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when criminals have proven hundreds of thousands of times over that gun regulations are irrelevant to them

Especially when that criminal is the government.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

Air Marshals, Armed Teachers, and Gun-Free Zones: Are You Consistent?

Most of the U.S. supports the air marshal program, fewer support “school marshals.” Is this rational?

Yet objections to the armed security presence have remained minimal. Airplanes in flight are likely never again to be “gun-free zones”; they will instead approach “gun-mandatory zones,” and you likely are pleased with this.

Schools fall under federal “gun-free zone” law. Far more Americans support gun-free schools than support gun-free flights; a segment of the U.S. population thus exists which supports undercover air marshals yet rejects undercover “school marshals.”

Leave aside the emotion: does logical reasoning present grounds for this divergence in opinion?

Even prior to 9/11, airplanes were certainly no soft target. Today, someone wishing to do harm to an airplane in flight must breach several layers of security to board with a weapon, and further, can be expected to face physical confrontation with other adult (or sufficiently large teenaged) passengers. The ratio of physically capable passengers to the helpless or infirm is generally large in all but the most unusual cases; four to one seems a reasonably conservative estimate.

Finally, the perpetrator must deal with that trained, armed marksman that most of America insists be there.

The death toll from 9/11 dwarfs that of all combined school mass shootings over the past couple decades. However, the frequency of school shootings dwarfs the frequency of attempted and successful incidents of in-air attacks. Even with the 18 hijackers of 9/11 included, the number of school shooting perpetrators is greater.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/air-marshals-armed-teachers-and-gun-free-zones-are-you-consistent/

As much as the Right argues that arming teachers and administrators would protect kids, enough teachers and administrators are appalled by the idea that it’s simply not going to happen outside the most culturally conservative regions.

I say let each side have their way.
We already know what the outcome will be.

The Moron Majority is going to criminalize or tax conservatism out of existence. Guns? Ban them. Vehicles actually capable of going place rural people often need to go? Regulate them out of existence. Churches? Tax them. Against gay marriage? Hate crime. etc.

forest on December 22, 2012 at 9:37 AM

It works. Just look at the spread of Islam in countries. It follows the same pathway.

It’s also called the “slippery slope” Its a very real threat and its why the small things must be opposed as much as the “big” things.

In other words, the gun-control argument is more about cultural values than it is about charts, graphs, and numbers. And those values are shaped less by public policy (or CNN or MSNBC talk show hosts) than by peers, parents, and personal experience. Welcome back to the culture wars.

Its time for the moderates to understand we have never left the culture war. The left has been waging it for decades at every oppurtunity. And they are winning.

We either engage in the culture war or we resign ourselves to the dustbin of history.

This cultural divide is one of the reasons why the Left keeps arguing — despite millions of words exchanged on the subject — that we haven’t had a true “dialogue” about gun control.

The left defines “dialogue” as shut up, listen to us, & do exactly what we say. No thanks.

But yeah, I’m sick of this lefty “we haven’t had a true dialogue” crapola. They use the same meme about the DP – another area they never shut up about.

For many of us, the entire notion of a disarmed society is unpalatable and represents a change in national character from a culture of self-reliant citizens to one of state-reliant subjects.

That’s why the left is pushing it, of course.

This cultural divide is one of the reasons why the Left keeps arguing — despite millions of words exchanged on the subject — that we haven’t had a true “dialogue” about gun control.

For the left, it’s not a “true dialogue” unless and until they win it.