It’s deja vu all over again.

And in a country with 20%+ real unemployment, anyone talking about “work permits” for anyone other than Americans is out of their head.

law has to be made, and be made with a solid foundation so the liberals can’t dismantle it, piece by piece, like they did with Reagan’s bill…and the way to achieve that is for conservatives to take a deep breath, know we are not going to get everything, but make sure the border is secured, welfare is reduced, U.S. citizens are safe…and allow a detailed lengthy pathway to legal residency with conditions.

And what do we do when the Fed. Government goes back on its word and doesnt give us Border Sec. you make it sound like we havent been down this road before.

ChunkyLover on January 18, 2013 at 9:32 AM

we dont get fooled again

law has to be made, and be made with a solid foundation so the liberals can’t dismantle it, piece by piece, like they did with Reagan’s bill…and the way to achieve that is for conservatives to take a deep breath, know we are not going to get everything, but make sure the border is secured, welfare is reduced, U.S. citizens are safe…and allow a detailed lengthy pathway to legal residency with conditions.

And what do we do when the Fed. Government goes back on its word and doesnt give us Border Sec. you make it sound like we havent been down this road before.

deporting or eliminating the “entrenched” illegals, creates an affirmative action type of program.

What complete and otter BS.

The less skilled, or less incentivised, now get to have a job because we remove the better workers…most who do pay taxes, buy groceries, buy autos, buy homes…

well, then we better not have a welfare to work program because that would be an affirmative action program too.

Here’s an idea, why not become better employees than the “illegals” and they will hire you instead of the illegals…but then you would have to actually go to work.

right and all of those closed shops in arizona that my parents encountered would suddenly go away.

A better approach would be for people and groups concerned about illegal immigration (as I am) to reach out to him and try to work with him to get a policy we all can live with. JMHO . . .

KickandSwimMom on January 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Exactly…like Reagan did.

The problem is that the “conservatives” will attack Rubio, rather than help him draft a better law…and than he begins battling two fronts, and eventually has to choose a “partner”, is it the ones who completely deny him, or the ones that will work with him…

A law has to be made, and be made with a solid foundation so the liberals can’t dismantle it, piece by piece, like they did with Reagan’s bill…and the way to achieve that is for conservatives to take a deep breath, know we are not going to get everything, but make sure the border is secured, welfare is reduced, U.S. citizens are safe…and allow a detailed lengthy pathway to legal residency with conditions.

It is exactly why you enforce work requirements, don’t give welfare benefits to anyone not able to show they’re here legally, etc. & they will deport themselves.
I agree, it’s unrealistic to try & physically deport everyone.
You simply take away the incentive they have for coming here & they will go home.
Hopefully to make their own country a place worth living in.

Badger40 on January 18, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Rubio addresses that…anyone that has owned or ran a manufacturing business, regardless of the pay, knows who are the best and most dedicated employees…the fact is, deporting or eliminating the “entrenched” illegals, creates an affirmative action type of program.

The less skilled, or less incentivised, now get to have a job because we remove the better workers…most who do pay taxes, buy groceries, buy autos, buy homes…

Here’s an idea, why not become better employees than the “illegals” and they will hire you instead of the illegals…but then you would have to actually go to work.

His plan would give a temporary “nonimmigrant visa” to illegal immigrants, which would allow them to remain and work in the United States. They would have to wait a “significant but reasonable” period of time before they could apply to become legal permanent residents, going to the back of the line in the existing system. Once they became residents, they could go on like other legal immigrants to naturalize as citizens.

“There are millions of people who have applied to enter this country legally,” Mr. Rubio said. “Our message to them cannot be: you should have come illegally because it’s faster and cheaper.”

He acknowledged that major pieces of his plan remain to be worked out. According to current federal visa rosters, most Mexican-born immigrants applying to become permanent residents now face a wait of at least 17 years to receive their document — known as a green card — even if they followed the rules and were approved. Mr. Rubio’s proposal could add seven million more Mexican immigrants to those backlogs. The path to citizenship he proposes for illegal immigrants could be several decades long.

“I don’t have a solution for that question right now,” Mr. Rubio said. He said he would seek to relieve backlogs by speeding up green cards for immigrants already in the legal line, not by creating special pathways for illegal immigrants.

This sounds like a reasonable starting point to me regarding the 12+ million illegals already here. He also has stated that illegals would be ineligible for public welfare services during this “limbo” phase. Further, Rubio has stressed that border security will have to come FIRST before we consider other immigration issues.

As I said in a thread yesterday, I would like to hear his thoughts on birthright citizenship because if you give green cards or “nonimmigrant” visas to illegals and they then have children here then they have gotten their foot in the door by virtue of their child and have opened the door for public welfare services. All in all, I would like to hear more from Rubio and feel that at this point it is counter-productive to slam him. A better approach would be for people and groups concerned about illegal immigration (as I am) to reach out to him and try to work with him to get a policy we all can live with. JMHO . . .