Do we need more elite high schools?
Slightly more than half the schools and two-thirds of the students are in large cities, with a skewing toward the Northeast that modifies the national averages. “In New York, Chicago, Boston and Philadelphia, black and Hispanic students are underrepresented . . . while white and Asian students are significantly overrepresented,” write Finn and Hockett. These high schools may act “as a kind of refuge from . . . less desirable schools” for many white and Asian students.
Academically, the select schools have two great advantages. First, they can create a climate that favors success. Peer pressure encourages it. Students aren’t disparaged for doing well in class. Second, these schools can attract superior teachers. Finn and Hockett found that 11 percent of teachers have doctorate degrees, while only 2 percent in all high schools do, and 66 percent have master’s degrees, while 46 percent overall do. About a quarter of the teachers have backgrounds in business, government, technology or the military.
The study’s great gap involves outcomes. Finn and Hockett couldn’t find or assemble data on how well these students do and whether they might have done as well in regular high schools. Though strong, the case for more select high schools is not a slam-dunk. As Finn and Hockett note, creating more such schools will spawn opposition and objections. Principals, teachers and PTAs of existing schools “will be loath to lose able pupils and education-minded parents.” Their loss will lessen pressure to “offer more advanced courses” at existing schools.









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We need more elite schools, period. We need schools where it is actually unpopular to be a potty-mouthed, pint-sized gangster with whom ‘book learning’ is an absolute waste.
MelonCollie on December 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Not without the voucher programs. Teachers and liberals hate the fact that some people actually care about the kids educations… its just not a rich person thing.
watertown on December 28, 2012 at 6:57 PM
Actually, we need more elite students! Unfortunately, that means more elite parents (catch 22).
OldEnglish on December 28, 2012 at 6:57 PM
They are out there… but drowned out by the noise which is the inner city cesspools.
Of course, the LIB people here dont care as long as not one more red cent is spent on ANYTHING.
watertown on December 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM
Not a new kerfuffle — one of the first things the Carter Administration tried to do with their new Department of Education in 1977 was to kill off the academic high schools in New York City. They only failed because Albert Shanker, the head of the city’s United Federation of Teachers, was a graduate of one of those schools, Stuyvesant, and threatened to bring the wrath of the union down on the Democrats if Carter and his Ed Secretary Joe Calafano went ahead with the plan.
The fun part here is if the Obama people try to do the same thing, they’ll have to have David Axelrod and Eric Holder explain why they shouldn’t be in the Albert Shanker role from ’77 and fight changing the schools they benefited from (of course, on the other hand, if you have an elite academic high school system that produces a David Axelrod, Eric Holder or even a Dick Morris, that’s kind of more of a minus than a plus. But there are other grads of those schools that actually have been a positive on society, so the current system is still worth maintaining).
jon1979 on December 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM
Sadly, this is very common in a lot of poor schools. When kids do well their peers punish them for it. Receiving a good grade in any subject is reason for derision.
HotAirian on December 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM
Fortunately, I have avoided inner cities for many years, so I am ignorant of their depths.
As to not spending more money, I would prefer that the same amount of spending be transferred to where it would actually do some good. Throwing good money after bad is just a total waste.
OldEnglish on December 28, 2012 at 7:07 PM
Yep you are right. Local for an example we have the Milwuakee Public school system. Talk about a complete utter failure of a school system. THe left think just because its failing badly that more money fixes the problem and that is not really the case. You need to give the families the opportunity to GTFO of the bad schools. Hence the reason why you need school choice or vouchers… whatever you want to come up with. You can be poor and still have a very smart kid… but your economic situation might not allow you to send you kid to the best schools… as it stands right now high poverty areas= poor education. Its an endless cycle.
watertown on December 28, 2012 at 7:15 PM
And, it’s not just an American problem, so I guess there is an agenda.
OldEnglish on December 28, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Well, we can have sanctuaries from the, um, sanctuaries, now can we.
Dusty on December 28, 2012 at 7:32 PM
Well, we can‘t have
Dusty on December 28, 2012 at 7:33 PM
Privatize the whole damn thing.
CurtZHP on December 28, 2012 at 7:36 PM
Out of curiosity: When was the last time you were in a poor school?
alwaysfiredup on December 28, 2012 at 7:52 PM
Do we really need schools?
Really, why do we continue this 13th century concept in the 21st century?
ajacksonian on December 28, 2012 at 8:20 PM
davidk on December 28, 2012 at 9:18 PM
I would suggest that competant high schools in general would be a better idea…
affenhauer on December 28, 2012 at 9:36 PM
As long as we practice such arcane concepts as ‘reading’ and ‘writing’, we will always need ‘schools’.
MelonCollie on December 28, 2012 at 9:43 PM