“Quite literally, the opposition to gay marriage is dying”
“There is something like an emerging consensus,” Will said, noting voters in three states recently endorsed same-sex marriage initiatives. “Quite literally, the opposition to gay marriage is dying. It’s old people.”…
“There are important constitutional, biological, theological, ontological questions relative to homosexual marriage, but people who live in the real world say the greatest threat to civil order is heterosexuals who don’t get married and are making babies,” Matalin said.
“That’s an epidemic in crisis proportions. That is irrefutably more problematic for our culture than homosexuals getting married,” she added.









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Good Lt on December 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM
There is nothing that a gay man can not do that a straight man is allowed to do. Legally, all citizens have the same rights. As well they should.
A straight man can marry a woman. A gay man can marry a woman.
Similarly, a straight man can not marry another man any more than a gay man can marry another man.
So the law doesn’t care what your sexual orientation is. So the canard that this is legal discrimination against sexual orientation is sophistry. The law does not take into account sexual orientation, nor could it, since the law can not possibly know what turns somebody on. The law only concerns the definition of a marriage as it pertains to gender. And since both genders can marry, there is no legal discrimination.
I challenge anyone to name one activity that is open to a straight man under the law, but banned for a homosexual under that same law. Name me one activity.
keep the change on December 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM
certainly not in the mind of people hating homosexuality
Hypocrisy is your biggest problem though. Adultery is rampant. But you’ve likely not railed against that with such ferocity. You’ve probably cheated at least once in your life yourself. Regardless, most anti-gay crusaders are raging hypocrites.
Gays are an easy target no more. Pick another proxy-target for your own personal shortcomings.
Capitalist Hog on December 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I don’t care that they are screwing one another left and right. I do object to them however, because they are marching in the streets demonstrating that physical attraction and demanding that I teach my children that their behavior is acceptable. That’s just for starters.
Why do you think they should be able to demand that society accept their deviant behavior as normal?
JannyMae on December 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM
I agree with George Will. Old people typically die sooner and infrequently wear jeans.
Capitalist Hog on December 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Good Lt keeps asking the same irrelevant questions, which are all variations on “what business is it of yours who consenting adults are attracted to?”… and it’s either a sign he/she doesn’t understand the issue, or is deliberately trying to take the debate off topic.
The topic is not sexual attraction or orientation. The topic is whether this country will change the definition of marriage.
Marriage itself and the laws around it are mute on the issue of sexual attraction and orientation. Marriage doesn’t require you to be attracted to the opposite sex. But if you’re not attracted to the opposite sex, you’re probably not an ideal candidate for marriage.
The fact that you’re attracted to the same sex doesn’t automatically mean “marriage is discriminatory, and it’s definition must be changed or else it constitutes an injustice.”
greggriffith on December 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Behold the heinous threat to heterosexual marriage:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/marriage-equality-update.html
Be afraid, be very afraid…
cam2 on December 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Solve the problem of heterosexuals from getting married by… making marriage a less reputable institution. Great plan!
astonerii on December 9, 2012 at 4:11 PM
I don’t care what gay people do. Go do whatever.
Just stop shoving it in our faces and demanding we applaud it. Who else does that? No one.
Moesart on December 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM
You don’t have to teach your kids to like homosexuals or homosexuality. But they will learn how to adapt to your bigotry much in the same way that kids of civil-rights era bitter-clingers did.
Also all you have to do is teach them to respect citizenship and civil-rights. Lots of bigots do that. Teach their kids to “respect” others but not accept them. Why do you think so many southerners were against interracial-marriage? Now even the deepest trenches of the Old South have mixed marriages that are accepted.
You don’t have to learn. Your kids will. That’s the point George Will is making. Extremists are aging themselves out.
Capitalist Hog on December 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Hypocrisy is your biggest problem though. Adultery is rampant. But you’ve likely not railed against that with such ferocity. You’ve probably cheated at least once in your life yourself. Regardless, most anti-gay crusaders are raging hypocrites.
Gays are an easy target no more. Pick another proxy-target for your own personal shortcomings.
Capitalist Hog on December 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM
You don’t know me, Skippy. That’s an awful big ASSumption you’ve made of yourself.
Please find the right to marriage in the Constitution for me, and while you’re at it, list the Genetic Factors for homosexuality and link your sources.
kingsjester on December 9, 2012 at 4:20 PM
The Supreme Court has held since 1967 that marriage is a fundanmental right under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Here is their take on the issue, from the 1978 case of Zablocki v. Redhail:
cam2 on December 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
New International Version (NIV)
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.
davidk on December 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Wow so many ASSumptions, so little time. I have been married for 21 years FAITHFULLY as has my husband. And we wouldn’t allow my sister in law to see our children when she was dating a married man. So yeah, I have rallied against adultery as well. Adultery is more insidious to gay marriage. The difference is adultery is not going to be used by the state to bludgeon me or take away my free speech, free religious expression or parental rights- gay marriage will.
melle1228 on December 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM
Opposition to True Marriage Equality will someday die off, too.
blink on December 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM
cam2 on December 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM
And the same Supreme Court that made that assumption dismissed Baker v. Nelson for want of federal question. They agreed with Minnesota who made a distinction between interracial relationships (something that was done and legal before miscegnation laws of the 1600′s) and gay marriage- something that has NEVER legally been done. In fact Baker v. Nelson reiterates that the state’s interest in marriage is in fact procreation.
melle1228 on December 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM
From Baker v. Nelson:
The equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, like the due process clause, is not offended by the state’s classification of persons authorized to marry. There is no irrational or invidious discrimination. Petitioners note that the state does not impose upon heterosexual married couples a condition that they have a proved capacity or declared willingness to procreate, posing a rhetorical demand that this court must read such condition into the statute if same-sex marriages are to be prohibited. Even assuming that such a condition would be neither unrealistic nor offensive under the Griswold rationale, the classification is no more than theoretically imperfect. We are reminded, however, that “abstract symmetry” is not demanded by the Fourteenth Amendment./4/
Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 87 S.Ct. 1817, 18 L.Ed.2d 1010 (1967), upon which petitioners additionally rely, does not militate against this conclusion. Virginia’s antimiscegenation statute, prohibiting interracial marriages, was invalidated solely on the grounds of its patent racial discrimination. As Mr. Chief Justice Warren wrote for the court (388 U.S. 12, 87 S.Ct. 1824, 18 L.Ed.2d 1018):
“Marriage is one of the ‘basic civil rights of man,’ fundamental to our very existence and survival. Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541, 62 S.Ct. 1110, 86 L.Ed. 1655 (1942). See also Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 8 S.Ct. 723, 31 L. Ed. 654 (1888). To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State’s citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations./5/”
Loving does indicate that not all state restrictions upon the right to marry are beyond reach of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in commonsense and in a constitutional sense, there is a clear distinction between a marital restriction based merely upon race and one based upon the fundamental difference in sex.
melle1228 on December 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM
It still refers to marriage as a man and a woman.
Mimzey on December 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM
Who do you feel should not be allowed to marry?
Mimzey on December 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM
Baker was decided in 1972. Much has changed since that time. In 1986, the Supreme Court decided in Bowers v. Hardwick 478 U.S. 186 (1986) that the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not confer any fundamental right on homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy. Less than 20 years later, in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 577-578 (2003)
the Court reversed itself, noting:
Since that time, public opinion on gay rights, and particularly the right to marry has undergone a sea change, to the point that four of four gay marriage referenda in the past election were won by gay marriage proponents, and gay marriage is now legal in states containing a significant chunk of the U.S. population. The time is ripe for a re-examination of this issue by the Supreme Court, and I doubt they will feel constrained by their decision not to hear Baker in 1972.
cam2 on December 9, 2012 at 9:59 PM
I believe that any two unrelated consenting adult human beings should be entitled to marry.
cam2 on December 9, 2012 at 10:03 PM
Why do you narrow your beliefs so much? Why can’t you support True Marriage Equality?
blink on December 10, 2012 at 11:33 AM
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