Moderates vs. conservatives over right-wing media
“These people have made politics a theater for identity politics for a segment of America, rather than a way to solve collective problems,” Frum told POLITICO, referring to conservative media commentators. “What is happening now, and it’s disturbing, is that this complex has sold the idea that conservatives are the real majority in America. That claim has been exposed as false. But they are turning on the country and leading their viewers toward alienation and rejection.”…
As moderates see it, the “conservative entertainment complex” of talk radio, Fox News, and right-wing blogs has an outsized and potentially fatal influence over the party, alienating Latinos with crass solutions to illegal immigration (“self-deportation”) and insulting women with disrespectful remarks about abortion and birth control…
“The usual suspects are out, and they’re saying, ‘Rush, we gotta reach out now to the Hispanics and reach out to the minorities, blacks,’” Limbaugh said on his radio program last week. “Everybody says that we need to reach out to minorities, but we have plenty of highly achieved minorities in our party, and they are in prominent positions, and they all have a common story.”…
Podhoretz described “a middle path between Steve Schmidt and Rush Limbaugh.”
“If you look at all the data, close to half of the U.S. considers itself pro-life. It’s nonsensical to argue that positions that stand at a parity with their opposing views should be eliminated from the national stage — it’s a perverse idea, and it won’t happen,” he argued. “That’s not the way things are. This is a representative system, and those voices will be heard, not silenced.”









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America is pretty varied culturally. Some areas are more conservative, other areas more moderate. Until Republicans can come to grips with the fact that different areas have different social culture and accept a FEDERAL agenda upon which all of them can agree, we are peeing up a rope.
crosspatch on November 11, 2012 at 6:03 PM
There are way too many people out there that are “professional conservatives”… that are in it for the buck. Frum is right about the “conservative entertainment complex”… but there are also problems with the “conservative consultant complex”.
There used to be a conservative site called culture11… I really wish it had not closed down because it was a great site bringing together mostly youngish conservatives to discuss new ideas. I think Forbes or some other sugardaddy was funding it and it closed down because of the crash… someone needs to bring it back.
ninjapirate on November 11, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Sounds like yet another reason for a return to federalism and a devolution of power back to the states.
Charlemagne on November 11, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Exactly.
eforhan on November 11, 2012 at 6:10 PM
Actually stories like this that quote Steve Schmidt as a supposed conservative are just the RINO establishment trying to re-establish their bona fides by p!ssing on the rest of us and telling us it is raining.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on November 11, 2012 at 6:13 PM
The reason Republicans lost the election is because they smeared, cheated and disenfranchised young Republicans and racial minorities. This is a good article that has more info:
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-ron-paul-factor-the-gop-s-defeat
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 6:18 PM
Heh. At first I though this was going to be a serious article.
davidk on November 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM
And I will again take advantage of your open door: http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/
davidk on November 11, 2012 at 6:25 PM
The same GOP elites who now say we must give amnesty to illegal aliens hoping they’ll vote for Republicans are the same crooked elites who actively smeared, cheated and disenfranchised racial minorities who are actually American citizens that tried to participate in the political process.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 6:27 PM
It won’t solve the basic problems that Federalism has. Namely:
1.)It specifies no policies. It only shifts responsibility for the enactment of policies.
2.)It doesn’t address matters that are intellectually inconsistent. For example, if rape, murder, or theft, is morally wrong, then why should laws vary between states? Is a crime better or worse depending on what side of a state border one is on? Does that affect how innocent one is or the worth of one’s life? Of course not. But Federalists then are left with the unenviable task of defending the legitimacy of permitting disparate laws despite identical circumstances, and that flies in the face of the idea of “equal justice under law.”
Stoic Patriot on November 11, 2012 at 6:28 PM
The GOP elite don’t want to amnesty illegals because they care about racial minorities—if they cared they wouldn’t have locked them out and disenfranchised them during the primaries—no, they want to do amnesty because they have cronies who profit from the exploitation of illegal immigrants.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 6:37 PM
It’s amazing to me how this statistic is trotted out to defend a pro-life potions, as it should be, but pointing out the same about redefining marriage is poo-pooed.
Rocks on November 11, 2012 at 6:40 PM
So according to Frum it’s conservative’s fault that a moderate just lost the election. Wow who saw that one coming? /
Kataklysmic on November 11, 2012 at 6:40 PM
Can we please excommunicate Frum forever? (and schmidt and their ilk)
We’ve served up two moderates in a row…clearly that wasn’t the right plan..that leaves serving up a leftist or a conservative…I suggest a real conservative next time with unassailable conservative history and cred…
just a thought..
Tim Zank on November 11, 2012 at 6:51 PM
If only we didn’t have FOX news and Rush Limbaugh around, the media would cover Republicans more favorably.
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Alternative media as a rallying point is the only reason this nation even vaguely resembles the United States after Obama’s first two years. What would have happened without dissenting outlets as a rallying point then? Remember what was in the pipes? A Cap-N-Trade regime, card check that would rolled us back to the Wagner Act, single payer in a stroke (which would have been invulnerable to court challenges as a straight entitlement, unlike Obamacare) amnesty written on Obama’s terms, another payoff stimulus?
If it was up to Frum, Brooks, Kristol, etc, that would be the country we live in now. But at least parties around DC would be more pleasant.
HitNRun on November 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Pro-life supporters who hope to overturn Roe Verses Wade or pass an amendment outlawing abortion nation wide in one fell swoop are only getting farther and farther away from that goal, all of a sudden. You’re best hope is to reduce the power of the central state so that your state can govern it’s own affairs consistent with the values of the people of your state. If some states in the south, for example, ban abortion, other states may not. I suspect that over time more and more states might implements pro-life laws while other states may never do so for generations. But that is better than losing the battle and having to chose between two pro-choice candidates for the rest of your lives in a two party duopoly, isn’t it?
If you live in a state where the sentiment leans pro-life and you want it at least for your state, just like my state should be allowed to legalize Marijuana without interference from the central state, then please vote for Ron Paul in ’16, or the closest candidate to him.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 6:56 PM
Dems 2 (2008 and 2012)
Tea Party 1 (2010)
RINOs 0
faraway on November 11, 2012 at 6:58 PM
I don’t think these guys get in on immigration. Latinos are voting for democrats because that it who they most identify with. Most Latinos (and most illegals from anywhere) are from socialized countries so it is natural that they expect a very large government safety net. It is what they know. Geez, most hispanics are Catholic and they voted by a margin of like 74% for Obama knowing the Catholic church’s position on abortion (against) and amnesty (for). I wish we would stop with the meme that hispanics are natural conservatives.
Also, I didn’t listen to Frum before the election. Why would I listen to him now when the guy he and the moderate republican establishment chose LOST!
KickandSwimMom on November 11, 2012 at 7:05 PM
For Democrats amnesty for illegal aliens represents millions of loyal new Democrat voters. For the Republican establishment amnesty for illegal aliens represents happy cronies with deep pockets.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 7:15 PM
It’s time that the Republican base throws the corrupt GOP establishment under the bus and joins the liberty movement.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 7:17 PM
Heh. The GOP nominated (the hated moderate) John McCain and then (the former centrist) Romney … both lost to a left wing twit with nothing to speak for him.
I think the problem might not be conservatives.
Jaibones on November 11, 2012 at 7:17 PM
NOT.RON.PAUL. I’ve had enough of all the usual players. I am not a pure libertarian and could never see myself supporting a libertarian party. Sorry, FloatingRock.
KickandSwimMom on November 11, 2012 at 7:21 PM
When I turned on Rush Limbaugh’s program the day after the election Rush said that Romney is the consummate conservative who couldn’t possibly have run a better campaign and therefor it must have been the conservatism itself that was rejected, not Romney.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 7:21 PM
Well I hope you’ll be happy with President Hillary then.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 7:24 PM
LMFAO!@
tom daschle concerned on November 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM
A rock that floats is a witch
faraway on November 11, 2012 at 7:33 PM
No, I don’t want that either. You are going to extremes. Why do I say this, well you stated in a post that Rush said that Romney was the “consummate conservative.” I don’t believe Rush said that at all. What Rush did say about Romney was:
There is nothing in that quote about being a consummate conservative.
KickandSwimMom on November 11, 2012 at 7:33 PM
There has to be a “third way” between the ugliness of Limbaugh (sorry folks, he is) and the squishiness of a Frum. If Frum had his way the party would be back towards a minority status when they were led by the likes of a Barber Conable or Everett Dirksen. Those moderate types that liberals just steamrolled. That won’t work.
But Limbaugh goes to far, is too doctrinaire and too insular. His day is past although not all of his ideas are.
SteveMG on November 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM
Oops, I see that someone already posted Rush’s monologue before I did. Sorry, for the repeat.
KickandSwimMom on November 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM
What else floats Sir Bedevere?
tom daschle concerned on November 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM
Telling women who can afford contraception that they have to pay for it or–at a minimum–subject to cost-control measures of co-pays or deductibles that apply to ANY OTHER prescription drug is insulting?
So much for the 1970s-era, Virginia Slims slogan, “You’ve come a long way, baby, to get where you are today.”
BuckeyeSam on November 11, 2012 at 7:36 PM
What has Rush said that is ugly? I’ve been listening to him for 20 years. Never heard him say anything ugly out of spite or malevolence.
tom daschle concerned on November 11, 2012 at 7:37 PM
Ditto
Kataklysmic on November 11, 2012 at 7:43 PM
The Republicans just ran a Democratic hugs’n'stuff campaign for President.
The Democrats just ran a Republican Lee Atwater rip his throat out campaign. The Democrats won.
There is a lesson there, and it has nothing to do with socon whatever.
Romney ran a mostly ok campaign, but he really should have went after Obama with the same attitude he had in the Repub primaries. He just played it too safe because Obama is black. Dumb.
The Dem nominee in 2016 should have their throat ripped out from the first day on, if the Republican wants to win. This is war, and it should be approached that way.
Moesart on November 11, 2012 at 8:15 PM
Frum and Politico…when will Frum’s conversion be complete?
d1carter on November 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM
So sick of this poser.
jawkneemusic on November 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM
Abortion is fading away as an issue. It’s a total waste of time for most of America.
Especially now that the Supreme Court is gone for socons and Roe will never be touched.
The Republicans are finally moving toward the Libertarians with FREEDOM as the core agenda not bible thumping, and thank goodness.
Moesart on November 11, 2012 at 8:56 PM
I thought there would be a good tenth amendment fight over healthcare. But it seems that the republicans are too squishy to make any fight. It seems that the real tenth amendment fight is going to be over marijuana.
Corsair on November 11, 2012 at 9:03 PM
You’re kidding, right?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/rush-limbaughs-personal-attack-on-sandra-fluke-more-like-20-attacks/2012/03/04/gIQA1OkHtR_blog.html
cam2 on November 11, 2012 at 9:21 PM