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	<title>Comments on: Time to call the president&#8217;s budget bluff</title>
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		<title>By: trs</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear is a little secret...come closer:

OBAMA WANTS THE ECONOMY TO COLLAPSE. Everything this man has done has been towards those ends. Research Cloward - Piven.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear is a little secret&#8230;come closer:</p>
<p>OBAMA WANTS THE ECONOMY TO COLLAPSE. Everything this man has done has been towards those ends. Research Cloward &#8211; Piven.</p>
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		<title>By: entagor</title>
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		<dc:creator>entagor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The president&#039;s veto threat is a bluff. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
no. He would rather have a veto than a solution

&lt;blockquote&gt; Even if he could shift all the political blame for such a legislative failure onto congressional Republicans, Mr. Obama cannot afford to risk a new recession that would irreparably damage his second term&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Price is no object

&lt;blockquote&gt;Many Democrats don&#039;t want to raise taxes on successful small business owners without Republican votes as political cover.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They are willing to let business owners implode until the GOP capitulates

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the long run, Republicans must refuse to engage in ad hoc summitry and insist upon a return to a regular, committee-based legislative process that includes annual budget resolutions and open-floor amendments.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Somewhat correct. Right now Obama controls the arguments and the GOP reacts. They need to pass a small bill in the house, post haste, and then spend their time defending and promoting a real bill. Obama can dismiss the House bill, or argue against it, but now he will discussing GOP ideas. Notice the Senate is sitting silent like a snake. They obviously have less fear of the public than author suggests

I suggest this bill: 
1. Extend unemployment to the max
2. Return the payroll tax for Social Security to the original level
   Use the argument the Payroll Tax has to be restored to pay for the unemployment, since the current reduction in payroll forces the Social Security Administration to take money from the general fund to pay social security checks
3. People will complain about the increase in payroll tax. After they have complained, a Republican group will insist people with income under 100K get a credit on the increase in Payroll tax.

Then, spend you time arguing about your own bill, and move the arguments to Congress and away from the WH. 

Stick to your own bill and keep itnarrow

The bill will not help finances one bit, but it will give the GOP a credibility for the next step, which should simply be a holding pattern. They accomplish this bill first, or no bill at all (use Obama&#039;s tactic against him)

If this bill actually goes through, demand the Bush tax cuts, since they have now helped the worst off the the general public and now they need the tax cuts to create jobs. Government jobs will just deplete the Treasury which they just rescued for Social Security and Unemployment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The president&#8217;s veto threat is a bluff. </p></blockquote>
<p>no. He would rather have a veto than a solution</p>
<blockquote><p> Even if he could shift all the political blame for such a legislative failure onto congressional Republicans, Mr. Obama cannot afford to risk a new recession that would irreparably damage his second term</p></blockquote>
<p>Price is no object</p>
<blockquote><p>Many Democrats don&#8217;t want to raise taxes on successful small business owners without Republican votes as political cover.</p></blockquote>
<p>They are willing to let business owners implode until the GOP capitulates</p>
<blockquote><p>In the long run, Republicans must refuse to engage in ad hoc summitry and insist upon a return to a regular, committee-based legislative process that includes annual budget resolutions and open-floor amendments.</p></blockquote>
<p>Somewhat correct. Right now Obama controls the arguments and the GOP reacts. They need to pass a small bill in the house, post haste, and then spend their time defending and promoting a real bill. Obama can dismiss the House bill, or argue against it, but now he will discussing GOP ideas. Notice the Senate is sitting silent like a snake. They obviously have less fear of the public than author suggests</p>
<p>I suggest this bill:<br />
1. Extend unemployment to the max<br />
2. Return the payroll tax for Social Security to the original level<br />
   Use the argument the Payroll Tax has to be restored to pay for the unemployment, since the current reduction in payroll forces the Social Security Administration to take money from the general fund to pay social security checks<br />
3. People will complain about the increase in payroll tax. After they have complained, a Republican group will insist people with income under 100K get a credit on the increase in Payroll tax.</p>
<p>Then, spend you time arguing about your own bill, and move the arguments to Congress and away from the WH. </p>
<p>Stick to your own bill and keep itnarrow</p>
<p>The bill will not help finances one bit, but it will give the GOP a credibility for the next step, which should simply be a holding pattern. They accomplish this bill first, or no bill at all (use Obama&#8217;s tactic against him)</p>
<p>If this bill actually goes through, demand the Bush tax cuts, since they have now helped the worst off the the general public and now they need the tax cuts to create jobs. Government jobs will just deplete the Treasury which they just rescued for Social Security and Unemployment</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Halpern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Halpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to be overdramatic, but if the Republican Party puts short term political survival over long term national solvency at this point, there&#039;s a good chance it won&#039;t have a political  base left to rely on anyway. So does it really matter whether it has any political leverage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be overdramatic, but if the Republican Party puts short term political survival over long term national solvency at this point, there&#8217;s a good chance it won&#8217;t have a political  base left to rely on anyway. So does it really matter whether it has any political leverage?</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the past four years haven&#039;t been bad enough to wake people up, things need to get far worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the past four years haven&#8217;t been bad enough to wake people up, things need to get far worse.</p>
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		<title>By: justltl</title>
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		<dc:creator>justltl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeepers. It&#039;s almost as if Obama wants to do harm to the country or something.

LIB]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeepers. It&#8217;s almost as if Obama wants to do harm to the country or something.</p>
<p>LIB</p>
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		<title>By: ProfShadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfShadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[L.I.B.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L.I.B.</p>
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		<title>By: cntrlfrk</title>
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		<dc:creator>cntrlfrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The time to call President Downgrades bluff was 4 years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The time to call President Downgrades bluff was 4 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eh, Bark has a disdain for everyone and everything, you really believe he cares if the nation gets its collective teeth kicked in?  The dude is jetting away to Hawaii for a dream vacation on the public dime at the precise time that the country is careening over the cliff, he&#039;s already washed his hands of it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, Bark has a disdain for everyone and everything, you really believe he cares if the nation gets its collective teeth kicked in?  The dude is jetting away to Hawaii for a dream vacation on the public dime at the precise time that the country is careening over the cliff, he&#8217;s already washed his hands of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Shump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. Obama cannot afford to risk a new recession that would irreparably damage his second term.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Why? He&#039;s not running again, and he cares not a whit about the other Democrats who will be up for election in 2014. He&#039;s done all the damage he can through Congress at this point. He knows he&#039;s not getting a two-chamber majority again. At this point, his best bet for getting what he wants is to let us go over &quot;the fiscal cliff.&quot; Then everyone&#039;s tax rates go up and the military budget gets cut, two things he wants to accomplish. The rest he will try to do by executive order and regulation, which he doesn&#039;t need Congress for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mr. Obama cannot afford to risk a new recession that would irreparably damage his second term.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why? He&#8217;s not running again, and he cares not a whit about the other Democrats who will be up for election in 2014. He&#8217;s done all the damage he can through Congress at this point. He knows he&#8217;s not getting a two-chamber majority again. At this point, his best bet for getting what he wants is to let us go over &#8220;the fiscal cliff.&#8221; Then everyone&#8217;s tax rates go up and the military budget gets cut, two things he wants to accomplish. The rest he will try to do by executive order and regulation, which he doesn&#8217;t need Congress for.</p>
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		<title>By: Washington Nearsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Washington Nearsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. Obama cannot afford to risk a new recession that would irreparably damage his second term.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right.  Because his election campaign could be damaged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mr. Obama cannot afford to risk a new recession that would irreparably damage his second term.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right.  Because his election campaign could be damaged.</p>
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