“In my old country, they told you what you need to do, what you have to do, what you cannot do,” she said. “This is why I left.”

Asked if she is a supporter of same-sex marriage, Ms. Goykhman said: “Yes, of course. We live in a free country.”

Is she one of those calling for “common sense gun control” today?

blink on December 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Either way, the movement’s most recent successes have been at the voting booth, so you can hardly complain!

cam2 on December 17, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Any state that wants to change their own laws is free to do so. But the problem with lawsuits on this issue is that people are attempting to invent a right that does not exist under our constitution. So yes, the former is certainly illegitimate.

What theological tenet of Christianity says that Christians must use earthly law to enforce Christian beliefs, and what theological tenet requires that they compel non-believers to behave in any particular way?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Who is compelling anyone to do or not do something? Other than SSM supporters, that is, forcing religious institutions to accept their union despite their religious tenets? You are lying about the issues. I’d like, for once, someone on the left to make an argument without heavy reliance on strawmen. I think it is impossible.

Define “petitioning”. There is a difference between political agitation and compulsory court rulings. The later destroys the democratic process and leaves us all at the mercy of a judge’s feelings on any particular issue.

NotCoach on December 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I think it encompasses both concepts. You can file a legal petition with a court or lobby your elected representatives for a change in the law. The latter is considered by some to be more “legitimate,” but judicial power to review leglislation has been accepted since the Supreme Court decided Marbury v. Madison in 1803. Either way, the movement’s most recent successes have been at the voting booth, so you can hardly complain!

Or will you, like most bigots, remain quiet about this issue because you only favor rights being given to groups that you like?

What theological tenet of Christianity says that Christians must use earthly law to enforce Christian beliefs?

ernesto on December 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Is the government involved in marriage or not? Simply by the government being involved in marriage of course Christians who follow Christian tenets closely will be opposed to the government sanctioning gay marriage. Just as any good Christian would be opposed to the government legalizing murder.

[A]nd what theological tenet requires that they compel non-believers to behave in any particular way?

Since when are gays compelled to act contrary to their own beliefs and desires? Gays can get married if they want. They have free will, which is one of the most important Christian tenets. The issue here is not stopping gays from getting married, but whether or not such marriages should be recognized legally in the same way that heterosexual marriages are.

NotCoach on December 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM

What theological tenet of Christianity says that Christians must use earthly law to enforce Christian beliefs, and what theological tenet requires that they compel non-believers to behave in any particular way?

No, gays are petitioning the government for a change in the law, which is their right under the First Amendment.

cam2 on December 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Define “petitioning”. There is a difference between political agitation and compulsory court rulings. The later destroys the democratic process and leaves us all at the mercy of a judge’s feelings on any particular issue.

No, gays are petitioning the government for a change in the law, which is their right under the First Amendment.

cam2 on December 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I call what they did in LA rioting. And what they did to Prop 8 and similar supporters intimidation. But, I guess they’re also petitioning for a change to the law.