Why aren’t Asians Republicans?
I think the reason Jews and Asians, however, vote against their interests may be because both groups have been concentrated in cities. One of the big demographic differences in the election, of course, was how the cities went for Obama, while the rural areas and many of the suburbs went for Romney. Perhaps it is not just ethnicity, or class, although these no doubt have something to do with it. It may be because Asians, like Jews when they first emigrated, have congregated in cities, which are run by Democratic-party machines who may demand a certain level of “loyalty,” shall we say, to compete for city business or to deal with city licenses. To the extent Asians then seek to leave the cities through education and entering the professions, they move into other areas controlled by the Left.
But there is a big difference. Since Asians have come in large numbers so recently, starting in the mid-1960s, their political allegiances are not fixed. Jews today follow in the footsteps of Jews who were part of the original New Deal coalition, and have been a solid part of it ever since. Asians, however, are still in play as it were. There is no historical relationship between Asians and the Democratic party. And there are historical factors that exist for Asians but not Jews that may in fact lead them toward the GOP, such as their origins in countries that have fought Communism, their history of small business, their suspicion of big government (having often come from countries with authoritarian regimes), and so on. Asians often own small businesses and are disproportionately hurt by high taxes and overregulation. And there have been prominent Asian leaders in the Republican party — such as Elaine Chao, Bobby Jindal, and Nikki Haley — who have few, if any counterparts, in the Democratic party.









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Agree on all points. I was being generous.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM
I lived in Japan for 9 years and still visit frequently. I speak, read and write Japanese at near native level.
I’m certainly not neutral about Japan. I love it very much.
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Is that all you have, Schad? That DC is smarter than me. Hey, good for him/her. Lol
tommy71 on November 30, 2012 at 1:42 PM
More propagandist bull****. Christian missionaries had been in Japan since the 16th Century (where many of them were tortured, by the way, but that couldn’t have happened since only us darn Westerners are violent). Intervention wasn’t about “Christianizing the savages.”
Japan is now the 3rd largest economy in the world, and that wouldn’t have happened had they maintained isolation from the rest of the world. They’ve made numerous contributions to the world in fine arts and technology. But keep pretending that “western imperialism” is some terrible scourge, and they’d be better off in a backwards feudal society making katanas.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Somebody called you a name so you want to cast all of those people as bigots? You’re a wuss of the highest order.
I’d Romneybet you 10k that you’ve called another person worse. Are you a racist? Probably, not.
Also, I have come to accept some terms as less offensive than cultural habit. I’ve been called “gringo” with a smile many times in Central-America. I rarely hear the term stateside. I’ve been called hapa and hamo. I’ve even been called the n-word. I’ve heard each of these terms used to hurt and to embrace.
Pull up your manpants.
Capitalist Hog on November 30, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Winning!
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Asians are more conformist than others, and post-1960 the hip, cool and conformist ideology is anti-white-male leftism. If whats acceptable or cool is changed, they will follow.
flawedskull on November 30, 2012 at 1:48 PM
And yet all you can do is parrot lazy “The Japanese learned racism from Americans” rhetoric.
Whatever. The West is the source of all evil in the world. The Edo Period was a ****ing Edenic Shangri-La of wine, roses, milk and honey with no conflict, no violence, no racism and no class struggle. Everything bad that ever happened in Japan stemmed from Western hegemony.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Looks like Schad got defused. And the hiding Christien too. Lol
tommy71 on November 30, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Dude you must have missed my last post. I’m joking.
But you know, when you see “NO GAIJIN” on the bath house, or in front of a restaurant it offends people. I accept it, gaijins don’t speak Japanese and carry dirty disease and so forth, but some people complain and hence my joke.
bernverdnardo1 on November 30, 2012 at 1:51 PM
I can’t speak as to Turks and Iranians, but I think Pakistanis and especially Indians are generally considered Asians in the U.S., at least among those who have a clue. In the 1980s and 1990s, when I went to college and law school, they were part of the Asian students’ associations, as they are today at my kids’ high school. Last week, when I was driving one of my daughter’s Indian friends home, she was obsessing over how to explain to her parents the “B” on her report card. When my daughter tried to comfort her,saying that a “B” was not that bad, the friend replied, “Julie, you don’t understand, a “B” is an Asian “F”! I nearly drove off the road laughing!
cam2 on November 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM
tommy71 on November 30, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Looks like you’re still the usual dummy.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM
It will be interesting to see if this turns into a blog thread. Got enough comments to merit it, IMO.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 2:03 PM
The Japanese were well aware of the role Christian missionaries had played in the imperialist conquest of the Americas. Yet in fact Christians were mostly tolerated initially, and even some Daimyo converted. It wasn’t until they began to start rebellions that they were widely prosecuted.
And just one devastating World War and foreign occupation later. The fact remains Japan was forced open, against it’s will. Would it be ok by you if some other country in the future were to force it’s will upon America?
Who knows, perhaps the aggressors’ grandchildren can make a retroactive case for it.
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Schad, you’re still displaying your ignorance. Lol
tommy71 on November 30, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Ignorance is still indignant.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 2:09 PM
cam2, bingo. Thats exactly how they are. Lol
tommy71 on November 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM
So true! It’s funny, sure, but it also creates a lot of stressed out, neurotic kids, which isn’t funny. Education in much of Asia, IMO, stressed rote memorization. Guess what the teacher is thinking or parrot the “correct” answer, collect your “A.”
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Heh, that is funny.
The census, college admissions, and pretty much everyone classifies Indians and Pakistanis as Asians.
You bring up another reason, Asians are left-leaning. Conservatives talk all the time about how our schools and colleges have become indoctrinated by the left. Asians tend to be highly educated and left leaning after they come out.
sauldalinsky on November 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM
Not parroting. It’s my own lazy rhetoric, thank you.
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM
I’ve seen Chinese spit at black American Soldiers, on r & r, spending their dough for the benefit of Chinese.
The Soldiers didn’t react. Yes, you can call me anything you wish. I have plenty of proof.
Chinese in certain parts even hate their own people if they are from other regions. Beware your ideal ‘masters’. They are the picture of ‘tolerance’.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 2:14 PM
LEAVE CHINA ALONE!
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM
When and where was this?
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Whenever and wherever I ask Asians why they don’t support Repubs, the most common answer I get is “because Repubs are white trash, redneck, ignorant, stupid, backwards, racist haters.” YMMV.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM
Big city and can’t tell when, but not so long ago, but where ships go.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 2:32 PM
TOP SECRET. Got it. I’m sure it’s true, very credible.
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 2:41 PM
Lol. Perfect response.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 2:41 PM
If those same black soldiers were liberals you would not care if a TP member spit on them. If you thought you could get away with it you’d probably do it yourself. But you’re a coward. I’ve watched you use Mexican-Americans, Blacks and women as a false-front. You don’t care about them collectively, do you? Stop faking it. Hell, you don’t seem care about the GOP.
You simply want to make the point that you’re somehow less of a bigot than all Chinese citizens. You struggle to make points that detach you from the seething-prejudice apparent in every comment you’ve made about race, ethnicity, class and gender.
From here you appear to be the most genuinely bigoted person posting on consistently at HA. Hey, aren’t you one of those who attacked Rep. Allen West racially over Pigford? Don’t remember.
Capitalist Hog on November 30, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Tell us how you really feel. LOl.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM
It is absolutely true and I have the proof.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Capitalist Hog on November 30, 2012 at 2:44 PM
You are a swine, with apologies to the clean pigs.
Yes, when you help as many minorities as I have, you can speak, you utter fool. Your observation skills are very poor.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM
So you can argue from experience/anecdote, but no one else is allowed to. Got it. That makes you seem like a very honest debater.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 3:17 PM
Who? What? When? Where? Why? Maybe it’s “TOP.” “SECRET.” “.”
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Christien on November 30, 2012 at 3:18 PM
So the Japanese attitude of superiority with respect to Koreans, Chinese and the Ainu comes from….Americans? Interesting thesis. You should publish it in a scholarly journal.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 3:18 PM
+1. To be fair, not all Old Hands act like him, thankfully.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 3:17 PM
Not only that. Lives can be endangered.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Still curious what Asian languages you speak so well. Can you read and write as well?
This thread’s beyond the horizon now, no need to keep secrets.
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Nothing on the internet is “beyond the horizon”.
Schadenfreude on November 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Hmm, a devastating war and a subsequent occupation to stop barbaric cultural practices? Why does that sound familiar?
Let’s ask the Ryukyu Kingdom what they think about forced cultural hegemony. Oh, right, we can’t, because they were conquered by the Japanese centuries before the end of Sakoku. I’m sure that’s somehow also America’s fault, even though we were a British Colony at the time.
And gee, how surprising to see you mouth more lazy rhetoric about the Japanese role in WW2. Yeah, between 1868 and 1941, the Japanese were perfect little angels who never agressed against anyone.
But really, we should have respected their superior morality and culture and just left them alone.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 3:25 PM
Just posted something with too many links, so it’ll be in moderation for a bit, but to add onto the points I made in that post:
If any other country wants to “force themselves” upon us, they’re welcome to try. But how about a little though exercise?
If the North Koreans of the Iranians or some other country got their hands on a Cosmic Cube and were able to instantly remake the United States in their own image, do you think we’d be a better country? Would your average American have a better life?
Meanwhile, who lives better: a Japanese citizen in the year 2012, or one during the Edo period? A Japanese citizen in 2012, or one during the Taisho?
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Beyond the horizon
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Listening to this while I wait for B-Plus’ instructive and insightful comment to come through moderation.
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM
As I listen, I wonder what 汉宫秋月 could mean?
I’d translate it as ‘Autumn Moon at the Han Palace’. Perhaps that’s what it means?
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Listening to this while I wait for you to condescend, argue from experience (but then deny anyone else’s ability to do so), and refuse to answer any questions by just posting random Youtube links.
Hey DC, did you visit the Ryukyu Kingdom when you lived in Japan? Oh, right, they were conquered by the Japanese pre-black ships. That’s some amazing juju us Americans have to influence world events before we even existed as an independent country.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM
DC, it’s been a while since I practiced my Kanji. Could you translate “Why do I refuse to honestly answer any questions?” into Japanese for me? Thanks in advance.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Forget it, Jake. It’s Chicomtown.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Alright, I’m wasting my time. It’s obvious you refuse to be honest about Japanese racism, their depictions of black people, and their feelings about other Asian groups.
America can’t celebrate our “Judeo-Christian heritage,” but Japanese politicians say things like this: “Yasuhiro Nakasone, the conservative prime minister of Japan in the 1980s, angered minorities in Japan by referring to Japan as a “homogeneous nation” with “one ethnicity, one state and one language.” He angered American and American minorities when said that the “intellectual level” of Americans was below that of Japanese because of “people like blacks, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.”
America is horrible because of Joe Arpaio and Arziona’s awful racist laws, but the Japanese do things like this: “On her experiences being mistaken for an illegal immigrant Kumiko Makihara wrote in the New York Times, “I am a Japanese woman living in Japan” but “a few years ago when I started getting pulled aside by police, apparently to see if I was an illegal immigrant. On three occasions, officers sidled up to me at busy train stations, flashing their badges and asking me where I was headed. When they concluded I was a Japanese national, they sent me on my way. Earlier this year, two officers approached me as I was exiting Tokyo Station and asked to see an ID and the contents of my purse. I refused their repeated requests while demanding an explanation until one of the officers finally told me, “You are tall and dark-colored and look like a foreigner.” He then added, “Every day we catch four to five overstays this way,” referring to immigrants with expired visas. [Source: Kumiko Makihara, New York Times, July 7, 2010]
America is horribly bigoted towards illegal immigrants, but Japan has protests like this: Reporting from Kyoto, Martin Fackler wrote in the New York Times, “The demonstrators appeared one day in December, just as children at an elementary school for ethnic Koreans were cleaning up for lunch. The group of about a dozen Japanese men gathered in front of the school gate, using bullhorns to call the students cockroaches and Korean spies. An armband worn by a member of the Japanese group Zaitokukai. The red characters say ‘The Volunteer Corps Against Lawless Koreans’; the black characters say ‘Expel barbarians.’” Inside, the panicked students and teachers huddled in their classrooms, singing loudly to drown out the insults, as parents and eventually police officers blocked the protesters’ entry.[Source: Martin Fackler, New York Times, August 28, 2010]
And here we have Jennifer Golub commenting on anti-Semitism in a country with barely 2,000 Jews and no prevailing hegemonic Christian or Muslim culture: http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/889.PDF Or, as Stephen Roth puts it: The first and most successful nation to modernize in the Asia Pacific region, Japan also has the oldest and richest anti-Semitic tradition in the area. Japanese anti-Semitism may be the ultimate oxymoron since Japan is a Shintoist/Buddhist society with virtually no Jewish minority. Nonetheless, under the powerful impact of The Protocols (introduced by soldiers returning from the Siberian Intervention of 1918-23), and the regicidal Bolshevik revolution, anti-Semitism became a component of the Japanese national political discourse. The Protocols and The International Jew have been available in Japanese since 1924, Mein Kampf since 1934. This anti-Semitic trilogy has come out in new editions about every ten years.
But see, that’s the thing; America *isn’t* one ethnicity or one culture, we’re a conglomeration of many. We integrate, while a xenophobic country like Japan wants to stay “ethnically pure.”
Did we have our own issues with that? Of course we did. Killing the Native Americans, slavery and the Jim Crow South, bigoted immigration policies that targeted Asians…we’re not angels. We don’t pretend to be. But we became better, and nobody had to drop a bomb on us and occupy us to force us to get better.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Unfortunately I never did get a chance to visit the actual Ryukyu Kingdom, since it was long defunct by the time I got there. I did spend my junior year in high school at Nara though.
If you’re familiar with the history of the Ryukyus, you know it was never a very independent state in historical times. For most of it’s history a tributary state to various Chinese dynasties, even maintaining that formal status after supposedly being taken over by the Satsuma han.
Thanks for listening
DarkCurrent on November 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM
If DC tries to cut my nose off, we might have to rumble.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 30, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Nice! Joke ‘em, if they can’t take a fvck.
Christien on November 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM
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