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Polling conservative bloggers on what the GOP should learn from 2012
5) How can the GOP most effectively reach out to Hispanic voters?
D) By financing and supporting conservative versions of groups like La Raza and MEChA to reach out on our behalf in the Hispanic community. 38.1% (24 votes)
E) By running more Spanish language ads, recruiting more Hispanic candidates and reaching out more aggressively through the RNC, NRSC, NRCC, etc. 33.3% (21 votes)
F) By continuing to do what we’re already doing and waiting for Hispanic voters to come to us. 14.3% (9 votes)
A) By offering comprehensive immigration reform or a path to citizenship for illegal aliens? 12.7% (8 votes)
B) By offering to give illegal aliens a legal status other than citizenships? 1.6% (1 votes)
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I’m guessing you’re choosing to not continue our debate because you see the inconsistencies in your argument. Libertains-1, SoCon-0.
rndmusrnm on November 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM
How many voters do you think knew about this? They shoved Gov. Martinez into the 8 o’clock hour at the RNC convention, when she should have been the keynote speaker instead of Krispy Kreme Christie. The speech she gave would have been electrifying had she given it as the keynote in prime time. It would have vaulted her into 2016 speculation as much as Barack Obama’s 2004 speech did. It was spectacular, and she is unbelievably authentic while also charismatic and funny.
Only Rubio was put on in prime time, and that was as much because of Florida as it was because he is Hispanic.
rockmom on November 16, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Then how did Bush win 40% of their votes in 2004? You talk about his push for immigration reform but all that came in 2005 and 2007 AFTER he had won 40% of their votes in 2004. Just like a liberal, history is your worst enemy.
alchemist19 on November 16, 2012 at 3:25 PM
I have argued with libertarians before.
Most of you don’t understand the constitution you claim to follow, or the founders who wrote it.
sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 3:30 PM
It’s known as equal justice under law. Either push for a national solution or push for secession, but make up your mind and stop trying to pick the worst of both worlds.
Stoic Patriot on November 16, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Agreed! Marco Rubio’s speech, though not the charming stemwinder that Ms. Martinez’s was, was pretty danged good! It was his misfortune to get sandwiched in between the bizarre (Clint Eastwood instead of the gorgeous biographical film that played just before network primetime), and the thuddingly dull (Mr. Romney’s acceptan-zzzzzz).
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Because he was handing out the goodies, his family married into the Hispanic community and he was promising amnesty.
Back in September 2001, THE NEW AMERICAN observed regarding the Bush-Fox amnesty threat: “The Bush administration has been torturing the English language in an effort to craft a new amnesty for millions of illegal aliens without saying the dread word: ‘amnesty.’
That’s as far back as 2001 so yeah, like a liberal, history is your worst enemy.
sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM
The New American? We’re treating The New American as if it’s a credible and reliable source of information? The New American is the official publication of The John Birch Society. Mr. Buckley labeled them paranoid and idiotic for a good reason.
alchemist19 on November 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM
I take that back. PLEASE tell me you’re a Bircher. Everything will immediately come into sharp focus.
alchemist19 on November 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM
http://www.macon.com/2012/11/14/2248370/king-outreach-to-hispanic-voters.html
No less that the ever-pandering GOP Texan George W. Bush, who promised amnesty in his 2004 re-election campaign, got less than 40 percent of the Hispanic vote.
http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/20772192/article-%E2%80%98Amnesty-again%E2%80%99-wrong-answer–for-GOP-in-2016?instance=secondary_story_left_column
Even the super-Hispandering GOP Texan George W. Bush, who promised amnesty in his 2004 re-election campaign, got less than 40 percent of the Hispanic vote. Republican John McCain got 31 percent of the Latino vote despite his promise of amnesty “on day one” in 2008.
sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM
You’ve gone from quoting the magazine of The John Birch Society to quoting two articles written by the same man who appears to be a white nationalist and who doesn’t provide any sourced documentation for his claims. How much deeper are you going to dig this hole before you figure out you’ve lost?
alchemist19 on November 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM
You have no argument so you attack the source…like a liberal.
Here’s another right-wing filth saying the exact same thing…
John O’Sullivan
National Review
January 06, 2004
Amnesty Trapdoor
What is the president thinking on immigration?
In comedy, when you see a man walking straight towards an open trapdoor, his eyes fixed on the far horizon, you laugh. In politics, when you see the same thing, you wonder why.
Just now President Bush is striding three-quarters of the way to “open borders” immigration policy. According to the Washington Post, Mr. Bush will next week announce an immigration package with three new elements:
1. A new visa system for “temporary” workers who would be allowed into the U.S. if there were jobs unfilled by Americans waiting for them (i.e., a new guest-worker program.)
2. Some kind of “legal status” for the estimated eight million “undocumented workers” in the U.S., i.e., an amnesty for illegal aliens.
3. Stricter entry controls “to make the plan more palatable to conservatives.”
Even on its own terms, Mr. Bush’s plan is full of holes.
sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM
I’ll attack any source that isn’t credible. For me it’s not the seriousness of the charge that persuades me, it’s the nature of the evidence. Evidence presented by The John Birch Society is not persuasive because those people are paranoid idiots.
But now you’re bringing me National Review so you’re getting better. Heck, this should be really easy for you. O’Sullivan quotes the Washington Post saying Bush was a week away from announcing an immigration policy with three key elements so it should be really easy for you to find a news story from January of 2004 where Bush did announce all that, not to mention some Youtube videos or something of him talking about that on the campaign trail later that year.
alchemist19 on November 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Just to clarify in case I didn’t state it plainly enough, I do remember the changes Bush asked for in early 2004 but nothing of substance happened, it was far from a full blown amnesty, and he the left excoriated him on it.
And I totally disagree with O’Sullivan’s “open borders” nonsense.
alchemist19 on November 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM
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