What did Republicans win in the immigration deal?
I’ve now got clarification from Senate staff working on the bill, and it turns out that the enforcement commission’s judgments will only be advisory, and are entirely nonbinding. Congress’ actions will not be dictated by what this commission concludes; neither will actions taken by the Department of Homeland Security. The citizenship process will be triggered by other means (more on this soon).
This is central to the debate. If this commission had the power to dictate when the citizenship process begins, it could endanger the entire enterprise by giving people like Jan Brewer veto power. Second, this enforcement commission is being seen as a major concession Republicans won in exchange for agreeing to grant citizenship to the 11 million.
But the commission isn’t, for all practical purposes, really a major concession at all. If you look at the framework released by the bipartisan group of eight Senators today, it never quite says directly that the citizenship process can’t move forward until the commission reaches its findings. Rather, it says the plan creates a commission that will make a “recommendation” on when border security has been achieved, and doesn’t specify that this recommendation is what triggers the citizenship process…
It appear that there are some divisions within the bipartisan group of Senators over this point. For instance, Senator Marco Rubio — who is supported by the Tea Party — is not prepared to say that the commission’s role is purely advisory
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What they always seem to win. More power to the government, so on those off chances they end up as majorities, they can weild that power over the rest of us.
Here the power is that the voting block will become more progressive and poor. The GOP is ostensibly now nothing but the enablers of the Progressive movement.
The better question is, what did conservatism win in the immigration deal.
astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM
Marko got facts to explain to the Tea Party now.
for facts
http://www.aliac.us/
http://www.numbersusa.org/
Americans for Legal Immagration first above has up a list of Republicans who need calls in the House.
The U.S. Senate is not so much a U.S. operation any longer.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM
“Win” doesn’t mean what you think it does. These are Republicans after all.
conservative pilgrim on January 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM
Like Obama, it acts as a blank slate onto which people of extremely diverse opinions can cast their political statements on what it means, so when things go different they can feign they were tricked and still hope to have respect from the voters later.
astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM
What a shock; “enforcement” is a sham and meant to fool the easily fooled and willing dupes, and to give GOP amnesty shills cover to claim the opposition to amnesty is just “racism.”
Doomberg on January 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM
Wrong! The Tea Party supported Rubio over Crist in FL. I don’t see anywhere where the Tea Party supports Rubio on Amnesty or over his PIPA co-sponsorship or over his more Establishment style Foreign policy or over pretty much anything he has been doing since he got into the Senate. I wish HotAir will quit saying that he has Tea Party support as well.
journeymike on January 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM
oops
http://www.alipac.us/
APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM
The boobie prize, to be personlly handed out by the POTUS himself.
Red Creek on January 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM
A week of not being completely ridiculed in the MSM. Maybe.
Flange on January 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM
“Advisory”? That means it’ll be ignored and amnesty will be granted. The only question is will Obama even bother waiting until 2016 or will he do it immediately?
Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM
An all expense paid trip to Irrelevance.
portlandon on January 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM
Kill the bill. Ridiculous.
El_Terrible on January 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM
Republicans seem to consider it victory when they take the Democrat offer and make it much, much worse. So, looks like that is what we’re getting here.
besser tot als rot on January 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM
If the GOP goes along with this, its guaranteed suicide.
El_Terrible on January 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM
Get ready for the Republicans to film the scene “OMG, we were duped again!” take 2,456,982,947,999,666
astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM
so the enforcement part is in fact as the donks are crowing to their fans non-binding….?
Yeah doubters the GOP is on the path to WINNING!
I quit New England and MN and WI the GOP is yours.
Have fun with it.
harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Rush is talking to a Border Patrol caller right now and discussing this too.
Since Sargent is apparently fed White House talking points, I myself wonder if Sargent is doing his best to stir up conservative opposition.
Just a paranoid thought…
Drained Brain on January 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM
They win nothing.
Obama gets this for free.
Purple Fury on January 28, 2013 at 2:34 PM
“Build the damn fence”, Juan McAmnesty
trs on January 28, 2013 at 2:40 PM
looks like the GOP is telling us “you will win nothing and you will like it.”
bannor on January 28, 2013 at 2:40 PM
According to some a 2016 Presidential candidate.
RickB on January 28, 2013 at 2:44 PM
Comments by House (Republican) Speaker John Boehner:
Before the Rip-on-us Society meeting in D.C. last week.
“There have been secret meetings between Republican leaders and Democrat leaders now for 3 or 4 years and an agreement has been reached.”
So, no bill in the Senate or House , no hearings, no input from U.S. , “we had secret meetings” and its done.
Unconstitutional Goverment clear as can be.
Better word is treason.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Welcome
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We are doomed
cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 2:50 PM
We’ve been punked… again.
Lord help us, the GOP is beyond STUPID!
journeymike on January 28, 2013 at 2:51 PM
Flange
Nope the lsm is laughing their butts off because the gop caved
cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Dem Senators on TV now praising this reform along with yhe dream act
cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Staging a bogus law in preparation for an end run. Who will be given the OK to vote against it in the Senate? Which press will be allowed to pretend there is some drama in the vote?
The spin begins. Author must have laughed his behind off as he typed out this pack of baloney:
Is he talking about the Dick Armey Tea Party, or the real Tea Party? Rubio lost my support, completely. I am Tea Party
A source? Right. We already have mechanisms in place for the entire immigration and naturalization laws on the books. Enforce them first to prove you are not lying this time too
Rubio is holding out. Right
Excuse while I go put my head in the garbage can, to get the smell out of my nose. Did they just say Rubio is working on this harder than he ever worked before? Oh, that was Clinton. No difference
entagor on January 28, 2013 at 3:02 PM
A zucchini?
arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM
Greg Sargent haha
Joey24007 on January 28, 2013 at 3:07 PM
I have one message to the GOP elites.
I am Tea Party
You do not own me. You offend me
I do not care if you are afraid I will be disenfranchised by opposing amnesty. I will oppose amnesty the one way I can: by withholding my vote from those who support it. If you put this bill forward, you have disowned me, so I owe no loyalty to you. My vote may lose influence, but it will no longer help you
No more McCains
I am well aware both parties stage votes, and allow legislators to vote against the party, if there are already enough votes to ram a bill through. The frauds can be identified and posted
The GOP will be the dead party, because it cut itself off at the knees. I may not get my nation back, but I will gladly watch you disappear
I retain my flags, the red, white, and blue and the yellow flag of Gadsden. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
entagor on January 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM
That’s why I said “maybe”. I know the media can’t last that long, and the GOP leaders can’t seem to figure that out.
Flange on January 28, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Amen flange
cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM
More laws no one in power will enforce to dupe the general populace that the political class are not flaming traitors and scum.
profitsbeard on January 28, 2013 at 3:56 PM