In defense of the electoral college
1) Certainty of Outcome
A dispute over the outcome of an Electoral College vote is possible—it happened in 2000—but it’s less likely than a dispute over the popular vote. The reason is that the winning candidate’s share of the Electoral College invariably exceeds his share of the popular vote. In last week’s election, for example, Obama received 61.7 percent of the electoral vote compared to only 51.3 percent of the popular votes cast for him and Romney. (I ignore the scattering of votes not counted for either candidate.) Because almost all states award electoral votes on a winner-take-all basis, even a very slight plurality in a state creates a landslide electoral-vote victory in that state. A tie in the nationwide electoral vote is possible because the total number of votes—538—is an even number, but it is highly unlikely; it has not occurred since 1824.
Of course a tie in the number of popular votes in a national election in which tens of millions of votes are cast is even more unlikely. But if the difference in the popular vote is small, then if the winner of the popular vote were deemed the winner of the presidential election, the losing candidate would have an incentive to seek a recount in the states in which he’d lost by only a small margin. So, for that matter, would the winner in states that he had lost or that he had won by only a small margin in order to shore up his overall vote total. The lawyers would go to work in state after state to have the votes recounted, and the result would be debilitating uncertainty, delay, and conflict—look at the turmoil that a dispute limited to one state, Florida, engendered in 2000.








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My only concern is that based on the number of votes Obama lost since 2008, it’s entirely conceivable that the GOP candidate in 2016 can make up the remaining deficit of 3 million in the popular vote, but still fail to reach the necessary 270 EVs to win the Presidency.
I realize there are perils in dumping the electoral college, but I’m getting sick and tired of Presidential elections being decided by no more than 5 states(and in the case of 2000 and 2004, a single state).
Doughboy on November 13, 2012 at 11:51 AM
I’m not for dumping the electoral college, but I would be in favor of all states having to split their electoral votes like Maine and Nebraska. Not that it would happen – there are more “red” electoral votes to be gained than lot, so the Democrats would never go along with it, certainly not without giving D.C. actual representation in Congress. And even then they wouldn’t go along with it.
Jurisprudence on November 13, 2012 at 12:04 PM
The EC seems fairly necessary unless we want to completely jettison federalism.
As I understand it, each state is given a certain amount of electoral college votes. The state is allowed to apportion those votes in any way they see fit (including, not having an election at all if that’s what they decide).
If you get rid of the electoral college, it would then be required that every state have a popular vote.
Now, I get that it’s what the states do currently so it doesn’t seem like a big deal, but, the population of each state made the decision to have a popular vote (and then assign EC votes based on that result, some do proportional, most do winner takes all). That’s federalism.
Take that choice away and mandate a popular vote across all states and you’ve got something else entirely.
Of course, it would require a constitutional amendment to make that change and I don’t think any of our politicians know enough about the Constitution any more to figure that process out. My guess is that they’ll just try to pass a law (or an executive order!) making the change instead.
JadeNYU on November 13, 2012 at 12:08 PM
We don’t need to get rid of the electoral college. States just need to get rid of awarding “winner take all” electoral votes and go with a system like Nebraska, Maine, and New Hampshire use.
crosspatch on November 13, 2012 at 12:09 PM
If you give them up the mob will rule, every time.
The mob is stupid, every time.
As is, the stupidity alternates.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 12:09 PM
If states did that, and they can with a change to state law, it would virtually eliminate the possibility of a candidate winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote.
crosspatch on November 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Yet it would still limit the influence of a state to only the number of seats they have in Congress.
crosspatch on November 13, 2012 at 12:24 PM
I’m in favor of the EC and maybe the problem is the location of the population. Let’s implement Operation Populate Red States. We conservatives who live in the hopelessly blue useless libturd states like CA, NY, IL, etc. should start moving to red states to shift the population. It’s a long-term solution and might take a few generations if we last long enough but we have 8 years until the next census. Here are a few interesting “stats” about the EC:
Significant population/electoral vote shifts since 1980:
AZ from 6 up to 11
CA from 45 up to 55
FL from 17 up to 29
TX from 26 up to 38
IL from 26 down to 20
MI from 21 down to 16
NY from 41 down to 29
OH from 25 down to 18
PA from 27 down to 20
A candidate can win the necessary 270 EVs to secure the presidency by winning only 11 states. Voter fraud not included, only 3 of these states voted red in 2012:
CA 55
TX 38
NY 29
FL 29
PA 20
IL 20
OH 18
GA 16
MI 16
NC 15
NJ 14
stukinIL4now on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 PM
The problem with this idea you are giving whoever the party’s candidate in a House election a big influence on an electoral vote.
How many electoral votes which seem safely red might get turned when the the local house candidate says something stupid or gets caught with his pants down? This probably happens to a degree already but it’s defused by the vote across the state.
Rocks on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM
I think the EC is fine the way it is, and I like the “winner-take-all” as well…makes it cleaner, and makes it less likely we’ll have someone who didn’t collect an electoral majority. If we go to awarding the EC proportionally, you’ll have fringe parties in specific states campaigning. For example, you could have a “California Party” in California, and let’s say it gets 10 votes awarded to it. Let’s say similar parties pop up in Texas, Florida, and New York. Soon, all these splinter groups have some votes, and then we become Israel, where you have to form a government, and the small parties extract a significant price to join the government.
But the other thing not discussed in this article about why the EC is so good is that it limits voter fraud in states. If Obama wins CA by 2 million votes, what’s the incentive for voter fraud so that it’s a win by 3 million votes? If you go to a straight election based on popular vote, stuff like this would be happening all the time, IMHO.
asc85 on November 13, 2012 at 1:06 PM
I say eliminate the EC and make it 1 vote per state regardless of population (that precedent has been set by the number of senators per state being limited to an equal amount per state.) Whichever candidate wins the popular vote in a state gets that state’s 1 vote.
The president will then be selected by who wins the majority of states.
Our president is supposed to be the leader of all the states. The way it is now he/she only is concerned with the states that will garner enough EC votes and the rest can go pound sand as far as the candidates are concerned and that pattern continues after the election.
oldernwiser on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 PM
I would have added #6: it makes it more difficult to steal an election. The democratics have designed in ‘spigots’, sources of illegal votes in many of the big democratic cities that allows them to steal swing states and Senate seats. Take away the electoral college and the spigots can steal the entire country.
slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Something left out if we were using the popular vote locally depressed turnout due to weather could shift the results in a close election. Imagine the effects of Sandy making landfall a week later on the popular vote.
agmartin on November 13, 2012 at 1:51 PM