Some Dems: Drive over the fiscal cliff, then bargain
If the “fiscal cliff” takes effect, congressional Republicans would feel pressure to give ground in several areas to achieve their top goal: restoring tax cuts for as many people as possible. That’s why Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and other Democrats have said their party’s leaders should seriously consider letting the Jan. 1 deadline pass and then negotiate with Republicans under sharply different circumstances. Some or most of any new agreements could be made retroactive to Jan. 1, they say.
If Republicans refuse to let tax cuts expire for the wealthy, Murray told ABC’s “This Week,” ”we will reach a point at the end of this year where all the tax cuts expire and we’ll start over next year. And whatever we do will be a tax cut for whatever package we put together. That may be the way to get past this.”
Murray’s allies say voters would blame Republicans for refusing to yield, especially on tax rates, given that Obama won re-election. A recent Pew Research poll supports that view. More than half of the respondents said they would chiefly blame congressional Republicans if there’s no compromise on the fiscal cliff; 29 percent would blame Obama.
It’s questionable whether Obama and Congress’ Democratic leaders would let the government go over the fiscal cliff. Numerous financial analysts say the event would frighten markets, alarm employers and probably trigger a new recession.
However, there’s a school of thought that the cliff is actually a slope, and the economy could withstand the effects of the automatic spending cuts and the renewal of Clinton-era tax rates for at least a few weeks to give time for negotiations to continue. Liberals note that tax rate increases would be felt gradually.









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Great. There’s a chance Republicans will get the blame when Democrats puposefully run out the clock. And the media will portray it in the Democrats favor.
They’re good. Irresponsible and borderline evil, but good at scheming.
drewwerd on November 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM
So the GOP will feel pressure but the democrats will not? Lol?
I say let it happen too. Why? Because going off the cliff is the only chance we actually have of deficit reduction.
jhffmn on November 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Anyway, by the time the cliff is reached people will be more concerned that their employer reduced their hours to 28 a week to avoid Obamacare penalties.
We’ll have more pressing issues to discuss.
jhffmn on November 21, 2012 at 12:05 AM
this isn’t news. Murray has been in a hostage taking mode for months. I say..call their bluff. there’s a good change the economy will slow down anyway…call their bluff guys…they’ll get the blame
r keller on November 21, 2012 at 12:14 AM
and since the repubs are too chickenshit to do anything about it our nation is boned. Yeah that Boehner and McConell, real tempered steel there.
arnold ziffel on November 21, 2012 at 12:16 AM
I want to make this omelette. Let’s see what happens.
the botnet on November 21, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Ready when you are, Democrats. Hit the accelerator!
Punchenko on November 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Ramirez
Schadenfreude on November 21, 2012 at 12:23 AM
lib
growl on November 21, 2012 at 12:25 AM
How about an Executive/Congressional Cliff where we drive all of their sorry asses off the banks of the Potomac with pitchforks, torches and snarling pit bulls, never to hear from any of them again?
justltl on November 21, 2012 at 12:30 AM
What a dummy
Schadenfreude on November 21, 2012 at 12:37 AM
When did the people in this country get so f-ing stupid?
WisCon on November 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM
Of course they will, that was their plan all along
Don’t compromise on anything.
Let all Bush tax cuts expire.
Let massive defense cuts occur.
The MSM will give them cover and paint the Repubs as extremists all along
Then come back and pass the new “Obama tax cuts” to restore the Bush rates for only below 250K
Then restore spending for all entitlements and useless federal programs, but keep the defense cuts in place.
This has been their gambit all along.
P.S. The Libs’ insistence on pushing such incompetent, uncharismatic token women like Pelosi, DWS, and Patty Murphy to leadership positions is really hysterical. We should be thankful for this small gift at least.
thurman on November 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM
Not that it makes the story any less true, but its over a week old.
clancy_wiggum on November 21, 2012 at 2:59 AM
You know, I get the sense a lot of players are being too smart for their own good.
rob verdi on November 21, 2012 at 6:10 AM
Let’s go over the cliff. Republicans should quote liberal economists like Krugman who states taxes send economies into overdrive.
darwin on November 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM
The other option is to let them raise taxes on “the rich”. It will have the predictable effect and no matter how hard the socialists try to blame Republicans they can’t because it’s been Obama’s idea the entire time. He ran on this very point.
Let them raise taxes.
darwin on November 21, 2012 at 7:43 AM
Dems- inflict pain to curry favor. Sadly it seems to work.
wolly4321 on November 21, 2012 at 8:19 AM
The fact that this type of action by the government seems to threaten our economy should be a sign to a sane electorate that the government is too damned big.
Until there is a major player in DC to stand up and declare, “We cannot afford all of this government” it is all a kabuki dance.
Nathan_OH on November 21, 2012 at 9:03 AM
The new socialists don’t care about the state of the economy anyway, or about the deficit, or about the national debt.
The worse the economy is the better for them as long as they can shift the blame to evil greedy capitalism and Republicans. Then they will advocate further wealth confiscation and redistribution, further government regulation of and control over businesses, and further government economic planning and control over finance. Any opposition will be labelled
counterrevolutionaryobstructionism.If only
Der FuehrerComrade Chairman Obama could be given dictatorial power all would be well. The source of all the nation’s problems,the JewsRepublicans and conservatives, would be put in their place, no longer able to undermine the glorious selfless efforts ofDer FuehrerDear Leader.farsighted on November 21, 2012 at 9:07 AM
The economy has already reached the point of no return on the road to complete collapse. Soon the US dollar will no longer be the world’s reserve currency. When that happens a currency collapse and hyperinflation is inevitable. It can’t be stopped.
The Republicans should tell the Democrats and Obama voters, “You won. We’ll get out of the way and go along with whatever you want.”
If they do anything else they will get the blame for the storm that’s coming.
single stack on November 21, 2012 at 9:56 AM