How many people would have died on September 11th, 2001 if Islam and its practitioners were banned from entering this country?

Good Solid B-Plus on December 15, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Leftists can never tell you how Bush could have prevented the 9/11 attacks, because they know the attacks could have been prevented by evil things like warrantless wiretaps and (shudder) airport profiling.

In fact, had Chimpy prevented 9/11 by such means, they would have acted to impeach the War Criminal immediately.

Gun control laws and bans have the perverse effect of disarming the law-abiding and leaving only the lawbreakers armed, which — not so “unpredictably” nor “unsurprisingly” — leads to more, not less crime.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Sesqui, maybe all those deceased would be alive if we banned guns in this country. But answer me this: How many people would have died on September 11th, 2001 if Islam and its practitioners were banned from entering this country?

The only thing stopping us from making being a Muslim a crime is that pesky free exercise clause in the 1st Amendment, but we could amend that, just like we could amend the 2nd.

No one would have died on 9/11. No one would have died in the Ft. Hood shooting. The people from the Sikh Temple would still be alive because the ignoramus who committed that crime wouldn’t have confused Sikhs for Muslims (that’s what libs said the motive was, right?), because he’d know Islam is banned in this country.

cultural (the glorification of gun violence in society and the media).

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Thanks so much for admitting that your Democrats own that glorification of gun violence. After all, you folks control the mainstream media and the entertainment industry!

A+++++

jared loughner, james holmes and adam lanza were able to kill so many people because guns were readily available to them.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Loughner: Known schizophrenic BEFORE his rampage.

Holmes: Known schizophrenic BEFORE his rampage.

Lanza: Known to have serious psychological and developmental problems BEFORE his rampage.

Of course, the rights of 3 lunatics to get their freak on amongst us because their illnesses are just an “alternative lifestyle choice” trump the Second Amendment rights of 100 million law-abiding gun owners and the people the madmen killed.

Gotcha.

the points you’re raising are purely technical issues. if there was a general consensus that having less guns around would be a desirable development, we could obviously come up with an effective approach.

Says who? There’s a general consensus that having less poverty is a desirable development, but we can’t come up with an effective approach. There’s a general consensus that having less illegal drugs is a desirable development, but we can’t come up with an effective approach.

jared loughner, james holmes and adam lanza were able to kill so many people because guns were readily available to them. they also played out scenes they’d seen thousands of times on the screen, in situations where the shooter is often a hero even when dispensing with people indiscriminately. so this is both a technical issue (easy access to massive firepower) and cultural (the glorification of gun violence in society and the media).

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM

And yet guns are also ‘readily available’ to tens of millions of Americans who own them and never use them to commit a crime. You choose to undergo the absolute least effective, most liberty-restrictive, most asinine way of fixing the problem, instead of trying to target people at-risk for committing these crimes, be with with a gun, a knife or a bomb.

And of course, guns are acquired by people illegally when they don’t have them ‘readily available.’

Are you afraid to have a serious discussion about mental illness? Blaming ‘culture’ is, again, targeting something that effects 1% of 1% of users negatively and then acting as if it’s an epidemic. Millions of people listen to heavy metal, watch violent movies and play Call of Duty without ever committing a violent crime.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 5:11 PM

LOL! You are going to confiscate 200 million guns on THE HONOUR SYSTEM????

Hey, how about you start taxing people on the honour system, too?

we’ll tax gun sales, obviously. you know, like tobacco.

You can’t do through taxation what you are prohibiting from doing under the law. In other words, you can’t put a prohibitive excise tax on guns…and you would only be able to tax the sale.

guns won’t be as big a business, so smugglers won’t bother.

That’s EXACTLY what the Absolute Shalls said about alcohol. I’m not kidding.

Resist We Much on December 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Don’t confuse the Unit with Facts. It is not programmed to respond in that area.

“Additional gun laws” have been enacted after tragedies like this for decades. After MLK and RFK were shot, after Columbine, yada yada. What has changed?

As soon as the Left is willing to admit that the “gun problem” is at least partially caused by the moral decay of society and not just caused by the number of guns available, then we might make some progress in reducing these tragedies.

But they can never admit that, because they know they are responsible for that moral decline.

in all seriousness, i don’t really think any of this will happen anytime soon. of course liberals don’t look like winning the gun issue in the near future.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM

You were singing a much different tune at the start of this thread.

2. we’ll tax gun sales, obviously. you know, like tobacco.

3. guns won’t be as big a business, so smugglers won’t bother.

sesquipedalian on December 15, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Cigarette smuggling is one of the most profitable businesses of the mafia.

The more you limit these things, the more profitable they become for organized crime. You have learned nothing from the prohibition and the drug wars.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM

the points you’re raising are purely technical issues. if there was a general consensus that having less guns around would be a desirable development, we could obviously come up with an effective approach.

jared loughner, james holmes and adam lanza were able to kill so many people because guns were readily available to them. they also played out scenes they’d seen thousands of times on the screen, in situations where the shooter is often a hero even when dispensing with people indiscriminately. so this is both a technical issue (easy access to massive firepower) and cultural (the glorification of gun violence in society and the media).