What gun owners really want
It’s flattering being recruited into an ethos of responsibility. It makes you want to walk the line. It also reminds you how arbitrary some lines are. Cross the wrong state border with your gun or wake up one morning to new legislation or a new presidential executive order, and suddenly you’re the bad guy, not the good guy. No wonder some gun owners seem so touchy; they feel, at some level, like criminals in waiting. This feeling helps promote a bond. “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns,” says the cussed old right-wing bumper sticker. Perhaps there should be another one that says: “If guns are outlawed, there will be a lot more outlaws.”
A few months after taking the concealed-carry class, my friend and I attended a benefit for a small-town charity that attracted several people of means. Barbecued ribs were served on the host’s porch and somehow the talk turned to crime and self-defense. The former CEO of a huge company described being kidnapped for ransom many years ago. The man had escaped his captor and cheated death, he felt; he’d carried a weapon ever since, loaded with man-stopping, lethal ammunition of the sort that starts flying off the shelves when “Meet the Press” hosts wave ammo clips around on Sunday morning. Soon, other rib-eaters got to talking guns, and it emerged that a group of them, all women, liked to get together, don fancy clothes, and practice their marksmanship. They invited my friend to join them for their next outing, drawing her further into a new “us” that, only recently, had been a “them” to her.
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A bigger gun.
davidk on January 31, 2013 at 8:23 PM
More ammo…
PMR-30
Barrett .50cal
And to be left the hell alone….just that would make me darn happy. Leave me the hell alone.
PierreLegrand on January 31, 2013 at 8:25 PM
What we really want?
To have our Rights respected, including the one recognized in the Second Amendment.
Yeah, basically…Leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone. And let you live too. Aka: Live and let live.
Well, from my perspective. That and a smaller, more responsible, government that acts only as a referee not a player.
ProfShadow on January 31, 2013 at 8:25 PM
A nation of our own with limited government and a respect for the 2nd amendment.
DiscePati on January 31, 2013 at 8:25 PM
“To murder everyone in sight, the younger the better!”
-lefty
Bishop on January 31, 2013 at 8:26 PM
I want to be able to lawfully carry my sidearm anywhere I want in these 50 states, as is supposed to be the rule of law. I wouldn’t mind owning a full auto rifle either, but I wouldn’t go to the mat over it. I shot one at a range in Vegas, and it was a ton of fun to shoot.
If the Constitution said the right to an abortion shall not be infringed, there’d be 3rd trimester abortion clinics like there are 7-11′s.
crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 8:26 PM
What I want is for leftists like that guy to stop pretending he’s for the Second Amendment in order to gut it and make it practically useless for anyone.
Warner Todd Huston on January 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM
For the UN and Obama to go where it’s extremely hot.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM
I just love it when you link some lefty rag and just put someone’s name I don’t know up so I help to increase their pages views. Remember when this blog thing was an actual fight for page views and we didn’t link the enemy? You guys seem to link huff post, tnr, buzzfeed and all the ilk far too much. Remember how it used to work? you read it and tell me about so I don’t have to. By increasing their page views you give them credibility.
Kaptain Amerika on January 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Northern Command is still with us….
http://1800guntrader.com/article/obama-asks-military-leaders-if-they-will-fire-on-us-citizens/#.UP9WR_jLpzo.facebook
katy on January 31, 2013 at 8:32 PM
This…1000000+
PierreLegrand on January 31, 2013 at 8:34 PM
Man bites dog. Besides, I appreciate knowing what our enemies are saying without having to give them any traffic. I always hover before I click any link from Hot Gas.
crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 8:36 PM
Ma Deuce.
And big surprise that the clown still can’t avoid using a lazy strawman to characterize the position of those who disagree with him:
Will leftists ever develop an ability for argument that does not rely heavily or, more often, exclusively on strawmen?
besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Mr. Reasonable is a Trojan Horse. Here’s the last paragraph.
aquaviva on January 31, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Gulp.
crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Can you even find one of those? I can’t understand how Kel Tec makes a gun that tons of people want but they weren’t able to provide any stock (even before this run). I was looking for that gun months ago and couldn’t find squat.
I am amazed that you can’t find any regular 22LRs with huge capacities. One would imagine that you could easily fit 30 or 40 rounds in a mag the size that takes 17 rounds of 9mm. But it seems that just about every little 22LR pistol has 10 round mags for some odd reason. I guess it’s an artifact of the last ban … but it still makes no sense, at all. If someone came out with a 22 with a 35 round mag that pistol would sell like hotcakes.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 8:45 PM
We need our guns to stop futurehitler.
Pablo Honey on January 31, 2013 at 8:46 PM
The future is now.
crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Except LaPierre probably would not agree, since assault rifles can be full auto and are already, as a practical matter, banned for almost everybody.
Lefties love to distort language to have an emotional effect. Just as they call standard capacity mags “high capacity”.
Fenris on January 31, 2013 at 8:54 PM
I caught that too. And, I think, the counter question to his: What will be gained by giving them up? Nothing.
besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 8:55 PM
I don’t see how this is constitutional, truth be told. “Shall not be infringed.” If people don’t like that and their position is so popular, they should amend the constitution. Otherwise, abide by the law. I know – it’s like I’m living in a fantasy land where I expect the royalty and aristocracy of government to live within the rule of law. The law is for us poor peasants. It’s like the Magna Carta never happened.
besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 8:58 PM
I believe ATI makes an mp5 clone in 22lr that accepts a 100 round drum. fake suppressor and all.
tom daschle concerned on January 31, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Not really in the form of a question, but, some want 0 and the progressives leftists to go to heII
Notice, not really on the form of a sentence.
Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Or should I have not said it this way?
Noreallyintheformofaquestionbutsomewant0andtheprogressivesleftiststogotoheII
Little black helicopters being what they are these days.
Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 9:05 PM
To live in a free Nation, with free men and women.
Oh yeah… and ice cream. Gotta have ice cream…
JohnGalt23 on January 31, 2013 at 9:05 PM
Excellent point!
Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Some have already stated it. what gun owners really want is for their constitutionally protected right to bear arms not to be infringed. not now. not ever. not for any bleeding heart reason. I don’t give a fk how much concern you have or how many children you parade around, you do not have the right to infringe on my 2nd amendment right. so piss off reprobates.
tom daschle concerned on January 31, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Yeah … there are decent large mags and drums for rifles and carbines, but I mean a regular sized mag in a regular pistol (like the PMR-30, though I’m not a fan of 22 WMR, since there’s no real cost saving on the ammo from centerfire).
I’ve got a Tanfoglio Witness that takes 12 rounds of 40S+W but with the 22 conversion kit the 22 mag only takes 10 rounds, which seems pretty ridiculous. They could easily fit 25 or 30 rounds of 22 in a mag the same size. But they just won’t make them. No one will, it seems. Very odd.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 9:11 PM
Ahhh a logical fallacy…call me anything but don’t call me surprised.
CW on January 31, 2013 at 9:13 PM
It’s not.
Oh ya, I forgot to say: I want one of these
Fenris on January 31, 2013 at 9:13 PM
No Marine I have ever known would shun their Constitutional responsibility.
Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Here’s a thought. Go after the bad guys not the good guys.
Imagine if you used such a broad sweeping mindset against a race , sex, or a sexual orientation.
CW on January 31, 2013 at 9:15 PM
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 9:11 PM
I wonder if it has to do with the round itself? I have a tacticool ruger 10/22 with the bx-25 25 round mags and they are not reliable. I have to disassemble them and clean them after a day at the range. is there even a double stack 22 mag on the market? everyone I have seen is single stack.
tom daschle concerned on January 31, 2013 at 9:18 PM
I forgot about the calico .22 pistol. it has 100 round mags, although it is overall a really weird design.
tom daschle concerned on January 31, 2013 at 9:21 PM
There are 50 round drum magazines for the 10/22. If you can actually find one in stock let us all know if it works reliably. I doubt it.
Fenris on January 31, 2013 at 9:29 PM
And rapists. And other violent criminals.
But you don’t care about a woman’s ability to protect herself and her family.
gwelf on January 31, 2013 at 9:30 PM
How’s about not being blamed or punished for the crimes of lunatics?
Galt2009 on January 31, 2013 at 9:48 PM
Outside of the Second Amendment, according to this guy, we don’t need “assault” weapons and shouldn’t have them. Of course, the stultified libruls that claim to know what an assault weapon is, think that a bayonet stud makes an assault weapon. As long as there are self deluded, self-righteous liberals, that think that, we need to exclude them from being legislators. They are too dumb to be allowed to make laws.
Old Country Boy on January 31, 2013 at 9:49 PM
‘Rimfire’ (.22) cases can not be effectively double-staggered without the risk of mis-feeding — it goes with the territory. That’s why all .22 feeds are single-stack.
Even the high-cap magazines (drum or otherwise) are single-line feeds.
Besides, the whole point of a .22 (IMO) is to be a good enough shot that you only need one bullet.
CPT. Charles on January 31, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Makes sense. I guess that was tom’s point, too. Thanks.
Heh.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM
That’s how the left was given control of the schools, and the universities, and the courts, and the media, and… We gave it to them because they pitched a fit and called us names and said it was only fair, and we didn’t want to be perceived as hostile. And now they control our lives because they wanted to and we let them.
The gun banners will never respect us because we give in. How much respect does the NRA get for going along with the Brady background check? None. And here they are saying they want more background checks, that the NRA is evil because this time they’re saying ‘No’.
If we follow this man’s advice, the same thing will happen again: No credit, no reduction in violence, and next time they’ll want more. And more. And more. Because, as he said, there’s no significant difference between “assault weapons” and the rest of the semi-autos, so give up those, why are we being so obstinate? Why can’t they ban our .38 revolvers if they shoot essentially just as fast as a banned semi-auto? And once you’re down to a single-shot or a .22, there’s no defensive utility in them, so give them up, too. By then there won’t be enough gun owners left to oppose them anyway.
I’m done being nice.
Socratease on January 31, 2013 at 11:03 PM
Gun owners want to own their guns.
That is all.
Spliff Menendez on January 31, 2013 at 11:29 PM
A warm gun.
Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 11:55 PM
I just want magazines to never be called clips unless they’re in reference to an M1 Garand ever again for as long as I live.
Sgt Steve on February 1, 2013 at 12:02 AM