@gwelf You’re conveniently ignoring the other 50% of folks who have a differing political ideology. You’ll never get 100% of what you want. 50% is good, 60% is excellent. Thats how things roll.

tommy71 on January 3, 2013 at 11:02 AM

If I use my starting list of demands I would be happy to get 60 percent. The problem is the GOP has a very small list to start with. The GOP leadership has no desire to cut the size of government.

if history is any guide, the smart money is still on lawmakers finding some way to cut a last-minute deal to avert — or more likely defer — a crisis.

Polite way to frame the concept of being framed

The deal only pushes the automatic spending cuts up two months, conveniently about the time we hit the new fake debt ceiling, which had to be faked after we hit the last fake debt ceiling

This will generate the new crisis, and pols will cry crocodile tears and pass another temporary patch, which has become the new way to feed pork to the pigs

The game was lost the first year Obama got away without any budget. The Senate plays good cop bad cop with Obama, and pretends it cannot accept Obama’s ‘dream budget’ while obama pretends he cannot sign anything else from his own boys. They run on crisis, and rely on the greed of all, including GOP porkers, who will step up when it is their turn to collect

Meanwhile, the Republic is not run as Constitutionally designated, because only Congress can stop internal corruption, and the voters of the porker colonies voted to continue the looting

@gwelf You’re conveniently ignoring the other 50% of folks who have a differing political ideology. You’ll never get 100% of what you want. 50% is good, 60% is excellent. Thats how things roll.

tommy71 on January 3, 2013 at 11:02 AM

I’m not ignoring it. I’m saying that 60% isn’t good enough to solve our problems. I’d rather the GOP actually shoot for fixing our problems even if the chances are slim instead of being party to a half-baked “fix” that guarantees a collapse but maybe kicks the can down the road a little bit further.

Pushing the “rich aren’t paying their fare share” is the primary way liberals have of perpetuating the lies that we have a revenue problem and not a spending problem and that enough revenue can be extracted from the “rich” to pay for it all.

gwelf

Its actually more just human nature. Everyone knows revenue needs to be part of the solution. But human nature says you don’t want to give up anything so of course its better to make someone else give it up. Now with spending cuts it will be about poor grandma. Course since granma’s mooching will mean I’ll less than 75% of “what I paid in for all these years” (when in reality I’ve been paying for some other grandma’s lifestyle), screw grandma.

@gryphon No, the GOP won’t cave. You’ll have a laundry list of what the GOP wants. We’ll probably get 60% of it. Yeah, but many here will claim that since we didn’t get 100% of what we want, the GOP caved. Nope, the GOP has considerable leverage here.

tommy71 on January 3, 2013 at 10:46 AM

If the GOP gets 60% of what it wants the problem still won’t be solved. Most spending cuts will not be real spending cuts and that other 40% will include more tax increases. Our national finances are on a decidedly grim course and half-hearted fixes wont do it.

Pffft. I’m included in that pool of “rich” though my lifestyle wouldn’t make anyone believe I’m rolling in cash.

Tell you what ISN’T going to happen, I’m not going to get any “richer” from this point on. My businesses will stay static, I won’t add so much as a part-time teenager sweeping my floors, and any hope the moochers have of bleeding any more from me is gone.

Bishop on January 3, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I read the other day that the top 1% pays as much as the bottom 95% in taxes. Mark Steyn has also recently remarked that our tax system is even more progressive than European socialist basket cases.

Pushing the “rich aren’t paying their fare share” is the primary way liberals have of perpetuating the lies that we have a revenue problem and not a spending problem and that enough revenue can be extracted from the “rich” to pay for it all.