Who wins from the immigration deal? Not Republicans
As the Hispanic electorate becomes less Cuban, more Mexican and Central American, it becomes less susceptible to GOP cultural themes. The claim that Hispanic voters are “natural Republicans” is based on nothing but wishful thinking, fortified by ignorance.
Economically struggling Hispanics need and want more government than the GOP will offer them, and the 11 million illegals soon to embark on their “path to citizenship” will need and want even more: Earned Income Tax Credits, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, food stamps, and so on. Even into the fourth generation after joining the American workforce, Mexican-Americans remain strikingly less likely to finish college than Anglo-Americans.
It’s not true for everyone, of course, but it’s true for enough to ensure that Democrats will win the larger share of the Hispanic vote for a long time to come.
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Not America that’s for damned sure.
Rio Linda Refugee on January 28, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Wow, so let me write down all Mr Frum’s solutions here:
Well that about does it.
Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM
I think Republicans do win from the immigration deal.
Republicans DETEST being associated with conservatives and want nothing more than to be allowed to be the just slightly less progressive party. More progressive voters means fewer conservative politicians and less needing to accomplish anything for progressive Republicans. In other words, they want there to be enough progressive votes to elect progressive Democrats and progressive Republicans so they can wield power against the citizens more and more.
What, you thought the Bush years were conservative? LOL
astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM
I can’t believe it, Frum has something right.
Kjeil on January 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM
Well, according to John McCain…Captain Chappaquiddick’s Legacy will earn bonus points.
Maybe Satan will pull a couple of barbs outta that cactus he’s currently doing the ‘sit and spin’ on….
BigWyo on January 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM
Looks good to me.
I can tell you what a solution won’t look like: 20 million more Democrat voters at a stroke.
HitNRun on January 28, 2013 at 8:52 PM
b!tch b!tch b!itch, moan moan moan, no one is as Tru Con as me!
Okay, Einstein, what’s your alternative solution? Deport them all?
How are you going to find them if they’re not on the grid?
John the Libertarian on January 28, 2013 at 8:55 PM
First: Review the actual immigration laws to make sure that are meeting our needs (our country’s needs (not the immigrants needs)- immigration is a postive for this country, as long as its well managed)
Second: ENFORCE the laws, which would be a neat reversal of the way we’ve handled immigration for my entire lifetime.
Then (and only then) discuss various options for the people who’ve been in this country for so long they’ve become entrenched.
LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Yep.
Although at this point, I wouldn’t oppose GIVING California, Nevada and New Mexico BACK to Mexico so it’s not part of the United States any more.
wildcat72 on January 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM
John, the libertarians I know like the idea of open or near open borders. This approach just cannot work while we have a heavy welfare system. Its just abusive.
Hugh Hewitt is on the radio right now all pumped up about this issue – and he now thinks we should give school vouchers to the illegal kids ’cause they will need good schools once we ‘normalize’ their status.
Goodness the pandering!
Now, if we can end the welfare state, then we can talk about the libertarian near-open borders ideas.
LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM
Enforce workplaces and put people who hire illegals in jail.
Extend that to include people who hire day laborers without verifying legal status.
Stop allowing illegal children to go to schools.
Stop allowing born in America to automatically grant citizenship, they also need to be born to a citizen to get that.
Stop paying medical providers to provide healthcare to illegals free of charge.
When the vast majority self deport, spend the resources to round up the vast majority of the rest and take their biometric information, put them on a never allowed back list, if they come back, they go to a desert heavy labor camp where they either earn their meals or get executed.
Arm the southern border. Require tracking devices for visa holders. Anyone who comes on a visa and removes or hampers their tracking shall be deported and as others, not allowed to return to the USA.
Simple, fair, and doable.
astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM
HotAirian on January 28, 2013 at 9:08 PM
Frum is correct. The GOP elites cannot tell a Cuban from a Mexican. The two groups have different goals
The solution is to enforce existing law mainly against all employers. This would open up about 10 – 15 million jobs. Many are good jobs, construction, cement, plumbing, carpentry etc. This is the maintenance work of a nation. Bring in legal immigrants to work ag. Think you couldn’t find them?
We are already getting the bottom of the educational barrel to do the servicing of the nation now. They are having kids. We already have plenty of those kids – they are called unemployed citizens.
Lock up employers who hire illegals. Think they wont start hiring citizens? Illegals are not manufacturing for export. That work is mainly overseas. Blacks have been pushed out of the labor market by illegals. They will not get hired until employers are forced tonot hire anyone but blacks
This is the dirty secret of our system
Will the GOP accept this, or the DEMs? Neither but it is the truth
entagor on January 28, 2013 at 9:09 PM
If you make them ineligible for ANY kind of government benefit and add MANDATORY minimum sentences for CEO’s and officers of companies that employ illegals and run their company in such a way that it’s OBVIOUS they are willfully doing so (ie: not paying wages that they’d have to pay if employing legal labor) the honey pot would dry up so fast they’d be climbing over each other to go back to Mexico.
Of course, the Republican establishment won’t go for that (CEO perp walks) any more than Democrats will go for denying welfare slavery to anyone they can trap into voting for them.
The magnet needs to be shut off so they stop coming for any reason other than to do it legally and become a citizen.
wildcat72 on January 28, 2013 at 9:11 PM
So Frum’s argument is that Hispanics won’t vote Republican because Hispanics are here for the welfare?
How come that’s racist when we say it, but news analysis when Frum does?
Rational Thought on January 28, 2013 at 9:20 PM
I’d really love to have my aunt inlaw come over to America to help my wife care for our daughter. I cannot do it legally, or at least not legally and financially viably. What the government is telling me is that I should just buy her a ticket to Canada or Mexico where she then just crosses the border and stays in our home with us. If I do that, then she will shortly be granted citizenship for which she would never be eligible for otherwise. I really love how our government works…
astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM
And I guarantee our country would be better off if your Aunt could immigrate legally and we focused on things that make sense rather than letting criminals mass migrate.
And, yes, anyone who sneaks across our border illegally IS A CRIMINAL.
wildcat72 on January 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Hell, the Mexicans would take advantage of the natural resources available and turn a profit.
Rio Linda Refugee on January 28, 2013 at 9:38 PM
Ahh yes, the clarion call of the amnesty shill. Can’t deport them all, therefore we should deport none of them, and reward them for being here as well, lol.
I recommend starting at Home Depot and Lowes.
How are you going to find them if they don’t comply with the new rules?
xblade on January 28, 2013 at 10:04 PM
That is actually less likely than them turning Los Angeles into a drug cartel warzone like Nuevo Laredo.
On second thought, would that really be much of a change from what they are today?
wildcat72 on January 28, 2013 at 10:04 PM