Report: White House weighing broader-than-expected gun-control push
The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.
A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.
To sell such changes, the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses. White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda…
In addition to potential legislative proposals, Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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It’ll be the Save America’s Children Act. You wouldn’t vote against the children…WOULD YOU?!
Rational Thought on January 5, 2013 at 8:32 PM
If they cared about the children….
‘Toon of the Day: Obama’s “Protection” Racket
Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 8:33 PM
Will gun owners be required to get a tattoo…?
d1carter on January 5, 2013 at 8:34 PM
I suspect that somewhere in Obamacare, the law Pelosi said we had to pass to find out what’s in it, is a provision that fines you for not answering truthfully.
Wethal on January 5, 2013 at 8:34 PM
Or have a red badge sewn onto their clothing.
ThePrez on January 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM
Then, the Republican’s should preempt them and introduce the new Save America’s Children Act blocking a rise in the debt limit without “fundamental transformation” of America’s entitlement programmes, reformation of government’s scope and bureaucracy, a balanced budget amendment, and a new amendment that requires 25% of all revenues to go toward debt reduction until the debt is retired.
Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM
It’s Not Fascism When We Do It!
Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM
One thing that has always comforted me about the federal government is their eternal incompetence. They’d likely screw something like that up like nobody’s business. Which would just accelerate the backlash.
Not to mention, the more they monitor the less useful it is. Too much data hides what you’re looking for, at least until AI becomes capable of managing advanced, complex data sets like that. Which barring some sort of major advancement like quantum computing is unlikely in the near future.
Kronos on January 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Molon Labe!
I will never turn in my weapons or register myself as a gun owner.
If this gun grab doesn’t wake more people up to the truth about the Left, i.e. that they are tyrants, then nothing will.
If we can’t defeat them politically now, then we my be forced, by them, to defeat them physically later.
Charlemagne on January 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM
It won’t pass but next time it will be see we told you you could have saved them
Guilt trip
CW20 on January 5, 2013 at 8:43 PM
No, but here’s how the “registering” will work: Most folks who are longtime gun owners are simply NOT going to go down to any government office to register their legally purchased guns (and pay what will certainly be the attendant — and exorbitant — “registration fees”), so when they use those guns, say to shoot a violent intruder, the GUN OWNER will be prosecuted.
And can you just IMAGINE the fascist glee with which those DNR rent-a-cops will be stopping folks dragging a deer out of the woods — not to check for a huntin’ license (to use Joanna Kerry’s terminology), but to check for long gun registration‚ and then CONFISCATE, CONFISCATE, CONFISCATE! Think you’ll ever get your gun back? Nope.
Oh, and Chief Justice John Roberts? He’ll be fine and dandy with it all.
Rational Thought on January 5, 2013 at 8:43 PM
I still believe the best National Database is one for “journalists”…we need to keep up with these people..!
d1carter on January 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM
There are a lot of rough men in this country that will fight for their guns…and I don’t mean by voting or talking about it.
d1carter on January 5, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Count me as one.
Charlemagne on January 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Here we go again.
The “Door in The Face” technique.
Stop.Falling.For.It.
Mimzey on January 5, 2013 at 8:54 PM
That is indeed how it will be done. Or at least one form of implementation.
katy on January 5, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Enemies Foreign and Domestic…time to read it again.
d1carter on January 5, 2013 at 8:59 PM
Progressives use terms like Broad and Sweeping change. The American people freak out and push back.
Then the progressives settle for a piece of the original idea and the right go along thinking it’s not infringing on anyone’s rights.
After more than 7 decades of this technique,and little left but a facade of liberty remaining, you’d think people would catch on….
katy on January 5, 2013 at 9:00 PM
We are legion.
Harbingeing on January 5, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Jeanine Pirro on FNC now. Dynamite.
petefrt on January 5, 2013 at 9:07 PM
And those men and women are good and decent people who just happen to be able to amp it up and get rough if need be. I call it self preservation—-something sorely lacking in DC repuds.
arnold ziffel on January 5, 2013 at 9:10 PM
What matters most now is we must make sure the GOP house sticks to their guns (literally and figuratively). If you have a GOP rep in your district make sure they know they must stand hard for our rights. This is really the case if you see them go wobbly or grow weak. The same goes for democrats in conservative districts in the house and those Dem senators that come from states that support gun rights.
If Obama tries to go outside of congress on any of this…it is civil disobedience time. We need to rally around each other and around the NRA, even if you are not a fan of them all the time. We can’t just defend our rights by being a bunch of individuals marching to our own drummer. That is fine in normal circumstances but these are not normal circumstances and it is clear the progressive left are getting aggressive to the point of insanity.
Hopefully this is the point the Obama train at last over reaches politically, but I fear Obama and progressives may not care and will push ahead anyway. This country is so divided regionally now it is scary and blue state lunatics are convinced they can win outside of our system of government. If Obama does push forward outside of congress god help this country for it will be ugly.
William Eaton on January 5, 2013 at 9:11 PM
Heller is the law of the land. You want to strip 2nd amendment rights? Amend the constitution.
Good luck.
tom daschle concerned on January 5, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Told you he would overreach. He just can’t help it.
tom on January 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM
I’ve been using Greece as kind of a guide as to what to expect moving forward as our own country collapses. Given that Greece hasn’t revolted, any similar action in our own country is a decade or more off.
Revolt is usually preceeded by some sign of weakness in the regime. The Soviet regime fell when it became economically and militarily weak and due to Gorbachev trying to liberalize and open up the country.
Right now Obama is moving in the OPPOSITE direction. He is getting stronger and stronger and his opposition is becoming weaker and weaker. There isn’t going to be any revolt from the right. Even if he issues an EO outright confiscating guns, no one is going to do anything – would you put your family and children and comfortable life at risk of physical harm for your right to bear arms? I bet very few will.
If there is a revolt against the regime, it will come from the welfare-dependent classes who are completely reliant on the Federal Government and aren’t afraid to use violence to get what they want. This will happen if the welfare checks stop coming and EBT cards stop working.
You won’t see revolt before.
Doomberg on January 5, 2013 at 9:38 PM
Meanwhile what is the status on the mass killer Major Hassan? or Fast and Furious?
This one strikes me as particularly stupid. What are the authorities going to do to Adam Lanza under this guideline?
Schools are soft targets for terroristic threats. Remember what happened in Beslan? It would be far better to have responsible gun-owning staff in schools to stop mayhem before the authorities can arrive on the scene.
Emotionalism is guiding this push toward draconian measures.
The murder rates appear to be statistically higher in areas where weapons are in the hands of gangs and criminals. Those elements are already not complying with the law, and the powers-that-be seem to be ignoring a problem that is in their power to lessen with existing laws.
onlineanalyst on January 5, 2013 at 9:40 PM
Walmart or any other retailer who cooperates with this needs to feel the wrath.
I have a bad feeling about all of this. Hopefully it will backfire on them as it always has. But since O was reelected I’ve lost confidence in the citizens. Contact your legislators and give money to the gun rights orgs. Never surrender.
The American rev0 lootion was touched off by attempted powder confiscation. The Texas rev0 looshun was touched off by attempted cannon confiscation. I’m not saying that will happen now, but I am saying that the people will be pushed to the limits of our tolerance by this meddling. Just leave us the EFF alone.
Come and take it.
juliesa on January 5, 2013 at 9:42 PM
Confiscation is going to be close and personal.
Mosberg 500 12 gauge Home Defender with a bandolier of that high-capacity, 3″ magnum 00 Buck ammunition.
Just the typical bird hunting rig…
Yoop on January 5, 2013 at 9:43 PM
Heller won’t be touched or threatened.
It’s not about rights. It’s about information. They want a database. Their tactic is intimidation and fear. They know confiscation is out of the question. But fear of ever having to use it and not being registered. Fear of not “being legal” is enough to drive some to turn them in. A database is enough for many to go wobbly. Piece by piece…tactic by tactic. Fear and intimidation. It’s how tyrants work.
katy on January 5, 2013 at 9:48 PM
Do you live in a big city?
Yoop on January 5, 2013 at 9:49 PM
Republicans ought to get out there first with “do something” gun legislation:
– Tie related state funding assistance to the establishment of shall issue laws,
– Tie related municipal funding to shall issue laws,
– Tie education funding to dedicated spending on firearm education, training, possession and right to carry for defensive purposes along with guidance on applying for CCW permits,
– A new law which can be called No School Left Defenseless Act, tying school funding to the satisfactory merging of armed security into their school safety programs and protocols,
– A new law codifying penalties for government employees who deny citizens their 2nd amendment rights, with a special emphasis on penalties for conspiracy.
Dusty on January 5, 2013 at 9:49 PM
Hard times ahead.
And…
petefrt on January 5, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Anyone read the story of the Georgia mom that just shot 6 rounds into a home intruder who was still alive when she and her kids escaped? Imagine if there had been more than one intruder. She and her kids could be dead. These people make me SICK!
Firefly_76 on January 5, 2013 at 9:52 PM
+100
petefrt on January 5, 2013 at 9:54 PM
Doesn’t matter what you say bcs they’ll ask your kids without you being in the room.
I’ve had the personal experience of not being allowed in a room (not medical) where my child was & they grilled her for answers of things not related to the topic at hand.
I bet very few will.
If there is a revolt against the regime, it will come from the welfare-dependent classes who are completely reliant on the Federal Government and aren’t afraid to use violence to get what they want. This will happen if the welfare checks stop coming and EBT cards stop working.
You won’t see revolt before.
Doomberg on January 5, 2013 at 9:38 PM
Badger40 on January 5, 2013 at 9:56 PM
Registration is a declaration of war against the citizen. The day they force registration is the day they go over “the line.”
tom daschle concerned on January 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM
Excellent! From your keyboard to Speaker Boner’s eyes.
petefrt on January 5, 2013 at 9:58 PM
Your comments caught my attention some time ago. I’ve been a fan since. You are one brave soul. God bless you and thank you for your service.
petefrt on January 5, 2013 at 10:02 PM
What will you do to defend them from the inevitable coercion that will have to face? It’s easy to say screw them if they wobble or fold, but they will always be able to acquiesce to government pressure and adapt yours than the other way around.
And when it comes to thoughts revenge, the public has a much shorter memory, on average, than politicians and government bureaucrats.
Dusty on January 5, 2013 at 10:03 PM
Not true. Obama is president of a divided country and his actions are only making it worse. It is divided regionally as well so there areas were only one side is in total control. That is not a sign of power. Yes Obama has a slim majority of people in this country willing to vote for him, but not enough to make a big difference if a national meltdown took place.
Revolutions start not from the lower classes, but from the middle class. The American Revolution was started by a bunch of property owners with family and money. You don’t think George Washington or John Adams were living well by 18th century standards? This is why Chinese government treads lightly when the upper middle class in China gets upset with something, but just crushes any decent from the lower classes. The Chinese government knows the greatest danger is ticking off the middle class, because they are smart enough that they actually might organize and win a revolution.
William Eaton on January 5, 2013 at 10:04 PM
The frog and the scorpion.
Jaibones on January 5, 2013 at 10:06 PM
I’m flattered. But you are not talking about me having served in the military, are you?
Bcs I have not. Both my parents & all sets of grandparents & such have.
I just try & speak out & it has cost me a job or two in the process.
And nothing was ever achieved other than me being able to tell the silent ones “I told you so” later on.
Badger40 on January 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Actually now that I think of it, you might have me confused with Badgerhawk
Badger40 on January 5, 2013 at 10:15 PM
Southern by choice22 on January 5, 2013 at 10:37 PM
Nope, not confued on that one.
I thought, just after I posted, that I should clear that up, but decided to wait to see is there was any response.
No confusion here. I remember you because I identify with you, as I did time in the public school system, as a associate superintendent in major city school system some years ago.
You’re in a hostile environment, even where you live. While I would never want to diminish the service of our troops, teachers like you do courageous service too.
petefrt on January 5, 2013 at 10:52 PM
Doesn’t matter. 0bama don’t need no steenking senate to fulfill his dream of “fundamental” change. All he needs is executive orders.
UltimateBob on January 5, 2013 at 10:54 PM
I was talking about Russian during the time of the Tsar.
Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 11:28 PM
Russia
Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 11:28 PM
Greece hasn’t revolted? Yes, it has. All that is standing a between a tenuous peace and revolution in Greece is Germany. If Germany ever turns off the spigot, there will be a revolution in Greece. People are abandoning their own children because they cannot feed them and aspirin is being rationed. That’s how bad it is.
Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 11:33 PM
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