Should American Catholics cheer for old Notre Dame?
In 1988, the last time Notre Dame won a national championship, its midseason matchup against the top-ranked Miami Hurricanes — a team that included players fond of hip-hop, big chains and military fatigues — was billed as “Catholics vs. Convicts” in some Fighting Irish quarters. The moment, with more than a whiff of elitism to it, signaled the erosion of the old Notre Dame working-class ethos that Rabbi Elsant so admired.
That perception has solidified in the years since, with the realization that some gifted players never will attract Notre Dame’s interest, beginning with academically underachieving high school stars whom other universities are only too happy to grab — the football giants in the Southeastern Conference, including Alabama, among them. In big-game trash-talking before Monday’s championship contest, some Irish fans’ T-shirts mock the perceived socioeconomic station of their Southern, state-school opponent. “Catholics vs. Convicts” has given way to “Golden Domers vs. Mobile Homers” and “Catholics vs. Cousins.”
But nowadays it is the SEC that is seen as the conference where talented athletes of nearly any background can play ball and get an education. It enjoys the populist appeal long gone from Notre Dame, whose “smart” teams over the past two decades often have been dismissed as slow, less athletic, mediocre.
In its defense, the university can point to the graduation rate of its football players — it’s the highest among the big teams in the nation, and this is the first time that the leader in graduation is also tops in the polls — as evidence that the school has its priorities in order. This seems to be Notre Dame’s lasting, self-imposed role in sports: the earnest ethicist, the dogged standard-maker, the nag — much like the church felt to me in my youth.









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The young men on the Notre Dame team appeal to me as true student athletes, so I root for them over the young men waiting out their required 3 years between high school and the NFL.
myrenovations on January 6, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Orléans, Beaugency,
Notre Dame de Cléry,
Vendôme, Vendôme !
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 6, 2013 at 9:56 PM
The Cardinals are smart enough to wear crimson.
viking01 on January 6, 2013 at 9:57 PM
No .
Lucano on January 6, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Root against the SEC under any circumstance.
Ted Torgerson on January 6, 2013 at 10:07 PM
Of course not. They (and everyone else) should cheer for the Oregon Ducks.
Obviously.
Scribbler on January 6, 2013 at 10:08 PM
Should Catholics root for Notre Dame? No. But not for any reason detailed here. Catholics should not cheer for Notre Dame because Notre Dame ceased being recognizably Catholic a long time ago, and in fact teaches many things that are directly contrary to Church doctrine. They are no more a Catholic school than UCLA is.
Shump on January 6, 2013 at 10:19 PM
How exactly did I use a leftist strawman? My basic argument is that a lesbian couple is too depraved to be allowed to raise a child. I doubt that sentiment would find agreement among many leftists.
Shump on January 6, 2013 at 10:21 PM
Oops. That last message went to the wrong thread. Sorry about that, Chief.
Shump on January 6, 2013 at 10:24 PM
I wish there was a way for both of them to lose but I’m leaning on an ND win.
Growing up as a teenager in the 90s, all the bandwagon ND fans couldn’t point out Indiana on a map much less South Bend. Some couldn’t figure out since I’m Catholic, I am supposed to support Notre Dame. Boston College is a Catholic school too, big deal.
Being an LSU fan, I hate Bama. They have the most obnoxious fanbase in the SEC and half the titles they claim are pretty dubious. That and I would love to see Saban embarrassed on national television. Again. Remember the 2009 Sugar Bowl?
Hell with SEC solidarity, I hope Bama loses. Not just a loss but a soul crushing loss that puts them in the wilderness for a while.
Lay-Z on January 6, 2013 at 10:24 PM
Notre Dame is the root of all evil. Talk about a creepy Stepford school. Discuss.
Illinidiva on January 6, 2013 at 10:29 PM
My late father romanticized the Irish as much as anybody – he almost married a girl named Sadie Cunningham and once told me he’d seriously considered changing his name to Halloran – but I don’t recall his caring all that much about Notre Dame. But I doubt the Kennedys did either.
Seth Halpern on January 6, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Yikes. It sounds like someone missed their anger management class!
I’ll bet Clemson fans already feel safer to be back home.
viking01 on January 6, 2013 at 10:30 PM
Win one for the Gipper, Knute!
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 6, 2013 at 10:31 PM
Considering ND invited the most pro death president to speak …HELL NO.
CW on January 6, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Rumor has it the excessively sparkly helmets hide the horns.
/s
viking01 on January 6, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Does it matter? They are going to get crushed.
This Catholic has two words to say: ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
athenanyc on January 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM
We have to. It’s in the contract at confirmation.
thebrokenrattle on January 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM
I’m with Shump, normal-seeming Notre Dame niece notwithstanding.
obladioblada on January 6, 2013 at 10:43 PM
I’m going back to Indiana
Back to where I started from
Going back to Indiana
Indiana here I come!
~Jackson 5
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 6, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Yep… They actually do. This is surprising??
In reality, imagine a school populated by the rich high school bully types and Sandra Fluke trust fund brats who need “free government stuff”… It’s called Notre Dame. Not a fan of Alabama because I’m not a fan of the South, but it would be cool if the school populated by normal kids with student loans and without SAT tutors.
Illinidiva on January 6, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Won this one.. (Posted too soon).
Illinidiva on January 6, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Yeah, I suspect they worship football more than anything else. There are troubling accusations of the school and team covering up sexual assaults by players. I know this sort of thing happens at other schools, but I’d like to think they would handle things differently at a religiously-affiliated university. Probably naivety on my part.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/12/04/why-i-wont-be-cheering-for-old-notre-dame/
cam2 on January 6, 2013 at 10:58 PM
I don’t anymore. Since it covered the Crucifix and images of Mary to accommodate Obama.
Notre Dame is CINO. Catholic In Name Only, like Sandra Fluke University, formerly known as Georgetown.
Sad. I went to a very conservative Catholic High School, in a very conservative diocese. One that was so conservative that we were untouched by the priest scandal because we wouldn’t tolerate gay pedophiles. I applied to and was accepted to Notre Dame but couldn’t afford it. I wanted to go there so bad. Now I’m glad I didn’t.\
wildcat72 on January 6, 2013 at 11:04 PM
Hoosier Daddy?
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 6, 2013 at 11:05 PM
The first paragraph of the article is somewhat misleading because when Alabama trounced the Miami Hurricanes in 1992 for Bama’s umpteenth national championship the Miami Hurricanes team of that year had had an endless slew of arrests, serious conduct problems, thuggish behavior when visiting the French Quarter and a whole lotta bad attitude and trash talking which did not endear them to the New Orleans Sugar Bowl host city and many if not most sportswriters some of whom likely had concerns for their safety around that team. So Notre Dame’s view of the Hurricanes program a few years earlier was close to the mark. As the popular Green Bay Packers and Bama ’92 alumnus and game standout (safety) George Teague famously remarked: “Their mouths wrote a check they couldn’t cash.”
I’ll bet New Orleans Airport gave the 1992 Hurricanes team plane an express clearance for immediate departure.
viking01 on January 6, 2013 at 11:12 PM
Thanks for that reminder. I forgot about those awful allegations. Unfortunately, all big time football programs are like that (See Penn State!!), but Notre Dame sets itself up as a good Catholic football program that prides morals and academics… I hate hypocrisy.
Illinidiva on January 6, 2013 at 11:23 PM
Meh. Losers make excuses, sometimes even prospectively, apparently. Notre Dame is a private, non-conference school, they can waive – and no doubt have waived – their “standards” whenever necessary to get a promising athlete on campus.
Knott Buyinit on January 6, 2013 at 11:34 PM
Go ND!
major dad on January 6, 2013 at 11:40 PM
Notre Dame also has that seldom mentioned advantage as a non-conference team of never having to worry about a post season loss from a conference championship game before the bowl games even start. A luxury recent national champions Alabama, LSU and Auburn learned to live without when the SEC Championship match began now many years ago.
viking01 on January 6, 2013 at 11:50 PM
I learned the ND fight song in Catholic school as a kid! Of course I’ll root for them.
PattyJ on January 7, 2013 at 12:06 AM
If they don’t, who will?
Roll tide.
Lawdawg86 on January 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM
Gasp!
I like Notre Dame.
Any of you Catholics here who don’t like them should say 3 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers.
Any any of you pagans out there who don’t like them should….I dunno….roll around and speak in tongues or whatever you do.
Go Irish!!!
Beat Bama’s ass.
justltl on January 7, 2013 at 12:09 AM
justltl on January 7, 2013 at 12:12 AM
some of us Trojans might. Just sayin.
Fighton03 on January 7, 2013 at 12:20 AM
If Bama changed their name to O-Bama, then I would have no choice but to cheer for No-tree Dahhhhm.
JimLennon on January 7, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Besides, I’m a Purdue grad, so Indiana, Ball State, Notre Dame, Valparaiso, and Butler can all go jump in a lake.
Roll tide.
“Fight on, fight on, fight on, men. Remember the Rose Bowl,
we’ll win then’cause we’ll never go again.”JimLennon on January 7, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Wrong Fight On. Sam Cunningham taught them what it really means.
“Fight On….for old SC, our Men Fight On to victory…..”
Fighton03 on January 7, 2013 at 12:44 AM
I don’t think that it’s been mentioned: Ronald Reagan played George Gipp in the movie Knute Rockne All American (1940), starring Pat O’Brien as Knute Rockne.
I’ll go with ND.
BuckeyeSam on January 7, 2013 at 4:13 AM
Really? Nobody (of a certain age) would “get it” without Pres. Reagan’s name??
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 7, 2013 at 5:13 AM
If you grow up Catholic, it’s an either-or proposition. I grew up hating ND, but in this case I’ll make an exception because we need to see an end to SEC hegemony.
Mr. D on January 7, 2013 at 6:18 AM
Roll Tide.
Washington Nearsider on January 7, 2013 at 7:50 AM