SC.Charlie on November 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Wow, lighten up on the strawmen. For the record, this disrespectful, nasty and accusatory childish argument that ultimately is “Disagree with me and you are a bigot” is PRECISELY why I oppose gay marriage. That, and as others noted, the threat it is to actual constitutional rights — you know, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of conscience. That’s more important to me than the state giving a victim class special recognition.

And yet, naturally, all you have in response is that I just hate teh gheys. When in fact I am non-religious, mostly libertarian on social issues (which unlike most libertarians realizes that does NOT mean social liberalism) and don’t give a damn who or what you like to fuck.

I hope your homosexual son or daughter well. And, that they know their place at the back of the bus. BTW, every child these days learns about human sexuality one way or another. If you want to indoctrinate your children that homosexual people are inferior or immoral, I guess that is your choice. Have a happy Thanksgiving and be sure to pass the gravy over to your lesbian first cousin to the right of you at the dinner table.

SC.Charlie on November 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Look I know that you have had a hard time of it coming out, but don’t you think you are assuming a little much about me. You are flinging the same “if you are against homosexual marriage” then you must be homophobic” victim mentality that I have come to know and love out of homosexuals. I don’t indoctrinate my children to see homosexuals as inferior, and my children are quite comfortable with people who are different and may “love” someone different. That doesn’t mean that I think the STATE can force me to let them teach something. If YOU don’t understand that, then you really aren’t for equality and liberty-just your own pet interest group. BTW, I don’t support being a single parent, divorce or polygamy-but I don’t hate people or think they are inferior than me who do. And I was also very progay marriage until I got wind of the fascist victim mentality that most of you have.

There are other things that are affected by marriage other than other’s marriage. How about all the PRIVATE businesses being sued for discrimination if they don’t want to associate with gay marriage? How about the parents who are forced by the judiciary and can’t opt out of their children learning about homosexuality? You don’t want socons to force their morals down your throat, but the gay that be have NO PROBLEM using the judiciary to shove their morals down socons throat. Gay marriage will effect freedom of association and freedom of religion. And there will be a constitutional repercussion of protecting something as complex and self-identifying as a sexual orientation. And if it is unconstitutional for states to regulate who can and can’t marry in their own interests then polygamy will follow, because it will be unconstitutional to deny them marriage licenses as well. And the last point of fact, the state recognizing ANY private relationship is big government. – melle1228 on November 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I don’t care if you are in the closet out or love five people mmkkay. So no need to go back in the closet. Just like I don’t care if people are single parents etc. as long as my family is NOT effected by it. And if one of my children came out as homosexual, I would continue to love them unconditionally like I do now, but I STILL WOULDN’T SUPPORT gay marriage. – melle1228 on November 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM

I hope your homosexual son or daughter well. And, that they know their place at the back of the bus. BTW, every child these days learns about human sexuality one way or another. If you want to indoctrinate your children that homosexual people are inferior or immoral, I guess that is your choice. Have a happy Thanksgiving and be sure to pass the gravy over to your lesbian first cousin to the right of you at the dinner table.

Well, then let’s all send those horrible gays back into closet. When are people such as yourselves going to grow up? My guess is never. Perhaps one of you will grow up when one of your children tells you that he or she is homosexual.

SC.Charlie on November 16, 2012 at 3:00 PM

I don’t care if you are in the closet out or love five people mmkkay. So no need to go back in the closet. Just like I don’t care if people are single parents etc. as long as my family is NOT effected by it. And if one of my children came out as homosexual, I would continue to love them unconditionally like I do now, but I STILL WOULDN’T SUPPORT gay marriage.

There are other things that are affected by marriage other than other’s marriage. How about all the PRIVATE businesses being sued for discrimination if they don’t want to associate with gay marriage? How about the parents who are forced by the judiciary and can’t opt out of their children learning about homosexuality? You don’t want socons to force their morals down your throat, but the gay that be have NO PROBLEM using the judiciary to shove their morals down socons throat. Gay marriage will effect freedom of association and freedom of religion. And there will be a constitutional repercussion of protecting something as complex and self-identifying as a sexual orientation. And if it is unconstitutional for states to regulate who can and can’t marry in their own interests then polygamy will follow, because it will be unconstitutional to deny them marriage licenses as well. And the last point of fact, the state recognizing ANY private relationship is big government. – melle1228 on November 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM

This is exactly the problem with the state recognizing gay “marriage.” – I couldn’t agree more. – Othniel on November 16, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Well, then let’s all send those horrible gays back into closet. When are people such as yourselves going to grow up? My guess is never. Perhaps one of you will grow up when one of your children tells you that he or she is homosexual.

There are other things that are affected by marriage other than other’s marriage. How about all the PRIVATE businesses being sued for discrimination if they don’t want to associate with gay marriage? How about the parents who are forced by the judiciary and can’t opt out of their children learning about homosexuality? You don’t want socons to force their morals down your throat, but the gay that be have NO PROBLEM using the judiciary to shove their morals down socons throat. Gay marriage will effect freedom of association and freedom of religion. And there will be a constitutional repercussion of protecting something as complex and self-identifying as a sexual orientation. And if it is unconstitutional for states to regulate who can and can’t marry in their own interests then polygamy will follow, because it will be unconstitutional to deny them marriage licenses as well. And the last point of fact, the state recognizing ANY private relationship is big government.

melle1228 on November 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM

This is exactly the problem with the state recognizing gay “marriage.”
I couldn’t agree more.

Of course the answer to my simple question, does same sex marriage effect anyone’s “traditional marriage”, is of course it doesn’t. The vows you and your husband took between the two of you were personal vows given to one another. But the state recognizes those vows and your marriage. And, your marriage can only be dissolved by the state.

SC.Charlie on November 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

There are other things that are affected by marriage other than other’s marriage. How about all the PRIVATE businesses being sued for discrimination if they don’t want to associate with gay marriage? How about the parents who are forced by the judiciary and can’t opt out of their children learning about homosexuality? You don’t want socons to force their morals down your throat, but the gay that be have NO PROBLEM using the judiciary to shove their morals down socons throat. Gay marriage will effect freedom of association and freedom of religion. And there will be a constitutional repercussion of protecting something as complex and self-identifying as a sexual orientation. And if it is unconstitutional for states to regulate who can and can’t marry in their own interests then polygamy will follow, because it will be unconstitutional to deny them marriage licenses as well. And the last point of fact, the state recognizing ANY private relationship is big government.

No, but that is the specious argument that YOU made not me. And BTW, the peice of paper that I from the state 21 years ago doesn’t effect my relationship either. Our commitment doesn’t have anything to do with the state sanctioning or not sanctioning it. – melle1228 on November 16, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Of course the answer to my simple question, does same sex marriage effect anyone’s “traditional marriage”, is of course it doesn’t. The vows you and your husband took between the two of you were personal vows given to one another. But the state recognizes those vows and your marriage. And, your marriage can only be dissolved by the state.

Congratulations, do you think that same sex marriage will effect you marriage in any way?

No, but that is the specious argument that YOU made not me. And BTW, the peice of paper that I from the state 21 years ago doesn’t effect my relationship either. Our commitment doesn’t have anything to do with the state sanctioning or not sanctioning it.

Even though Romney was not for same sex marriage during the past election, I did vote for him. There are far more important issues than same sex that decided for myself for whom I would vote.