supported Scott Brown…Rove didn’t support O’Donell, even after she won….as I said last night, we here on the Special Teams ARE team players, but the Offensive Lineman seem to be the ones complaining, not us….
Well except for DRayRaven, sho thinks that the 40-50% of the electorate that oppose Abortion ought to be shown the door, so the Republicans can have a party that looks like an Interventionist Libertarian Party….
JFKY on February 7, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Rand Paul. Man, present so called conservatives have forgotten what Reagan Conservatism is. No idea, absolutely. Study up on it, the 3 legs of the stool of conservatism. Then, maybe, you’ll measure up.
tommy71 on February 7, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Radn Paul is tolerable, so is Palin…Paul has that really bad last name, well really that crazy father…Ron.
JFKY on February 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM
@JFKY Rove is an a**hole, no 2 ways about it. He has a bad history with winning. But now, so do the tea party. We got idjits that can’t communicate conservatism convincingly. To many, its TrueCons vs. RINOs. To others, its est vs. tea party. To me, its winning vs. losing, and if I win or lose, NOT CRITICIZE OR WHINE bout the other side, for in the end, they’re on my side. Thats it, I guess.
tommy71 on February 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM
If you study up on Reagans conservatism, you’ll know that an all round balanced conservative has 3 angles- fiscal, social and defense. To me, Palin is a natural fusion of the 3. Rand Paul isn’t. Even if he wins the primaries, he’ll still lose the GE.
tommy71 on February 7, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Well, Tommy71, we’ll have to see…because you are heading into “electability” as a primary issue…and right now, 3 years out NO ONE is electable or not electable…and we have no way of knowing who IS electable until the Weds. following the election in 2016.
And Rove, or DRayRaven, or anyone else has no real empirical measures of “electability.”
We don’t know who can win, right now…I can say who will lose…a Socially Liberal/Fiscal Conservative who openly proclaims that SoCon’s cost votes and doesn’t want their vote or support….but beyond describing who CANNOT win, I don’t think anyone can say who CAN win….and it’s merely a advertising/marketing gimmick to make any claims about it in the Primary Season.
JFKY on February 7, 2013 at 3:52 PM
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