Democrats: It’s not like we’re overreaching in these debt talks
Democrats say the Republican response is little more than faux outrage, and that the White House offer is simply how negotiations are conducted. …
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), for instance, called that premise “ridiculous,” and said that early offers have “no effect” on whether either side gets too dug in on cliff negotiations.
“What harm comes from him asking for more than he thinks he’s going to be able to get?” said Frank, who did not seek re-election this year. …
House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) even went so far as to agree that the president’s proposal looked little different than a Democratic wish list. …
“I don’t think it’s a take-it-or-leave-it offer. I think it is, frankly, responsive to what the Republicans said they wanted, which is a specific offer,” Hoyer added during his weekly press briefing in the Capitol. “That doesn’t mean they have to like the offer. It does mean that they should put a very specific offer back on the table.”
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Fine. Let them respond to a counter to eliminate all non-defense spending.
besser tot als rot on December 1, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Let me just… Get… Here in my pocket… Oh!
:middle finger:
WeekendAtBernankes on December 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Hitler thought he was a nice guy too.
Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Morsi, the new “pharaoh” fancies himself to be “democratically elected” to be a dicatator.
Schadenfreude on December 1, 2012 at 4:11 PM
OK then, our counter offer should be: eliminate the federal govt except Defense and Homeland. 5% flat income tax rate.
thurman on December 1, 2012 at 4:15 PM
So, during this CRISIS, we have time to play games and try to figure out what Chicago Jesus really wants? You obviously have more faith in the moronic pile of sh!t than I do, Hoyer. What a bunch of scummy, filthy, disgusting excuses for human beings.
Night Owl on December 1, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Let Rand Paul make the offer. He’s the only one from whom it would be believable and the only one with the stones to do it.
besser tot als rot on December 1, 2012 at 4:23 PM
The counter-offer should be for the House to go into recess for the remainder of the year.
cthulhu on December 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Here’s your counter-offer: G.F.Y.
Chuck Schick on December 1, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Would they feel the same if a Republican president put his wish-list on offer?
OldEnglish on December 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM
No need for amny counter-offer (who bothers to even try to negotiate with people who exhibit nothing but bad faith, such as the Indonesian Dog-Eater and his leftist junta?). Just don’t raise the debt limit. end of story. Force the feral government to live within its means and nothing else. That’s it. Should have been done back in Feb 2011.
If the America-hating left wants access to some more debt, the GOP (if they had a brain) could offer to raise the debt limit by a half-trillion – but ONLY with the proviso that a full repeal of ObamaScare is part of the debt limit bill.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 1, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Fine in theory. Except it won’t actually stop Obama from spending. Either he’ll ignore the limit or issue an EO raising it. Probably the former. Then what?
besser tot als rot on December 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Exactly. The Dems have been doubling down on everything, and getting away with it, because they know the MSM will never question or call them on anything.
yubley on December 1, 2012 at 4:48 PM
As MKH and GB suggested… propose Simpson Boyles.
Illinidiva on December 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Then … nothing. We’re in the American Socialist Superstate, anyway. Let the left go full-force with their mockery of the concept of law. It’s true that only the dimmest bulbs ever would not know what Barky and the dems are all about at this point … but the Indonesian did just get voted back in. Let the remaining people who actually love America see what the rest of the country installed. Maybe that will help speed up the divorce, which is really a must at this point.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM
“comfortably won reelection after campaigning for higher taxes on the wealthy?”
That’s a rather convenient way of saying “squeaked by after running the most negative election campaign imaginable as an incumbent against perhaps the weakest candidate the opposition had chosen in many years, who was still a person of superior moral fiber to most that had come before him.”
Democrats are overplaying their hand in a big way, unless they’re counting the media cover as part of their hand, in which case they’re doing exactly as they should be doing.
mintycrys on December 1, 2012 at 5:21 PM
L.I.B. is tempting but I know full well who that will hit hardest – median and lower income households who have suffered enough.
The rest will suck it up, bitch, and probably cut costs across the board – less retail spending and less charitable giving will be the headliners. That will trickle down but leftists reject the idea of trickle down so it will be dismissed.
Allah is a wizard with cross tabs – do these households vote for more punishment?
CorporatePiggy on December 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Right… It’s not like Dear Leader actually wants all those taxes, really does want a another
stimulusporkulus to pay off his supporters, and actually wants unlimited unrestrained power to borrow trillions. He doesn’t. It’s not like he doesn’t want to cut federal government spending — he really does. Even though these demands are all consistent with his behavior and rhetoric the past four years, they are all just “negotiating” positions. He is actually quite serious about cutting the deficit, even though his star wealthy cheerleader, Buffet, and his SoT essentially say that trillion dollar deficits okay and no problem whatsoever. However its really important and critical to reduce those deficits by 5-10% by taxing the “wealthy” more. /sOnly fools, useful idiots, and socialist zealots can believe all of this. Those that do not and still promote it are power hungry fascists.
Obama, the Dems, and their hack propaganda enablers in the MSM and Hollywood are dishonest (but they have the best of intentions and goals and are battling evil, ya’know). You cannot believe a word they say.
farsighted on December 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM