“What good are gay rights if your country is falling apart?”
There is no way to measure their true numbers, but gay activists say that in many cases, these “unicorns” began life as Republicans first — driven by conservative upbringings, economic issues and libertarian principles. They often did not acknowledge their sexual orientation, even to themselves, until middle age…
At 18, she registered as a Republican, and though she briefly reconsidered her party affiliation when she came out, Ms. Smith voted for Mr. Romney, albeit reluctantly. Echoing the more than a dozen women interviewed for this article, Ms. Smith said that liberal lesbians reacted more negatively to her political views than conservatives do to her sexual orientation.
“Mention that you’re Christian or mention that you’re Republican and suddenly you just get vilified,” she said. “That may be one of the reasons for the lack of visibility of gay women in the Republican Party.”
Still, she said, “What good are gay rights if your country is falling apart?”
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Nothing else matters to them, so they’ll tank the country to get their “rights”.
Ward Cleaver on November 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM
And just why is the country falling apart!?
OldEnglish on November 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM
True, & that also applies to a plethora of other leftist subgroups.
itsnotaboutme on November 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM
Ellen. Degeneres.
Jeddite on November 26, 2012 at 10:15 AM
I know Casey Pick personally, she is a great Republican.
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Speaking of leftist subgroups…
God got a few cheers here, but their “lord & savior” Obama got a standing ovation.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/26/jamie-foxx-calls-obama-our-lord-and-savior#ixzz2DKou43ep
itsnotaboutme on November 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM
God got a few cheers here, but their “lord & savior” Obama got a standing ovation.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/26/jamie-foxx-calls-obama-our-lord-and-savior#ixzz2DKou43ep
itsnotaboutme on November 26, 2012 at 10:17 AM
This applies to blacks, hispanics, women, gays, the middle class, et al.
Uniters!
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:17 AM
What these voting blocks don’t realize is they will never be given their “rights”. They will be strung along and fed crumbs of legislation for years and years because the Democrats know that the gay community will start voting their pocket book once they get everything they want.
The question everyone should ask is why allow the govt. to sanctify your marriage in the first place? As far as the govt is concerned marriage should exist as contractual law only. With the purpose of deciding assets and parental rights. That is true equality as anyone can form a contractual agreement with any other individual with the capacity to agree…. ergo you can’t “marry” your dog.
Socmodfiscon on November 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM
When I was vegan I had the same issue. Mention that I was conservative to a group of vegans and I’d be shunned. Mention that I was vegan to a group of conservatives and they teased me, but otherwise didn’t vilify me or shun me.
vegconservative on November 26, 2012 at 10:21 AM
What??? Surely this can’t be true. Liberals are tolerant of everyone! ///
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:22 AM
This is just a stepping stone to their ultimate goal.
yhxqqsn on November 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM
‘Nuff said …
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM
This number will only increase with time. You can call us RINOs ad infinitum, but some of you will need to deal with the reality that many young Republicans like myself don’t think our gay friends are any less deserving of happiness than the rest of us.
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM
Yeah. There will be teasing, but you’re an individual with individual preferences/needs. Whether or not you want to order a delicious steak isn’t my business, and doesn’t affect me.
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM
Like any demographic – the angry members get all the visibility – the kind – hard working members are never seen or spoken of.
Our society today only gives visibility to angry minorities.
jake-the-goose on November 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM
There will be a split along the social conservative and fiscal conservative fault line, and sooner rather than later.
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Sooner the better
Socmodfiscon on November 26, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Why that’s fantastic? What happens after that? What’s the next cause to champion? Gays are used by the left to create divisiveness and attack Republicans … surely they won’t stop after gay marriage, you think?
If the left stops it will be the first time in history.
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:32 AM
FIFY
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM
But a split within the younger generation of socons and fisc cons, or within the party as a whole across the generations?? Hasn’t there always been some split between these groups, in the more fervent ones among each bunch? After all, that’s why we identify them as separate camps in the first place.
Not contesting your point, I just wish if you could clarify it a little.
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM
I am aware of the name, but not the person. Apparently, I’ve missed nothing.
OldEnglish on November 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Considering the fact that gay rights actively work towards making the country fall apart, they are in fact no good at all. In fact, they are detrimental in general, hence why no prosperous nation in the world has ever done so. At some point the degenerate nature of a society that embraces gay relationships as normal causes an unstoppable decline.
Here in the USA it is just another of many wounds degenerates have stabbed lady liberty with over the decades. Social Security, easy divorce, abortions and poor education of our youth and allowing the media to become a propaganda machine being the first of many.
astonerii on November 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Social engineering is the cause of our fiscal problems. One cannot really be socially liberal yet call themselves fiscally conservative.
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM
For those that think that all gay people ONLY care about gay rights, we don’t. When I told my gay liberal friends I was voting for Romney, they stopped being my friends. One of them actually blasting me on FB. I even used the argument that marriage means NOTHING if the economy/country are falling apart.
However, I am in a rock and hard place. Especially when being called a pervert, child molester and reprobate from social conservatives. I have no problem with people disagreeing with my life or gay rights, just don’t insult me. I get vitriol from both the right and the left.
nyclakerfan on November 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Given free rein, everything tends to roll downhill.
OldEnglish on November 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Yes. Not a bad conservative either. At least she has her priorities straight to some good extent.
astonerii on November 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Words fail me.
BigGator5 on November 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM
I’m not speculating about the future of whatever the heck liberals will want in the future; we’ll be here all day if we tried. My only point is that all the YRs I know don’t have any opposition to gay people getting married. We’re not going to dig in our heels about this the way our parents’ generation has because at the end of the day, we grew up with gay friends and gay people in our lives.
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Gays get it from all sides when we stand up and finally talk about our sexual orientation whether we are 16 or 60. The gay community is small. And, if we are fiscally conservative and define ourselves as Christian in our own way, we even get even more grief.
There is nothing unusual here. People have an innate dislike of people who are not like themselves. I probably should double my dose of my anti-depressant drug. Why did I vote for Romney? It sure was not on his stated views on same-sex marriage or gay rights in general. I voted for Romney because he would be best for this country’s economy and the people as a whole. We live an ever more dangerous world. The Middle East is a power keg and Europe is an economic mess. Obama is an utter disaster as a leader of this country and the free world as a whole.
SC.Charlie on November 26, 2012 at 10:40 AM
We could if we got rid of government payments to individuals…
Make it unconstitutional for these kinds of payments, and then society can impose penalties on degenerate behavior the way they always have. Withholding of charity unless they are repentant.
astonerii on November 26, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Honestly? I think the younger generation doesn’t have nearly the ties to social conservatism that the older generations have. As the older generations pass on, the party will – I think – slowly move to a small-government, fiscal conservative position.
That it will be a long process means the Republican party will lose national elections for quite some time.
The nation still identifies as Christian when polled, but voting data does not support that. Anecdote: My father is ‘very Catholic’ and ‘very invested’ in his faith. He’s also radically pro-choice, and does not support much of anything coming out of the Vatican. When I point out that both belief systems simply can not exist at the same time, he gets angry. Quite a few people think like he does.
I’m not sure what could provoke a sharp, well-defined split while still maintaining electoral viability. Gary Pureheart Johnson is a perfect example of the problem.
I haven’t offered a solution because I don’t know of one.
Maybe that’s not what you were asking, but it’s what I’ve got.
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Nice edit – I thank you for that.
jake-the-goose on November 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Actually yes, that was exactly what I was asking, so thanks
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 10:45 AM
Well you need to speculate because that’s how the left works. From Lenin to Obama, it creates diviseness and pits people against one another. The left doesn’t champion gay marriage because they give a shyt about gays, they do it because it can hurt Republicans and furthers their cause. If gay marriage becomes a non-issue for the left they’ll simply create another one involving gays.
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Civil rights can never stop until all people are treated equally.
I don’t really understand this, and it’s a conversation I have with a lot of people. Being fiscally conservative does not preclude having an open mind to social injustice.
RINOs are people too on November 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM
“Equally” in the left’s lexicon is the goal of “our special interest groups have all the rights, you have none.”
MelonCollie on November 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Are we defining ‘degenerate behavior’ as ‘anything that doesn’t conform to my definition of Christianity and/or good behavior’?
If yes, I’ll pass.
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM
So libertarian Republicans are all just magical unicorns?
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Simple. Degenerate social behaviors have much more negative consequences for their participants and the communities at large in which they practice their degenerate behavior. Society therefore has a vested interest to minimize the practice of said degenerate behavior, as at some point those degenerates will be coming looking for assistance to offset their negative consequences. Being morally good, society would offer the help to the degenerates, but with ridicule and requests for repentant behaviors.
This would be fine and dandy, but with our welfare state, society no longer has the power to work to minimize degenerate destructive behavior that brings down everybody in the society, as the degenerates can just get on medicaid, ssdi and food stamps as well as housing assistance any number of the other 186 programs to help the poor.
Thus, what you have is, if you promote these alternative lifestyles, then you are also promoting their increased use of other people’s money being taken at the point of a gun. That is not fiscally conservative.
astonerii on November 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM
One is either a profligate, or one is not.
OldEnglish on November 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM
You claim to be Christian? LOL
astonerii on November 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM
You’re either painting with a massively broad brush or simply ignoring what you’d like to ignore.
Why do you think the fact that I don’t care who marries whom, what god people pray to or what color they are means I don’t want a balanced budget, and end to government intrusion in my life, a complete overhaul of Social Security with the stated goal of eliminating the program, et al.?
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM
I haven’t claimed to be anything at all. I grew up Catholic, but I’ve had my own crisis of faith over the past five years or so.
Your disdain for all those unlike you is telling.
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM
You may think Casey Pick and other Log Cabins are all a bunch of degeneratex, but they’re working towards getting more people to vote for Republicans.
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Who isn’t treated equally?
Social injustice, equality … you know, “equality” is the underlying premise of socialsm. Everyone will be equal (except the uber powerful and rich elites telling us what to do and how to do it of course).
Anyway, virtually all tax money taken in is spent of social programs. We have to borrow to run the government. If one is concerned about “social injustice”, how does one usually right that supposed injustice? It’s usually a very expensive social program or law that costs lots of tax dollars.
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM
While we’re on it, how can you POSSIBLY claim the mantle of Christianity for yourself? Christianity is inclusive, and the New Testament God is not spiteful or vindictive. Less ‘Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God’ and more ‘peaceful, hopeful, welcoming God’.
What you’re peddling sounds much closer to Islam than to Christianity.
Washington Nearsider on November 26, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Does socially liberal imply support for an endless list of laws and social programs that has government dictating to society what it can and cannot do?
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Then you’re not really socially liberal. You’re simply in agreement (for the most part) for the original intent of this nation. Individual states each living how they see fit without interference from the federal government.
The federal government at this stage of the game controls everything we do.
darwin on November 26, 2012 at 11:01 AM
Her (among others):
Liberty 5-3001 on November 26, 2012 at 11:01 AM
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