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Poll: Majority would blame GOP if we go over the fiscal cliff
While 53 percent of those surveyed say the GOP would (and should) lose the fiscal cliff blame game, just 27 percent say President Obama would be deserving of more of the blame. Roughly one in 10 (12 percent) volunteer that both sides would be equally to blame.
Those numbers are largely unchanged from a Post-Pew survey conducted three weeks ago and suggest that for all of the back and forth in Washington on the fiscal cliff, there has been little movement in public perception. The numbers also explain why Republicans privately fret about the political dangers of going over the cliff, while Democrats are more sanguine about such a prospect.
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Your experience will be invaluable, because it’s going to happen here.
Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM
4 years of constantly saying no to everything has an impact. People are not stupid.
lester on December 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM
Um, don’t we always get the blame when they poll this kind of stuff? What’s new here?
kerrhome on December 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Minor fixes…so close but not quite.
MelonCollie on December 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Your post bring up an interesting question; is it better to slowly rot or implode quickly?
When you slowly rot, you end up like the Roman Empire and find yourself one morning with barbarians at the gate about to take away the last remnants of your civilization.
When you implode quickly, you will have a lot of domestic unrest, but at least you are likely to maintain national sovereignty.
I vote for the latter, since it at least gives us a chance to start from scratch. In any event, the country is lost and there is no hope to shift course through democratic means.
Norwegian on December 4, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Apparently 53% of people ARE.
Clink on December 4, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Why would the first two years have mattered? Obama had supermajorities in congress. Or were you referring to Democrat behavior in Bush’s 2nd term?
Kataklysmic on December 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Sekhmet on December 4, 2012 at 2:42 PM
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Remember, and pass it on, we don’t tax the wealthy.
We tax earners.
Work your a$$ off and the Dems want 40%
If you don’t work because you have lots of cash you know how much you pay – nothing.
Frame the argument that way and more poeple get it.
LincolntheHun on December 4, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Lester,
Why did Obama sign a bill to extend the Bush tax cuts in Dec 2010? Do you remember specifically what he said about the wisdom of raising taxes in the middle of a recession?
Kataklysmic on December 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM
I think he was saying “no” to all of the Republican’s proposal…not allowing them to debate bills, be involved in committee’s, etc. The “I won” mentality.
right2bright on December 4, 2012 at 2:58 PM
I think you misspelled blue dogs as Democrats. If Obama had any supermajority, Obamacare wouldn’t have been gutted and even then barely passed.
And saying no didn’t start in 2010. GOP went public about the fact that they want Obama to fail before inauguration.
lester on December 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM
So, at some point when you have the gun to your head and you say, “lets pull the trigger!”, you are saying the proper response is YES!
Personally, I think progressives and socialists are ALWAYS WRONG and should ALWAYS BE TOLD NO!
Just look around at all the Major Cities are are in complete collapse (morally and financially) and who is running them – those types should never be allowed to run anything again, EVER!
rgranger on December 4, 2012 at 3:03 PM
But if the GOP passes Simpson-Bowles or some other ingenious legislative manuever, that will somehow magically change perceptions /sarc
“Negotiations” are pointless.
Really only 2 choices:
1. Walk away and let the sequester take place. (LIB Option)
or
2. Call Obama’s bluff* and pass a bill extending the tax cuts on people making less than $250k only. (Minimize damage option)
* I think Obama really wants the sequester to take place.
Norwegian on December 4, 2012 at 3:03 PM
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What makes you say that?
Because China will keep Mexico from annexing Texas, or Canada from marching into Maine? Or someone will stop China from swiping Hawaii?
As for implode quickly and lots of domestic unrest, you say that as though it were a minor annoyance, but the French Revol-ution was no happy drunk time, nor any of the Communist takeovers, not to mention what happened afterwards. It’s very rare that a country that has a rev-olution gets a better govt. than what it had prior.
LincolntheHun on December 4, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Don’t be foolish…they knew his policies were going to fail, they had to or we would be in a continuous recession, unemployment over 8%, energy costs high…you know, like they are now because his plans, well his plans failed.
If someone states they are going to bankrupt your family, do you wish them well, or hope they fail??
right2bright on December 4, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Actually, I think he is correct…civil unrest, “panic”, crisis, all allow dictators to continue because they shift the focus off of them and onto other plights…it’s an age old tactic, cause unrest, create one crisis after another and people are hesitant to change. The middle east is a good example of that, dictators stay in power by “going to war” against evil empires daily.
right2bright on December 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM
If you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t – err on the side I what is right
famous amos on December 4, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Do we have a choice in the matter?
Galt2009 on December 4, 2012 at 3:11 PM
You mean because McConnell said his number one political priority was making Obama a one term president? I don’t know why you libs find this so remarkable. I assume you think it stands in stark contrast to all the Democrat procalamations throughout history of wanting to help make sure Republian presidents are elected to second terms?
Kataklysmic on December 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM
↑↑↑ BTW, I notice my question about why Obama chose to extend the Bush tax cuts in 2010 remains unanswered.
Kataklysmic on December 4, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Why don’t you explain to us all the last time the wonderfulness known as national socialism has worked?
Chip on December 4, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Wrong. Rush Limbaugh said he wanted him to fail (because he knew Obama’s policies would hurt the country, as they have) but some GOP types excoriated Rush for having the temerity to say it.
Bitter Clinger on December 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Which countries are considering to invade Greece right now? Or Russia in the early 1990s? Conditions for annexation dont’t just happen overnight, it takes time.
Compare that to the Ottoman Empire after 300 years of rot and the Roman empire in 476 AD. Several competing entities had prepared for decades/centuries to make their move on these rotting corpses.
Oh, I dunno. I think the odds are at least 50-50. Worth a try, since at the current trajectory the odds are ZERO.
Norwegian on December 4, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Historically speaking MAYBE 80-20. Probably less than that.
And those are the rev-o-lutions where the perpetrators didn’t lose outright.
MelonCollie on December 4, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Four years of the media blaming and attacking Republicans for everything in order to shield and defend Obama has an impact. People are stupid. Most of them are dumber and more malleable than Honey Boo Boo.
OxyCon on December 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Let them eat cake.
Punchenko on December 4, 2012 at 3:32 PM
WaPo BS propaganda.
The thing is if the GoP gives Zero what he wants Zero will keep coming back for more. and more. and more. and more.
Dems had a majority for two years and they could have done anything they wanted. They are acting now in an effort to really hurt the GoP. That’s what this is all about.
People aren’t stupid, but many are poorly informed.
dogsoldier on December 4, 2012 at 3:45 PM
I honestly don’t give a crap who gets the blame anymore. History shows that a recession hurts the party that controls the Presidency… though that’s always assumed that the media had less shame than Goebbels himself. So maybe we eat the blame. Maybe not. So what? We’ve lost the election already.
The left promotes outright socialists, while our moderates are painted as extremists. Our bargains are dismissed and replied with counter-offers more egregious than the last. If one thing is clear it is that compromise has gained us nothing. In that case, what point is there in not taking a stance farther to the right than ever before? See if it does anything. If not, no loss. “Bipartisanship” does nothing to benefit us here and does less than nothing to save the country.
Afraid the Dems could take the chance to seize the center? Big whoop. Romney easily took the center – won independents, where’d that get him?
Gingotts on December 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Well of course people are going to blame the GOP, the media has done everything they can to paint it that way.
ButterflyDragon on December 4, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Well, you spend 4 years trying to govern from the minority, turn on even your own republican positions on some issues and make them out like it’s Stalin’s march, say no and stamp your feet to any and everything that is ever proposed by the majority, and do nothing but play hypocritical disingenous games the whole time, I’d think it’d be pretty easy for the average low information voter to decide, “Yeah, I don’t like everything that he’s done, but I’m sick of this, it’s all they’ve done for 4 years now, they lost, and yet they want to keep on going saying no to everything that doesn’t abolish DHS, the Department of Education, and Medicare while preserving the lowest tax rates that they can for the people who need it the least.”
The obstruct, demonize, and deligitimize strategy only works when it WORKS. It didn’t this time around and people realize that Barack Obama isn’t the devil. They may not like everything he does, but they seem to like red-meat, we win even when we lose or else, fundamentalist conservativism even less.
Why don’t we try being… I don’t know… Rational for a while?
Genuine on December 4, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Don’t know if you forgot the sarc tag or not but I want to be on the committee that decides who needs what!!
2L8 on December 4, 2012 at 5:11 PM
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