Should domestic cats be eradicated?
Gareth Morgan: In New Zealand, our endemic species are in a spot of bother. Originally there were no predators here, but we now have an enormous number of species that were introduced when the settlers came – weasels, stoats, ferrets, rats, mice and cats and dogs. And increasing numbers of our endemic species are driven to extinction, particularly ground-restricted birds. We’re having to move them to islands. I funded a project on the Antipodes Islands to get rid of all the mice. Next I’m looking at New Zealand’s third largest island, Stewart Island, where the three species causing the bother there are feral cats, possums and rats. In the course of the research, I thought about the role of cats on the mainland. All I’ve done is try to raise awareness of it, and this thing has gone viral.
Tom Cox: It has. I’ve written a couple of cat books, and on my Facebook page I’ve had endless people sending me links to newsclips about you. I suppose I’m talking from the perspective of someone who lives in Britain, and we have very different wildlife here. The thought of keeping my own cats indoors – that feels like I’d be their prison officer. I don’t think I could do that. But it does break my heart when one of my cats gets a bird, which is quite rare – as a preventative measure, I put bells on their collars. It seems like the majority of the cats that are killing birds here are stray, so a less extreme way to control this would be to encourage people to neuter their cats. There are a ridiculous amount of stray and unwanted cats in this country, because people have been unaware of what having a cat involves, or it’s been an ill-thought-out birthday present. My 17-year-old rescue cat was originally dumped on the hard shoulder of the motorway in a plastic bag with several of his brothers and sisters.











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Yes, if for no other reason than how annoying they are when they want to eat at 3am while everyone is sleeping.
lorien1973 on February 2, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Certain unnamed bloggers hardest hit??
HotAirian on February 2, 2013 at 9:29 PM
WAR ON DOMESTIC CATS!: Progressive Study Says “Policy Intervention” Needed To Protect Mice From Cats (This Is Not Satire)
Resist We Much on February 2, 2013 at 9:30 PM
Um, do domestic cats actually kill anything that people have a use for, or is this just “oh, no, they are killing off the rare (but useless) X-bird”?
Count to 10 on February 2, 2013 at 9:36 PM
And if they got rid of the cats? What about the rats? Cats kill rats. The rats, without cats, would swarm through everyone’s flat. Then they would ask, where are the cats that hunted the rats?
H/T to Dr. Seuss.
sharrukin on February 2, 2013 at 9:37 PM
I seem to have missed the cat-caused shortage of mice, squirrels and songbirds.
PersonFromPorlock on February 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM
But then…what would I launch from the clay pigeon thrower?
Bishop on February 2, 2013 at 9:43 PM
Let the plagues begun..:)
idesign on February 2, 2013 at 9:43 PM
i had to repair my window screen this afternoon from my damn cat….so….i’ll have to think about this one.
ted c on February 2, 2013 at 9:43 PM
Yeah, that worked out great back in the 14th century. It helped bring about the Black Death.
ddrintn on February 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM
Begin…
Or maybe they have begun?
idesign on February 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM
Trick question. There are no such things as domesticated cats.
Weight of Glory on February 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM
Every time you vote for a liberal, God kills a kitten.
JimLennon on February 2, 2013 at 9:49 PM
Nah, that was Bush’s fault.
Oldnuke on February 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM
Our cat cost me a small fortune having to install steel wire fly-screens. The fabric ones were just more food.
OldEnglish on February 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM
Oh, I dunno. I’ve got a cat that’s so lazy I don’t think she would even try to catch a bird or a mouse. The only reason she gets up our of her bed is that I refuse to bring her food to her. I’m pretty sure she’s a democat.
Oldnuke on February 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM
You can’t swing a cat dead around here without … oh, nevermind.
Paul-Cincy on February 2, 2013 at 9:58 PM
more cargo cult science – this scapegoating of cats for human activities which are far more a threat to ‘wildlife’.
“The greatest pressure on many of these creatures are human activities. Changed agricultural methods have displaced the harvest mice from our crop fields. The removal of hedges to create large combine-harvester-friendly fields is a major habitat loss. The move towards monocultures on farmland have made these places into veritable deserts which do not support the food sources needed to sustain healthy populations of small mammals or of songbirds.
According to Felicity Lawrence’s work “Not on the Label”, since the 1950, Britain has lost around 60% of ancient woodland, 97% of meadow (habitats rich in flora and fauna), 200,000 miles of hedges and 50% of birds that depended on traditional (non-intensive) agricultural fields. Instead of a wide variety of fruit trees with different seasons (supporting insects) only a few varieties are grown in order to provide uniform produce for supermarkets. Modern crop fields are huge monocultures (often growing alien crops such as sunflowers and oil seed rape) treated with fungicides, insecticides and fertilizers. Small mixed farms have gone and vast tracts of land are, from a wildlife viewpoint, sterile deserts. Many orchards have been grubbed up because supermarkets have forced the prices down so far that fruit growing has become uneconomical. The now-vanished hedgerows and field margins of long grass once supported small mammals and great numbers of insects. The only verges and hedgerows left are those bordering roads where millions of creatures are killed each year by traffic. This is what is really killing Britain’s birds and small mammals. In trying to produce ever greater amounts of food ever more cheaply we have turned our once wildlife-rich country into habitat hostile to wildlife. However, since it is hard for wildlife lovers to change modern farming methods and markets or supermarkets demanding cheap, uniform produce, so they attack easier targets instead. Unless they are prepared to address the root causes of wildlife loss they cannot halt or reverse the loss.”
http://www.messybeast.com/cat-wildlife.htm
my indoor formerly feral cats are tops-everyone else in the building has had vermin problems except for me. and i have had pet birds all while owning cats- with no problems. keep your cats fed and cared for, trap-neuter-spay feral cat population and no feral cat problems. as for humans-well they’re not going to stop deflecting blame from themselves in trying to control the universe to their liking. cats and humans, dogs and humans- these are beneficial relationships developed over thousands of years. whereas what have liberals and niche cult scientists really done to improve life on earth for anyone- humans or animals?
mittens on February 2, 2013 at 10:01 PM
That’s their point. The poor rats!
It reminds me of when the Left went on a tear about fox hunting. Now, foxes are even in London. A set of twin tots were mauled to death whilst they slept in their cots a couple of years ago. Of course, everyone wanted to know why there were so many foxes and they were becoming “brazen” enough to come into urban areas.
**eyeroll**
Resist We Much on February 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Maybe that’s just the way it’s supposed to be. Circle of life and all that.
Why is “wildlife” more important than “cats”?
PattyJ on February 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM
Well those poor rats would make a meal of the little birdies they so desperately want to save.
The simple fact is that flightless birds like they have in New Zealand are doomed. We could preserve them in zoos but they aren’t going to survive the introduction of the outside world, and that introduction cannot be rolled back.
And when they tried to manage coyotes, or restricted deer hunting, the results are never what they expect because they are attempting to impose human morality on a natural world that is totally immoral. Vegetarian cat food is another laughable example.
sharrukin on February 2, 2013 at 10:16 PM
That’s ‘Cat in the Hat Tip to Dr. Seuss.’
James on February 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM
Food chain. Survival of fittest. Suck it up, libs.
petefrt on February 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM
See I was stuck on “I don’t know why she swallowed a fly…”.
gekkobear on February 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM
This “question” has now popped up on three separate continents in the last two weeks. Coincidence? I think not. I smell a NGO trying to manufacture a consensus to push for some ‘pet’ legislation. (Both meanings.)
Socratease on February 2, 2013 at 11:00 PM
Any ‘rare’ bird that can’t survive the wiles of a bunch of fat, spoiled, felinus domesticuses should be relegated to zoos and wildlife preserves. How the heck do they survive actual predators?
MelonCollie on February 2, 2013 at 11:05 PM
I’m devastated. Most of the people I love here on HA love cats. First the GOP and now my former peeps. What the?
I have no use for animals that people intentionally let roam to fuk, fight, crap and spray in other people’s yards at all hours day and night. Other than that they are just great.
arnold ziffel on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM
…no!…I love my cats!…you can eat my dog though!
KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2013 at 12:51 AM
First they came for the cats and I didn’t say anything because I was not a cat, then they came for…………
Dollayo on February 3, 2013 at 1:51 AM
From the blog post that links to:
Excellent!
Sharke on February 3, 2013 at 2:12 AM