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If “our current understanding” is in fact incorrect, which it has been in the past, then we can cross that bridge when we come to it. As of right now, however, the current understanding is 4.5 billion years. Voters will appreciate a candidate that has passing familiarity with current scientific consensus, particular if that candidate might end up having some say in how the voters’ children are educated.
Keep in mind that if radiometric dating is false, then much more than just the age of the Earth is in doubt. The age of pretty much everything is in doubt, plus our basic understanding of how atoms react, which would fly in the face of 200 years of science that was not directly involved in determining the age of the Earth.
People know that scientific understanding changes over time. If a number of scientists offer significant evidence that the Earth is much younger than what we think, then gradually people will accept that.
But for the vast majority of Americans, if a professor with a Ph.D. in geology is claiming that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and a minister is claiming that Earth is 6-10 thousand years old because of how he interpreted a series of passages in the Bible, the scientist will get the benefit of the doubt every time.
That’s the reality of our culture. You may not like it, but you have to deal with it.
But for the vast majority of Americans, if a professor with a Ph.D. in geology is claiming that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and a minister is claiming that Earth is 6-10 thousand years old because of how he interpreted a series of passages in the Bible, the scientist will get the benefit of the doubt every time.
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Kinda like climate change and Obamacare, right? The “experts” are certainly flawless in their conclusions there too.
What’s your solution for this problem? Or is it possible that you are describing a symptom rather than the underlying disease?
gryphon202 on November 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM
1. No Next In Line. It gives the Enemy an idea what to expect, and a lot of stuff can happen in four years.
2. We need our own 21st century media and tech people, to bring the campaign up to date. Nobody had the savvy to pre-test ORCA before its premiere date? Dude, I make a living dealing with folks like that on the phone and real life.
3. The candidate him/herself needs to be familiar with 21st century tech. Everybody can tell when a Tweet or Facebook post is not in the candidate’s voice, but in the focus-grouped voice of the designated techno-geek for the Technophobe McOldiepants campaign.
If “our current understanding” is in fact incorrect, which it has been in the past, then we can cross that bridge when we come to it. As of right now, however, the current understanding is 4.5 billion years. Voters will appreciate a candidate that has passing familiarity with current scientific consensus, particular if that candidate might end up having some say in how the voters’ children are educated.
Keep in mind that if radiometric dating is false, then much more than just the age of the Earth is in doubt. The age of pretty much everything is in doubt, plus our basic understanding of how atoms react, which would fly in the face of 200 years of science that was not directly involved in determining the age of the Earth.
People know that scientific understanding changes over time. If a number of scientists offer significant evidence that the Earth is much younger than what we think, then gradually people will accept that.
But for the vast majority of Americans, if a professor with a Ph.D. in geology is claiming that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and a minister is claiming that Earth is 6-10 thousand years old because of how he interpreted a series of passages in the Bible, the scientist will get the benefit of the doubt every time.
That’s the reality of our culture. You may not like it, but you have to deal with it.
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Even a PhD. could see the link I provided references specific articles. And these articles are PhD written and call into question the reality of radiometric dating–based on science.
That’s the reality of our culture science. You may not like it, but you have to deal with it.
One of the problems, all of you vote Republican no matter what. It didn’t matter if they matched your ideals, principles, or values. Don’t waste a vote. Right? Voted for Gary Johnson and I’m perfectly happy with that. After all, both our candidates lost…all wasted votes…right? Except I voted for what I believed in and wanted for my country.
The GOP will betray you.
Panther on November 22, 2012 at 10:52 AM
And I hope you got exactly what you wanted in the results.
I think being Romney’d in this case, isn’t about the age of the earth, it’s about being on both sides of the question. Rubio has to pick one and stick to it. Doesn’t matter which one, as the answer will always be wrong to someone.
We don’t need another politician afraid to offend. We need politicians who will be bold.
RINOs are people too on November 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Ok, point taken. So lets go put some people away.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM
That’s what the article I referenced attempts to do.
Even a PhD. could see the link I provided references specific articles.
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM
No, it doesn’t. The link you provided lands on an empty page by Creation Ministries International. The link automatically redirects itself to http://creation.com/search
Even with the search function, I need more than just “6399″
Kinda like climate change and Obamacare, right? The “experts” are certainly flawless in their conclusions there too.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM
How the heck does Obamacare figure into a candidate knowing what current science says about the age of the Earth?
Sorry, but climate change is real. Doubt me? Look at the “Little Ice Age” of a few hundred years ago, where temperatures plummeted all of a sudden. How about the Ice Ages of 10-25,000 years ago. They actually happened. Climates change over time. To deny it is ridiculous!
What you need to do is call the Left out their assertions that climate change is something that can be “reversed” by surrendering massive amounts of political and economic power to “those who can save us”, which inevitably turn out to be…the Left!
I think when people say “climate change” it’s a shortcut for “anthropogenic climate change”. You’re probably right it’s good to differentiate, though, since somehow being against illegal immigration has morphed into being against all immigration.
So far Mitt has received 200,000 more votes than McCain. And he still lost.
BarackObama’s raw vote lead over Mitt Romney just surpassed 4.1 million (64,216,223 to 60,114,898)
2-3 million more votes still uncounted in New York and California, and you know which way those are going. This will put Obama up by at least 6 million votes.
That’s a lot of fraud. Why is it easier to think that Americans are cheaters on a vast scale, than to to admit that people didn’t like Mitt?
RINOs are people too on November 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Bawling about voter fraud after a decisive loss didn’t help the liberals and it won’t help you.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 10:56 AM
But wouldn’t you like it to stop in the future? Why not try to do something for NEXT time?
I’m really amazed that people know there’s a problem, b!tch about it, but either won’t speak up or do anything about it expecting “the next guy” to figure it out.
I think when people say “climate change” it’s a shortcut for “anthropogenic climate change”. You’re probably right it’s good to differentiate, though, since somehow being against illegal immigration has morphed into being against all immigration.
eforhan on November 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Thank you. We’re letting the Left set the terms of the debate with their choice of words. You’ll notice how they freely switch from “global warming” to “climate change” when the weather doesn’t seem “warm” enough to convince people that “global warming” is real.
Your immigration analogy is a good one, too.
And with regards to the age of the Earth, I’m not asking anyone to repudiate their religious beliefs. All I’m asking is that candidates at least be familiar with what current science says, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.
None of us agree with socialism or communism, but we all try to have a passing familiarity with it so we can argue against it, right?
Mr. Limbaugh’s shout out to Hot Air and Allahpundit notwithstanding (yay!), his broadcast’s “How old is the earth” comparison, judged equally (on a human scale), would favor Barack Obama which was certainly not the comparison’s intention:
Marco Rubio, (2012) I’m not a scientist, man.
I can tell you what recorded history says
I can tell you what the bible says
But that’s a dispute among theologians
It has nothing to do with the GDP
Economic growth of the country
The age of the universe has zero to do with
How our economy’s gonna grow.
I’m not a scientist
I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that
…I think there are multiple theories out there
on how the universe was created.
Barack Obama, (2008)
[I would tell my daughters] I believe God created the universe
and that six days in the bible may not be
six days as we understand.
It may not be twenty-four hour days
I know that there’s always been a debate between
those who read the bible literally
and those who don’t.
I think that’s a legitimate debate.
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM
No, it doesn’t. The link you provided lands on an empty page by Creation Ministries International. The link automatically redirects itself to http://creation.com/search
Even with the search function, I need more than just “6399″
hawkdriver on November 22, 2012 at 9:22
AM
If one of your core beliefs is that Earth is 6000 years old, or that God intends you to have the baby from that rape (which He also must have intended) the distinction to which you refer will make things worse for the GOP.
Basilsbest on November 22, 2012 at 9:47 AM
I guess I was under the incorrect assumption by some of your other comments over the years that you were a person of faith believing in The Bible. My bad.
Mr. Limbaugh’s shout out to Hot Air and Allahpundit notwithstanding (yay!), his broadcast’s “How old is the earth” comparison, judged equally (on a human scale), would favor Barack Obama which was certainly not the comparison’s intention:
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM
Sadly, I agree. Rubio’s response makes him sound airheaded, but that just might be how the transcription reads. “I’m not a scientist, maaaaan!“. Obama’s response sounds more mature, if a bit pandering.
To say I’m skeptical of the “young earth” argument is an understatement in the extreme, but I’ll give your links a fair reading. I’d like to read an argument other than, “the dating method is false because the Bible says the Earth was created on this date, and the results from the experiment don’t match up with what the Bible says.”
To say I’m skeptical of the “young earth” argument is an understatement in the extreme, but I’ll give your links a fair reading. I’d like to read an argument other than, “the dating method is false because the Bible says the Earth was created on this date, and the results from the experiment don’t match up with what the Bible says.”
But for the vast majority of Americans, if a professor with a Ph.D. in geology is claiming that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and a minister is claiming that Earth is 6-10 thousand years old because of how he interpreted a series of passages in the Bible, the scientist will get the benefit of the doubt every time.
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Kinda like climate change and Obamacare, right? The “experts” are certainly flawless in their conclusions there too.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Yes, this.
There are all kinds of PhDs that study creation, some are young earth, some aren’t, all different combinations of possible theories, but it’s not just “ministers” that believe creation or young earth, but scientists that do believe and study the evidence for it are shunned just like the scientists that are AGW “deniers”. Yet we are supposed to give a head nod to what current theory the peer pressure mainstream scientific community is telling us. Like we should always say, “well current scientific research shows us the human activity will make the temperatures will rise 1.5 degrees in the next several decades rising the sea levels tens of feet and risking millions of lives…” and then some lame disclaimer for the base. It’s exact true same and we’re always conceding the argument to the other side. Rubio’s answer was fine. There is no reason the small vocal few that we probably can’t sway their vote anyway needs to make us alienate our base.
Oops, the quote in quote thing didn’t work like I expected, I was agreeing this this
Kinda like climate change and Obamacare, right? The “experts” are certainly flawless in their conclusions there too.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM
The solution isn’t to bicker on threads like this an nitpick every candidate we consider
The solution is to play their game, but better. Punch back twice as hard, as Glenn Reynolds would say
Time to poison Hillary’s legacy now. Hammer her on Benghazi and all her Middle East failures. Dredge up all of Bill’s disgusting perversions, deflate the rosy illusion people have of his tenure.
We need to spend 4 years destroying Hillary, then Cuomo or whoever else comes to the forefront. Starting now.
Our nominee can be Reagan incarnate in 2016, it won’t matter if we let Hillary preen in the media unscathed to the nomination
There we go! Thanks!
To say I’m skeptical of the “young earth” argument is an understatement in the extreme, but I’ll give your links a fair reading. I’d like to read an argument other than, “the dating method is false because the Bible says the Earth was created on this date, and the results from the experiment don’t match up with what the Bible says.”
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Do come back and share your thoughts. I’m always interested what a fair and open-minded person thinks no matter where they currently stand on the issue, they are hard to find especially on he Internet, ha.
We get their publications in the mail, and what I think they do an excellent job highlighting is when a new scientific discovery is made how theories are changed. It’s good perspective what a daunting subject it is with so many factors and assumptions built in. Some of their own work and theories, I don’t know what I think, I think I’d need more expertise in the field to come up with my own resolve on the matter, but certainly they follow and are a great resource into the topic.
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davidk on November 22, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Your link doesn’t go to any specific article.
If “our current understanding” is in fact incorrect, which it has been in the past, then we can cross that bridge when we come to it. As of right now, however, the current understanding is 4.5 billion years. Voters will appreciate a candidate that has passing familiarity with current scientific consensus, particular if that candidate might end up having some say in how the voters’ children are educated.
Keep in mind that if radiometric dating is false, then much more than just the age of the Earth is in doubt. The age of pretty much everything is in doubt, plus our basic understanding of how atoms react, which would fly in the face of 200 years of science that was not directly involved in determining the age of the Earth.
People know that scientific understanding changes over time. If a number of scientists offer significant evidence that the Earth is much younger than what we think, then gradually people will accept that.
But for the vast majority of Americans, if a professor with a Ph.D. in geology is claiming that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and a minister is claiming that Earth is 6-10 thousand years old because of how he interpreted a series of passages in the Bible, the scientist will get the benefit of the doubt every time.
That’s the reality of our culture. You may not like it, but you have to deal with it.
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Bawling about voter fraud after a decisive loss didn’t help the liberals and it won’t help you.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Kinda like climate change and Obamacare, right? The “experts” are certainly flawless in their conclusions there too.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM
1. No Next In Line. It gives the Enemy an idea what to expect, and a lot of stuff can happen in four years.
2. We need our own 21st century media and tech people, to bring the campaign up to date. Nobody had the savvy to pre-test ORCA before its premiere date? Dude, I make a living dealing with folks like that on the phone and real life.
3. The candidate him/herself needs to be familiar with 21st century tech. Everybody can tell when a Tweet or Facebook post is not in the candidate’s voice, but in the focus-grouped voice of the designated techno-geek for the Technophobe McOldiepants campaign.
Sekhmet on November 22, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Even a PhD. could see the link I provided references specific articles. And these articles are PhD written and call into question the reality of radiometric dating–based on science.
That’s the reality of our
culturescience. You may not like it, but you have to deal with it.davidk on November 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM
But bawling about voter fraud and finding the perps may prevent it in the future.
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Rubio is being “moneyed”? Did he win the lottery or sumthin?
tommy71 on November 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Ok, point taken. So lets go put some people away.
MelonCollie on November 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM
And I hope you got exactly what you wanted in the results.
thebrokenrattle on November 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM
I think being Romney’d in this case, isn’t about the age of the earth, it’s about being on both sides of the question. Rubio has to pick one and stick to it. Doesn’t matter which one, as the answer will always be wrong to someone.
We don’t need another politician afraid to offend. We need politicians who will be bold.
RINOs are people too on November 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM
That’s what the article I referenced attempts to do.
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM
No, it doesn’t. The link you provided lands on an empty page by Creation Ministries International. The link automatically redirects itself to http://creation.com/search
Even with the search function, I need more than just “6399″
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM
JimLennon is right: The link only goes to http://creation.com/search and does not give any articles.
eforhan on November 22, 2012 at 11:27 AM
How the heck does Obamacare figure into a candidate knowing what current science says about the age of the Earth?
Sorry, but climate change is real. Doubt me? Look at the “Little Ice Age” of a few hundred years ago, where temperatures plummeted all of a sudden. How about the Ice Ages of 10-25,000 years ago. They actually happened. Climates change over time. To deny it is ridiculous!
What you need to do is call the Left out their assertions that climate change is something that can be “reversed” by surrendering massive amounts of political and economic power to “those who can save us”, which inevitably turn out to be…the Left!
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM
I think when people say “climate change” it’s a shortcut for “anthropogenic climate change”. You’re probably right it’s good to differentiate, though, since somehow being against illegal immigration has morphed into being against all immigration.
eforhan on November 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Voter fraud? C’mon.
So far Mitt has received 200,000 more votes than McCain. And he still lost.
2-3 million more votes still uncounted in New York and California, and you know which way those are going. This will put Obama up by at least 6 million votes.
That’s a lot of fraud. Why is it easier to think that Americans are cheaters on a vast scale, than to to admit that people didn’t like Mitt?
RINOs are people too on November 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM
But wouldn’t you like it to stop in the future? Why not try to do something for NEXT time?
I’m really amazed that people know there’s a problem, b!tch about it, but either won’t speak up or do anything about it expecting “the next guy” to figure it out.
kim roy on November 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM
Oops.
http://creation.com/article/6399
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Thank you. We’re letting the Left set the terms of the debate with their choice of words. You’ll notice how they freely switch from “global warming” to “climate change” when the weather doesn’t seem “warm” enough to convince people that “global warming” is real.
Your immigration analogy is a good one, too.
And with regards to the age of the Earth, I’m not asking anyone to repudiate their religious beliefs. All I’m asking is that candidates at least be familiar with what current science says, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.
None of us agree with socialism or communism, but we all try to have a passing familiarity with it so we can argue against it, right?
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Mr. Limbaugh’s shout out to Hot Air and Allahpundit notwithstanding (yay!), his broadcast’s “How old is the earth” comparison, judged equally (on a human scale), would favor Barack Obama which was certainly not the comparison’s intention:
Marco Rubio, (2012)
I’m not a scientist, man.
I can tell you what recorded history says
I can tell you what the bible says
But that’s a dispute among theologians
It has nothing to do with the GDP
Economic growth of the country
The age of the universe has zero to do with
How our economy’s gonna grow.
I’m not a scientist
I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that
…I think there are multiple theories out there
on how the universe was created.
Barack Obama, (2008)
[I would tell my daughters] I believe God created the universe
and that six days in the bible may not be
six days as we understand.
It may not be twenty-four hour days
I know that there’s always been a debate between
those who read the bible literally
and those who don’t.
I think that’s a legitimate debate.
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM
That doesn’t work. ?
In the “search” window type “radiometric dating.”
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM
My apologies.
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM
So do you folks. Romney could have won FL without Gary Johnson.
hawkdriver on November 22, 2012 at 12:11 PM
I guess I was under the incorrect assumption by some of your other comments over the years that you were a person of faith believing in The Bible. My bad.
hawkdriver on November 22, 2012 at 12:14 PM
http://creation.com/radiometric-dating-questions-and-answers
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Sadly, I agree. Rubio’s response makes him sound airheaded, but that just might be how the transcription reads. “I’m not a scientist, maaaaan!“. Obama’s response sounds more mature, if a bit pandering.
There we go! Thanks!
To say I’m skeptical of the “young earth” argument is an understatement in the extreme, but I’ll give your links a fair reading. I’d like to read an argument other than, “the dating method is false because the Bible says the Earth was created on this date, and the results from the experiment don’t match up with what the Bible says.”
JimLennon on November 22, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Fair enough.
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM
And I agree with your take on the responses to the question. Rubio did sound a bit too glib.
As others have stated, conservative candidates need to learn to anticipate these kinds of questions.
davidk on November 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Yes, this.
There are all kinds of PhDs that study creation, some are young earth, some aren’t, all different combinations of possible theories, but it’s not just “ministers” that believe creation or young earth, but scientists that do believe and study the evidence for it are shunned just like the scientists that are AGW “deniers”. Yet we are supposed to give a head nod to what current theory the peer pressure mainstream scientific community is telling us. Like we should always say, “well current scientific research shows us the human activity will make the temperatures will rise 1.5 degrees in the next several decades rising the sea levels tens of feet and risking millions of lives…” and then some lame disclaimer for the base. It’s exact true same and we’re always conceding the argument to the other side. Rubio’s answer was fine. There is no reason the small vocal few that we probably can’t sway their vote anyway needs to make us alienate our base.
rose-of-sharon on November 22, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Oops, the quote in quote thing didn’t work like I expected, I was agreeing this this
rose-of-sharon on November 22, 2012 at 12:59 PM
The solution isn’t to bicker on threads like this an nitpick every candidate we consider
The solution is to play their game, but better. Punch back twice as hard, as Glenn Reynolds would say
Time to poison Hillary’s legacy now. Hammer her on Benghazi and all her Middle East failures. Dredge up all of Bill’s disgusting perversions, deflate the rosy illusion people have of his tenure.
We need to spend 4 years destroying Hillary, then Cuomo or whoever else comes to the forefront. Starting now.
Our nominee can be Reagan incarnate in 2016, it won’t matter if we let Hillary preen in the media unscathed to the nomination
We can play their game, and do it better.
thurman on November 22, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Do come back and share your thoughts. I’m always interested what a fair and open-minded person thinks no matter where they currently stand on the issue, they are hard to find especially on he Internet, ha.
We get their publications in the mail, and what I think they do an excellent job highlighting is when a new scientific discovery is made how theories are changed. It’s good perspective what a daunting subject it is with so many factors and assumptions built in. Some of their own work and theories, I don’t know what I think, I think I’d need more expertise in the field to come up with my own resolve on the matter, but certainly they follow and are a great resource into the topic.
rose-of-sharon on November 22, 2012 at 1:27 PM
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