Final solution: rebellion. At the point the Executor of the law decides the rebellion is against written law, it only ends at Gettysburg. To oppose the Union becomes treason, and Martial law is no law. The South was laid waste to win. Yet the Gettysburg address re affirmed original America (minus right of secession) and also reached out to the rebels

Lincoln did not rub the faces of his enemies into the dirt. His many speeches reflect Christian moderation.

Obama does not want to reset America. He wants it gone. Obama shares a distaste of the red, white and blue with Carter

It is a thorn in their sides that so many Americans do not share the Obama/Carter distaste for guns and religion but wallow in Biblical religions instead of humanism. Marx also shared this disgust, and that is where Obama belongs in history

Read Marx, On the Jewish Question (A World Without Jews), 1843, and you will find Obama.

The splitting-up of the individual into Jew and citizen, into Protestant and citizen, into a religious person and citizen, this decomposition does not belie citizenship; it is not a circumvention of political emancipation; it is political emancipation itself, it is the political manner of becoming emancipated from religion. Moreover, in times when the political State as a political State is forcibly born of bourgeois society, when human self-liberation strives to realize itself under the form of political self-liberation, the State is driven the whole length of abolishing, of destroying religion, but it also proceeds to the abolition of private property, to the law of maximum, to confiscation, to progressive taxation, just as it proceeds to the abolition of life, to the guillotine

wildcat72 on January 22, 2013 at 5:14 PM

HondaV65 on January 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Don’t disagree. There is a lengthy discussion that none of us could ever have (without being called racist bigots who wanna’ put y’all back in chains) about secession, voluntary participation in the union, and Lincoln’s strong-arming of the South.

My point (ungraceful as it may have been) was more about intent. I believe Lincoln genuinely wanted to use his “power” to get everyone to do the right thing, and Baraka who cannot get enough power and will use it to rememdy a bunch of other falsely perceived social injustices.

I mean – Lincoln is no hero of mine. He was the one who started this leviathon federal government mess and now it’s totally out of control!

HondaV65 on January 22, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Agreed. I’ve never understood why self proclaimed conservatives fawn over Lincoln. Even his greatest achievement, freeing the slaves, was an afterthought. A means to an end.

There was nothing conservative about Lincoln at all.

Well, they are both metrosexuals, so there’s that.

UltimateBob on January 22, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Closet homosexuals, even. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Now this, on the other hand… there’s definitely something wrong with that.

Not really – Lincoln was one of the FIRST Presidents to take extreme “liberties” with the Constitution.

Uniter? Lincoln was no uniter. He imprisoned, without trial, any journalist who opposed the civil war. When an election got too close for his comfort – he put Northern soldiers on “furlough” or “leave” so they could return home and vote for him.

I mean – Lincoln is no hero of mine. He was the one who started this leviathon federal government mess and now it’s totally out of control!

HondaV65 on January 22, 2013 at 5:20 PM

I agree 100%. This is why I rate Lincoln amongst the 5 WORST Presidents of all time. He’d be more at home amongst the RINO wing of the Republican Party because he was all for Big Government and stripping of civil liberty, just like the libs.

We also ceased to be a union of consenting states as a result of his actions.

Here are my “bottom 5″ Presidents:

44. Barry Hussein Soetoro a.k.a Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
43. Jimmy Carter
42. Woodrow Wilson
41. FDR
40. Abraham Lincoln

I am glad somebody finally wrote this. Let’s not forget the fact that Lincoln spilled blood in order to try and preserve the union. Obama seems hell bent on trying to disolve our union.

CycloneCDB on January 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Lincoln did spill blood to preserve the union – and he destroyed the Constitution and the 10th amendment along with them.

So yeah! Let’s here it for Lincoln for preserving an artificial bond between states at the cost of burning our founding principles.

Obama is the antithesis of Lincoln

Not really – Lincoln was one of the FIRST Presidents to take extreme “liberties” with the Constitution.

Uniter? Lincoln was no uniter. He imprisoned, without trial, any journalist who opposed the civil war. When an election got too close for his comfort – he put Northern soldiers on “furlough” or “leave” so they could return home and vote for him.

I mean – Lincoln is no hero of mine. He was the one who started this leviathon federal government mess and now it’s totally out of control!

I am glad somebody finally wrote this. Let’s not forget the fact that Lincoln spilled blood in order to try and preserve the union. Obama seems hell bent on trying to disolve our union.

CycloneCDB on January 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Actually, Obama is finishing what Lincoln started: the complete eradication of the firewalls against tyranny the Constitution had.

Lincoln began the process. Prior to him the Union was CONSENSUAL. After his it was now held by FORCE. You see, the Southern States (or any other for that matter) had every right to secede. The Union was ratified by the States, it can be amended by the States, therefore it can be dissolved (or left) by the States.

You are correct though in that the ultimate result of Obama’s “victories” for socialism will be the dissolution of the United States as we know it as a 50, uhh, 57 state union due to the impending financial collapse brought on by crushing spending, crushing debt, and crushing unfunded liabilities.

A bunch of bankrupt and corrupt crime ridden urban centers (which is where 90% of Obama’s support is) will not be able to hold on to the productive countryside (where 90% of those who still do and make things are) for long by force of arms alone.

I see whole blocks of states that are like minded leaving this mess within the next couple decades to form their own unions, one of which likely will be a bloc of Southern States. The irony being that this time it would be the impoverished North that would lose any such war because all the manufacturing that remains is in the South by and large…