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	<title>Comments on: Business groups sounding out the alarm on the debt limit</title>
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		<title>By: WisCon</title>
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		<dc:creator>WisCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we should just kick it down the road and let it blow up even bigger later on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we should just kick it down the road and let it blow up even bigger later on.</p>
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		<title>By: cthulhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>cthulhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While it would be amusing as all get out were the US to &lt;strong&gt;actually&lt;/strong&gt; default on its financial obligations -- the bulk of which are owned by Social Security, the Fed, and the Chinese -- that isn&#039;t what would happen if the debt ceiling is reached.

Instead, we&#039;d retain $16T+ of debt and merely have to dramatically slash government spending to the amount of current revenues each day -- which would entail a roughly 40% cut. It would have been much less of a cut had it been done before Obama heaped another $6T in debt on the pile, but that&#039;s what we&#039;re looking at today.

The US has about 330M people, and $16T in debt. To put this another way, that&#039;s about $54,000 per person -- which is what the government has promised to extract from everyone in taxes to pay that debt. If, instead, it were actually defaulted and repudiated, each citizen would no longer have to bear the burden of hauling around $54,000 of obligations accruing interest for the rest of his or her life. And, since the major debt-holders are Social Security, the Fed, and China.....you&#039;d merely see Social Security become &quot;pay-as-you-go&quot; [which it almost is today], the Fed implode, and the Chinese have their feelings hurt. I suspect I know what Andrew Jackson would think about that -- being that he intentionally imploded the Second National Bank of the United States for various irresponsible behaviors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it would be amusing as all get out were the US to <strong>actually</strong> default on its financial obligations &#8212; the bulk of which are owned by Social Security, the Fed, and the Chinese &#8212; that isn&#8217;t what would happen if the debt ceiling is reached.</p>
<p>Instead, we&#8217;d retain $16T+ of debt and merely have to dramatically slash government spending to the amount of current revenues each day &#8212; which would entail a roughly 40% cut. It would have been much less of a cut had it been done before Obama heaped another $6T in debt on the pile, but that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re looking at today.</p>
<p>The US has about 330M people, and $16T in debt. To put this another way, that&#8217;s about $54,000 per person &#8212; which is what the government has promised to extract from everyone in taxes to pay that debt. If, instead, it were actually defaulted and repudiated, each citizen would no longer have to bear the burden of hauling around $54,000 of obligations accruing interest for the rest of his or her life. And, since the major debt-holders are Social Security, the Fed, and China&#8230;..you&#8217;d merely see Social Security become &#8220;pay-as-you-go&#8221; [which it almost is today], the Fed implode, and the Chinese have their feelings hurt. I suspect I know what Andrew Jackson would think about that &#8212; being that he intentionally imploded the Second National Bank of the United States for various irresponsible behaviors.</p>
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		<title>By: entagor</title>
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		<dc:creator>entagor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fiscal cliff deal was opposed by Tea Party]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fiscal cliff deal was opposed by Tea Party</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brought to you by Tea Party. Because dropping in popularity from 40% to 20% due to last downgrade was not enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brought to you by Tea Party. Because dropping in popularity from 40% to 20% due to last downgrade was not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paging Chicken Little.

Paging Chicken Little. 

Chicken Little, please pick up the red courtesy phone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paging Chicken Little.</p>
<p>Paging Chicken Little. </p>
<p>Chicken Little, please pick up the red courtesy phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Shump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we please stop this &quot;risk of default&quot; nonsense? The United States is not going to default on anything. That was never a possibility last time around, and it&#039;s not a possibility this time. What will happen if we hit the debt ceiling is that OTHER things will have to be cut, like federal spending that is not on the debt. And that is not a bad thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please stop this &#8220;risk of default&#8221; nonsense? The United States is not going to default on anything. That was never a possibility last time around, and it&#8217;s not a possibility this time. What will happen if we hit the debt ceiling is that OTHER things will have to be cut, like federal spending that is not on the debt. And that is not a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That cliff just keeps getting steeper as word of democrat obstruction continues to leak out.

Put it all on C-Span.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That cliff just keeps getting steeper as word of democrat obstruction continues to leak out.</p>
<p>Put it all on C-Span.</p>
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