http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?382585-Warning-Obama-Confiscates-IRA-s-401k-s-New-Senate-Bill-Nationalizes-IRA-s

This site also:

http://www.nationalseniorscouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89%3Aobama-begins-push-for-new-national-retirement-system&catid=34%3Asocial-security&Itemid=62

I love you like a brother. A snappy, pithy brother.

DrMagnolias on November 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM

*Hat Tip*

The market crash, Roger, was a function of the Bush years, and so not recorded on the Obama leger, which — as far as market performance is concerned — is spectacular.

urban elitist on November 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM

well, now you’ve jumped the shark. No one except low info voters actually believes that.

What exactly about the “bush years”????? This is totally seriousness. I mean, obama does actually believe this…he just says to get his base chanting his name..(hey, urban, have you ever been at one of those things and chanted O.ba.ma, O.ba.ma….?

i always wondered if it was really cool…kind of like ‘Ommmmmmmmmmm’ in a big group of people

When the government cuts your tax bill, it is the equivalent of a cash grant and hence a subsidy.

urban elitist on November 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM

WTF????

Again NO! It’s not a subsidy because it was never their money to start with. Your problem is you fail to understand that very simple point. Your starting assumption is incorrect so every one of your conclusions derived from that assumption is, by extension, incorrect.

StompUDead on November 30, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Absolutely. Alas, liberals have no common sense and they actually believe everything they’ve been told by the left.

StompUDead on November 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM

I love you like a brother. A snappy, pithy brother.

When the government cuts your tax bill, it is the equivalent of a cash grant and hence a subsidy.

This money-is-the-government’s-first nonsense again? We’ve had this conversation at least three four times before…
 
That you don’t (won’t?) learn even basic points from multiple people and discussions is extremely bizarre.
 
It really is a religious stance more than anything, isn’t it? Faith-based economics.
 
rogerb on November 30, 2012 at 2:35 PM
 

 
Fixed for timeliness.
 

The market crash, Roger, was a function of the Bush years, and so not recorded on the Obama leger, which — as far as market performance is concerned — is spectacular.
 
urban elitist on November 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM

 
Amazing.
 

You should probably consider abandoning this thread soon. The more you post the more you prove you have little to no understanding of finances, taxes, or stock market gains:
 
rogerb on November 30, 2012 at 3:10 PM

When the government cuts your tax bill, it is the equivalent of a cash grant and hence a subsidy.

urban elitist on November 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Again NO! It’s not a subsidy because it was never their money to start with. Your problem is you fail to understand that very simple point. Your starting assumption is incorrect so every one of your conclusions derived from that assumption is, by extension, incorrect.

My tax bill, if I pay ANYTHING > $0.00 to the government is me subsidizing the government. If my tax bill is lower because of a deduction, and I’m still paying a + monetary value to the government, it’s still not a subsidy because that money began and ended as mine. It never belonged to the government to grant back to me.

When the government cuts your tax bill, it is the equivalent of a cash grant and hence a subsidy.

The market crash, Roger, was a function of the Bush years, and so not recorded on the Obama leger, which — as far as market performance is concerned — is spectacular.

And, finally,how come all the sudden farsighted is eager to subsidize charities that are run so poorly that no one will donate to them without a tax deduction?

urban elitist on November 30, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Run so poorly as compared to what…your precious pig government? The beacon of efficiency? The one you wanted funded by your fellow citizens at all costs. Man your I feel sorry for your son.