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	<title>Comments on: Vegetative patient communicates to doctors: I&#8217;m not in pain</title>
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		<title>By: DarkCurrent</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkCurrent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Facility, where she received neurological testing and regular speech and occupational therapy until 1994

HotAirian on November 13, 2012 at 2:20 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did she respond to it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Facility, where she received neurological testing and regular speech and occupational therapy until 1994</p>
<p>HotAirian on November 13, 2012 at 2:20 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Did she respond to it?</p>
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		<title>By: squint</title>
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		<dc:creator>squint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fatal flaw of certainty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fatal flaw of certainty.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;[PetecminMd on November 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for that info.  It would be interesting to see a vid like the one at the link using CAT scans or one comparing the two different methods so as to know how each method compares to each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[PetecminMd on November 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM]</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for that info.  It would be interesting to see a vid like the one at the link using CAT scans or one comparing the two different methods so as to know how each method compares to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: PetecminMd</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetecminMd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Dusty on November 13, 2012 at 2:50 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Schiavo&#039;s brain scans looked more like the scan on the far right in the video, but as two darkened hemispheres and with medial longitudinal fissure still recognizable.

They could only do CAT scans on Schiavo because of stimulating electrodes that were implanted in her head. MRIs would have been useless because of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dusty on November 13, 2012 at 2:50 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Schiavo&#8217;s brain scans looked more like the scan on the far right in the video, but as two darkened hemispheres and with medial longitudinal fissure still recognizable.</p>
<p>They could only do CAT scans on Schiavo because of stimulating electrodes that were implanted in her head. MRIs would have been useless because of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Enstine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Enstine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;When will we realize that science is not exhaustive knowledge?

John_Locke on November 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Unless it&#039;s AGW or evolution because that science is settled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When will we realize that science is not exhaustive knowledge?</p>
<p>John_Locke on November 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Unless it&#8217;s AGW or evolution because that science is settled.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Because brain scans are infallable? Because we know everything there is to know about the mind? Reality based!

[sheikh of thornton on November 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did you watch that short vid at the link?

I know nil about the the tech from which conclusions are reached on brain deadness, but it seems to me the right brain is clearly dead.  The question wrt Schiavo is what her brain looked like relative to the three in the vid and I&#039;ve never seen one produced which would cut through everyone&#039;s verbal descriptions of her brain.

Has anyone else seen one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Because brain scans are infallable? Because we know everything there is to know about the mind? Reality based!</p>
<p>[sheikh of thornton on November 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM]</p></blockquote>
<p>Did you watch that short vid at the link?</p>
<p>I know nil about the the tech from which conclusions are reached on brain deadness, but it seems to me the right brain is clearly dead.  The question wrt Schiavo is what her brain looked like relative to the three in the vid and I&#8217;ve never seen one produced which would cut through everyone&#8217;s verbal descriptions of her brain.</p>
<p>Has anyone else seen one?</p>
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		<title>By: WashingtonsWake</title>
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		<dc:creator>WashingtonsWake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read all these posts about hoping the husband feels guilt etc etc. Liberals do not think like that. They are not tortured by these decisions. They don&#039;t worry. They are certain in their rectitude. They aren&#039;t like a conservative, there&#039;s nothing to worry about or think about or consider. In their minds, suppose they were wrong, does a life trapped in a bed unable to communicate have any value? No, to them it doesn&#039;t, so even if they were wrong about the level of cognition, it&#039;s irrelevant.  Same with babies in the womb. There is no &#039;thought&#039; or quality of life there. The baby knows nothing and nothing different than the nothing, so there&#039;s nothing to feel bad about in ending the life. Liberalism does not consider life in the same way that a conservative does.

Even after birth, liberal mothers are more willing to go back to work and less tortured about it. Their self-ness is more important than their child&#039;s wellbeing. 

Assisted suicide is another example - the value of the life lies in the ability to express and enjoy, not to be loved and love. 

Liberalism even views love differently, as the physical component is far more valuable than the spiritual. Liberals are far more likely to get divorced over a bad sex life than conservatives. 

Anyways, you can hope that Terry Schiavo&#039;s husband will think about this, but he won&#039;t. It is completley irrelevant to him and he will sleep fine and face no guilt whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read all these posts about hoping the husband feels guilt etc etc. Liberals do not think like that. They are not tortured by these decisions. They don&#8217;t worry. They are certain in their rectitude. They aren&#8217;t like a conservative, there&#8217;s nothing to worry about or think about or consider. In their minds, suppose they were wrong, does a life trapped in a bed unable to communicate have any value? No, to them it doesn&#8217;t, so even if they were wrong about the level of cognition, it&#8217;s irrelevant.  Same with babies in the womb. There is no &#8216;thought&#8217; or quality of life there. The baby knows nothing and nothing different than the nothing, so there&#8217;s nothing to feel bad about in ending the life. Liberalism does not consider life in the same way that a conservative does.</p>
<p>Even after birth, liberal mothers are more willing to go back to work and less tortured about it. Their self-ness is more important than their child&#8217;s wellbeing. </p>
<p>Assisted suicide is another example &#8211; the value of the life lies in the ability to express and enjoy, not to be loved and love. </p>
<p>Liberalism even views love differently, as the physical component is far more valuable than the spiritual. Liberals are far more likely to get divorced over a bad sex life than conservatives. </p>
<p>Anyways, you can hope that Terry Schiavo&#8217;s husband will think about this, but he won&#8217;t. It is completley irrelevant to him and he will sleep fine and face no guilt whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: PetecminMd</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetecminMd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Because brain scans are infallable? Because we know everything there is to know about the mind? Reality based!

sheikh of thornton on November 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The autopsy on Schiavo showed that significant portions of her brain had atrophied and liquified. Which confirmed what her scans showed.

She wasn&#039;t going to have a miraculous recovery, she wasn&#039;t going to ever respond to treatment, and any of the therapy they gave her was wasted. 

You can have a discussion about the morality of euthanasia if you want and how it relates to this story, but the Schiavo case was very different than what they are showing here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Because brain scans are infallable? Because we know everything there is to know about the mind? Reality based!</p>
<p>sheikh of thornton on November 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM </p></blockquote>
<p>The autopsy on Schiavo showed that significant portions of her brain had atrophied and liquified. Which confirmed what her scans showed.</p>
<p>She wasn&#8217;t going to have a miraculous recovery, she wasn&#8217;t going to ever respond to treatment, and any of the therapy they gave her was wasted. </p>
<p>You can have a discussion about the morality of euthanasia if you want and how it relates to this story, but the Schiavo case was very different than what they are showing here.</p>
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		<title>By: sheikh of thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheikh of thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;To all the morons making Schiavo comparisons:

Terry’s brain scan showed she was GONE.

A similar scan of Mr.Routley will show he is not.

MelonCollie on November 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because brain scans are infallable?  Because we know everything there is to know about the mind?  Reality based!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To all the morons making Schiavo comparisons:</p>
<p>Terry’s brain scan showed she was GONE.</p>
<p>A similar scan of Mr.Routley will show he is not.</p>
<p>MelonCollie on November 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM </p>
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<p>Because brain scans are infallable?  Because we know everything there is to know about the mind?  Reality based!</p>
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		<title>By: HotAirian</title>
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		<dc:creator>HotAirian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;MelonCollie on November 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In November, Michael Schiavo took her to the University of California, San Francisco for experimental nerve stimulation – the Thalamic stimulator. The treatment took several months but was unsuccessful. He returned to Florida with her in January 1991 and admitted her as an inpatient to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Bradenton, Florida. While there, he later said that he often took &quot;her to parks and public places in hopes of sparking some recovery.&quot; On July 19, 1991, Terri Schiavo was transferred to the Sabal Palms Skilled Care Facility, &lt;strong&gt;where she received neurological testing and regular speech and occupational therapy until 1994&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MelonCollie on November 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>In November, Michael Schiavo took her to the University of California, San Francisco for experimental nerve stimulation – the Thalamic stimulator. The treatment took several months but was unsuccessful. He returned to Florida with her in January 1991 and admitted her as an inpatient to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Bradenton, Florida. While there, he later said that he often took &#8220;her to parks and public places in hopes of sparking some recovery.&#8221; On July 19, 1991, Terri Schiavo was transferred to the Sabal Palms Skilled Care Facility, <strong>where she received neurological testing and regular speech and occupational therapy until 1994</strong></p>
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