The libertarian impulse on gun control (and most everything else)
I’m writing not only to highlight our dialogue, but to mention something that didn’t make it in. At one point, in a side conversation, I told Ta-Nehisi that my feelings about gun ownership actually track with my feelings on a range of social and political issues. This is what I wrote to Ta-Nehisi after he said he would rather not own a gun for self-protection: “You don’t want a gun to defend yourself, fine. That’s your right. But denying someone else that right — someone who is screened and vetted and trained and feels that he needs a gun to defend himself or his home — is that right?”
I went on to write that my feeling about gun-ownership tracked with my feelings about pot-smoking (people should do it if they want to do it and not be punished for it); gay marriage (pro); and abortion (I don’t like it, but I’m not going to tell a woman what to do with her body). I suppose my loathing for privacy-invading airport security procedures tracks with these beliefs. On guns, I believe that that people who are screened and vetted should be allowed to participate in their own defense. I think people should be treated like adults, and be allowed, within reason, to make their choices about who they want to be with, how they want to organize their lives, what they ingest and how they protect themselves.









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Is this the guy who was calling the NRA a horrible, horrible organization?
ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Way to make your entire article a big steaming pile of mush, Jeffrey. That’s always the problem: who defines what is reasonable?
John the Libertarian on December 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM
You can tell though that they’re feeling the backlash, and that the demonize-the-NRA tactics didn’t work. It’s funny.
ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 3:59 PM
It’s a lot like global warming: Liberals have their theories about how gun control laws solve the problems of violent crime. The results of their theory-based legislation when applied to reality never match the theory’s predictions, but the theory itself is never questioned. Anybody else who questions the theory is labeled an extremists or someone bought off by the industry, the findings of their research or the merit of their proposals aren’t worth considering. The ‘science’ is settled.
Socratease on December 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Says the guy who thinks David Gregory, and presumably others of whom he approves, are above the law.
novaculus on December 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM
On guns, I believe that that people who are screened and vetted…
And you don’t mention this, John? Who screens and who “vetts’ and what are the criteria for the screening and vett’ing? This is a weasley cop-out that allows you to drive an army of gun control regulations thru!
JFKY on December 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Well it could also be that Goldberg wanted to be cool and hip in his “exchange” with (black guy) Ta-Nehisi Coates. It’s like lib journalists will go gaga over a black church service but absolutely despise white evangelicals.
ddrintn on December 27, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Really libertarian and gun control should not be in the same sentence..
melle1228 on December 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM
From a commenter there
“If you ever meet two libertarians who agree on anything, you can be sure one of them has sold out.”
Schadenfreude on December 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM
pile of crap.
What is within reason? Who says you are vetted ? trained? this guy is a libertarin. He is a small l liberal.
unseen on December 27, 2012 at 4:17 PM
here’s my thought on gun control. You have the right to arm yourself.
unseen on December 27, 2012 at 4:19 PM
The feds via Feinstein and her new bill.
from her website:
I’m pretty sure transferee is not a real word.
This is for all firearms that her bill doesn’t outright ban. So there you have it. Federal registration of all firearms and your picture and finger print on file. A background check on top of the one already done and local certification that you are who you are. It pretty much usurps the state issued permits and authority.
Yup. That sure will stop spree shootings in the future.
Dr. Frank Enstine on December 27, 2012 at 4:51 PM
And this is the libertarian?
Robert_Paulson on December 27, 2012 at 4:54 PM
I agree with him on the abortion thing, except I don’t believe a woman has the ‘right’ to kill a baby.
What is his stand on bestiality? Pro? How does it hurt him?
GardenGnome on December 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM
So … is this Jeffrey Goldberg character saying that he thinks people need to be “screened and vetted and trained and feels that he needs XXXX” before they are allowed to smoke pot, get gay pretend married, or have abortions? I doubt it.
Aren’t people embarrassed to write such obviously ridiculous drivel like this? I guess Goldberg was never screened, vetted, or trained in proper logic and writing.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 27, 2012 at 5:09 PM
On every level it this libertarian wants government to sanction and condone things and force every one else to deal with the consequences.
Some libertarian he is. Sounds much more like a illiberal regressive Democrat to me.
astonerii on December 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM
Totally against letting anyone know what happens between him and another in the (bedroom) stall.
astonerii on December 27, 2012 at 5:21 PM
I am always disturbed by the (standard) libertarian take on abortion –
Uh yeah – don’t tell a woman what to do with her body, buy allow her to murder her unborn child by ripping its body apart – That makes a hell of a lot of sense. Abortion involves at least two people, and usually three – what in the libertarian view of the world allows for one person to arbitrarily decide to end the life of another when no crime or defense is involved and without input from all affected parties?
Just sayin’.
Pork-Chop on December 27, 2012 at 5:40 PM