Comments on: Europe’s new fascists

By: slickwillie2001

slickwillie2001 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:25:32 +0000

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Charlemagne on November 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

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By: keep the change

keep the change — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:24:01 +0000

the more extreme the left becomes, the more extreme the response. I just wish these right wing parties would be smarter than to use nazi-style symbols. It does them no good politically to go out of their way to invoke the nazis, since nazis are sort of unpopular in the west. What they need to do is fight communism with whatever populist tactics work, while making themselves look like the good guys. People are low-information voters. That has been proven over and over again. So take advantage of that. Don’t sabotage yourself.

By: sharrukin

sharrukin — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:47:24 +0000

Culture does not necessarily mean race.

OldEnglish on November 18, 2012 at 8:44 PM

True, Mussolini wasn’t racist, just a Fascist.

By: OldEnglish

OldEnglish — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:44:47 +0000

Culture does not necessarily mean race.

By: sharrukin

sharrukin — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:38:46 +0000

Yes, their economic platform is certainly left wing,

Correct.

but their nationalism is undoubtedly of the right.

International socialists (Marxism) are socialists. National socialists (Fascism) are socialists. Being nationalist isn't right wing, or left wing.

It is a prime motivator of fascists

Fascists are leftists.

as well as other right wing movements, including contemporary American conservatism.

Some are and some are not.

Cultural purity is important to a right winger, whether they be extreme or moderate in this regard. ernesto on November 18, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Tell that to the Democratic KKK. Tell that to La Raza (The Race). Tell that to Black liberation theology. “Being in his quality as a [N-word redacted], a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.” - Friedrich Engels Was Friedrich Engels co-author of The Communist Manifesto also a right-winger?

By: ernesto

ernesto — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:22:28 +0000

sharrukin on November 18, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Yes, their economic platform is certainly left wing, but their nationalism is undoubtedly of the right. It is a prime motivator of fascists as well as other right wing movements, including contemporary American conservatism. Cultural purity is important to a right winger, whether they be extreme or moderate in this regard.

By: sharrukin

sharrukin — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:19:49 +0000

Right wing? http://xaameriki.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/golden-dawn-ideology-our-real-socialism/ We spit on the face of Right-wing traitors, spit their loyalty to the Zionist regime, spit their political respectability! Who was actually the benefited of the massive invasion of foreign manpower in our country? It was undoubtedly the class of capitalists, especially great contractos of the state, those who set up a dance festival of wasting the money of the People, for the Olympic 2004 Games. We proclaimed then and shout even today with the full power of Our Soul: The Left seeks the role of the pimp in the labour movement so they can then push them in the claws of international capitalism. Under the title “People’s money back to people,” we organized – and will continue to do that-food distributions to our compatriots who have real need. With the program “Work for Greeks” we try-and will continue to do so-to relieve our compatriots who are looking for work. With the establishment of a blood bank only for Greeks we finally pay another debt to our breed, giving the holiest of our goods to the Greek people. THIS IS OUR SOCIALISM! This project is a case of a genuine social and Nationalist Movement, which is required to be the guarantor of the unity of our people. And will soon come the day anticipated by the sky, the earth and the sea, the day awaited by the whole volk, a volk stricken by desperation and poverty but still proud, the day when in front of our leaders will stand millions of Nationalist Fighters, with faith stronger than Fire. And then there will be no power in the world to stand against our iron will for a social nationalist revolution! Hail the leader! Hail the Movement! Hail Victory! And... anti-capitalist The party has an environmentalist affiliate organization called Green Wing, whose blog features articles about recycling, organic farming, the blight of strip mall construction, and traditional ways of harvesting olives. Green Wing has also promoted eugenics. “In [the] secular state there is no social stratification based on income-economic classes. The popular classes are collaborating organic[ally], other groups of people with special abilities and production skills each. Just like in a living body. The different systems contribute harmoniously and in full cooperation for their survival.” On one side, the free market is “only the vehicle [of] internationalist capital, banks and moneylenders.” Adam Smith’s “theory of the ‘invisible hand’” (the belief that free markets channel selfish behavior into social benefits) has been disproved, because on “one finger of the hand, [is a] shining gold ring with the star of David!”

By: ernesto

ernesto — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:16:07 +0000

And you’ve been here long enough to know full well that groups like Golden Dawn fit comfortably within the ideological spectrum of the Left and not the Right. Paying or cancer medicine? Sounds like welfare state liberalism to me.

Charlemagne on November 18, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Well that’s just the thing; they pull an inverse libertarianism. They take the economic policy of the left and the nationalism from the right, just as libertarians take the economic policy from the right and their decided anti-nationalism from the left.

By: Seth Halpern

Seth Halpern — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:07:00 +0000

@ernesto: The problem isn’t immigration per se, it’s the presence on our border of a large, dysfunctional country with a 175-year-old grudge against us and a consequent belief that it’s morally entitled to exploit our politics and even change the demographic balance to its own advantage. No other country in the world can be so characterized and no other country poses comparable challenges to American culture. No European elites fantasized that Ellis Island would be the beachhead in a political-cultural war to neutralize Yankee ascendancy, and no Yankees would ever have dreamed of ceding cultural ground in any such imagined conflict .

By: Charlemagne

Charlemagne — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:57:30 +0000

Why is the Hot Air logo always over the Submit button these days?