The facts about mass shootings
First, the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades “displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings.” New York Times columnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobsen have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened. “Will we address mental-health and educational-privacy laws, which instill fear of legal liability for reporting potentially violent mentally ill people to law enforcement?” asks Professor Jacobsen. “I doubt it.”
Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. “Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’” says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. “Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage,” Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me last year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances — from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. — where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.
Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.











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Open carry and CCW should be the law of the land.
As Americans its who we are. And always has been.
eyesky on December 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM
Go ahead, make my day.
tommy71 on December 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM
I heard a lady on CNN talking in the same vein as this: We lack proper legislation to intervene when parents see a problem, doctors need to medicate before they go shoot up a place.In the past decades, legislation has made it more difficult for Americans to be placed in mental health facilities or drugged against their will, but we have gone way too far in that direction and need to swing back the other way.
Just what we need, more gun control and forced drugging of kids against their wishes and the parents. They’ll be even better slaves then.
levi on December 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM
Having small children – this horror really struck deep into my heart.
It will take me a while before I choose to comment on all the sidebar issues.
I wish some would just pause and pray – and resist the urge to “comment”
jake-the-goose on December 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM
Concur.
In my own opinion, we ought not to have any gun laws. Anyone of the age of majority should be permitted to purchase and carry any weapon they wish to. Let businesses and private citizens declare their own properties as “gun free zomes” if they so wish. That will permit us to know what stores and other areas to avoid, as well as allowing the criminals to know where the easy pickings are.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms belong on store shelves, and NOT as a government agency.
TKindred on December 17, 2012 at 8:27 AM
You’re right, jake. Sorry.
tommy71 on December 17, 2012 at 8:28 AM
Maybe that Canadian fascist interloper bayam can tell us why Mr. Fund is wrong, and then edumacate us on the finer points of semi-automatic kill machines.
NotCoach on December 17, 2012 at 8:30 AM
So when is it okay to comment? At what point do we actually have to start saying and doing stuff to make sure this doesn’t happen again?
gryphon202 on December 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM
And HIPAA laws make it a crime to tell mom and dad that their son stated he wanted to kill people unless the son signed a release.
JellyToast on December 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM
Does Fund think anyone cares about facts?
forest on December 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM
Here’s another fact to consider: the U.S. school massacre with the highest death toll did not even involve guns.
In Bath Township, Michigan, in 1927, a disgruntled taxpayer, angry that his local property taxes were rising, made and planted a series of bombs throughout a school in his district. The Bath school mass murders resulted in 45 dead, including 38 children.
Anyone who thinks that banning gun ownership is magically going to stop mass killings is just kidding themselves.
AZCoyote on December 17, 2012 at 8:45 AM
The only reason Loughner (the Tucson shooter) did not get shot himself was because bystanders were able to tackle him fairly quickly after he started shooting. In the mall where the shootings occurred, there is a drugstore across the parking lot from the Safeway. A customer in the drugstore, who was carrying a gun, heard the shooting and ran out of the store, prepared to use his gun to stop the gunman. By the time he reached the scene, the bystanders there already had Loughner pinned to the ground.
AZCoyote on December 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Surprise, as long as we continue to make non-reality based policy decisions we will continue to have bigger problems than we otherwise would. Take a look at Chicago and Detroit.
claudius on December 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM
Reality is far too hard for far too many people.
NotCoach on December 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM
The current and past leaders of the Democrat Party / The Left, in America operate with the liberal mental disorders we all know about, now that group has been in action long enough to have enabled comming mutiple generations of shooters like this operating freely without controls with ever growing lethal mental disorders.
They now do the same as always, these leaders of the liberal Democrats due to the same old mental disorders misdirect and blame guns. Never ever looking within, always with the blame game.
They may as well blame “birth” cause birth enables a human who may at some time in life own a gun,,,,, which if you look at their record on abortions, they are getting there, just give them some time.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM
Multiple people have brought up this one study by John Lott, but does anyone have an actual link to the study? Or a link to a place that may have a link to the study?
segasagez on December 17, 2012 at 9:47 AM
An anti-gun fanatic here in MA actually said on TV that if we were to eliminate all guns from the Earth that people would never have to fear being shot. That there would never be another gun murder again and that this would be a wonderful thing. Yes, she is that dumb.
Frank Enstine on December 17, 2012 at 9:48 AM
That’s a good and reasonable question – I think the answer is right away – get into it immediately.
I’m just numb.
jake-the-goose on December 17, 2012 at 9:48 AM
That is a stupid statement, as it does nothing to advance the conversation. Likewise, the oft-repeated statement that no one is ever murdered by a law-abiding gun owner is equally as stupid.
segasagez on December 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM
How about some facts on the mass shootings that Obama, Holder, and Ms Clinton via the use of the ATF, FBI, DEA, BP bosses caused in Mexico. Like the number of childen killed by the Fast and Furious gun running.
How about some facts on the gun running via Lybia, the Bengazie operation of Obama, the CIA, DIA, National Security operations.
Long boney fingers pointing at the freedoms the Constitution demands will never be a solution.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM
In the Kennedy years, the standard for commitment was established as “a danger to himself or others.” The asylumns were emptied and mass murders stopped being historic events and became weekly news stories. Because, of course, there’s no way to really know whether someone is violent until he actually DOES something violent.
The old standard for commitment was “incompetence” which basically meant being unable to care for one’s self, or unable to function in society. Returning to that would eliminate by far the vast majority of these “firearm-caused killing sprees,” and practically ALL of the homeless problem.
logis on December 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Truth.
NotCoach on December 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM