Jim Geraghty
Four states and 407,000 votes away from the presidency
Some of those straggling precincts have reported, and so here is an updated set of numbers, according to the results this morning on the New York Times’ results map:
Florida: 73,858
Ohio: 103,481
Virginia: 115,910
Colorado: 113,099
Those four states, with a collective margin of, 406,348 for Obama, add up to 69 electoral votes.
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With all of the votes cast in those states, I’m thinking 400,000 is a piece of cake for the Crook County gang.
They might not even need to engage in any shenanigans, saving those for the recounts if needed. With early voting and vote by mail they can practically proxy vote for many people who would not otherwise vote.
farsighted on November 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Yeah, I can’t argue with you on that. That’s why it never got put on the table in any serious way. Obama was in a very bad way, and they still couldn’t take him down.
sharrukin on November 11, 2012 at 10:08 PM
But in 2010 he was pretty bad.
Well, I think most are blaming the electorate rather than Romney campaign, even. The electorate is hopeless…they’re all socialists…and I heard those SAME EXACT WORDS AFTER NOVEMBER 2008…you know, just before the midterms of 2010…
ddrintn on November 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM
Dowd’s an Obama shill.. m’kay. There are actually quite a few of those who worked for Dubya.
Illinidiva on November 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM
So you guys are content to sacrifice the country on the altar of your political purity instead of starting down the road to saving it by accepting a half measure?
Awesome.
Washington Nearsider on November 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM
Your side cheated and rigged votes and are not entitled to your victims votes.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 10:16 PM
Ummmmm…so are Greenberg and Carville, but I think they might have been closer to the mark than, oh, Rove and Morris.
ddrintn on November 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM
So where did your “half measure” get you?
ddrintn on November 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM
Ron Paul supporters were cheated, locked out, arrested and had votes rigged against them during the primaries and the convention by your side. One had his artificial hip dislocated or broken by the GOPs hired goons and another had his fingers broken. People like you stood by and said nothing! I informed people here at HotAir and people either didn’t care heartily approved. Some of the cheating was caught on video and indisputable.
Your party is corrupt and un-American. Your party represents debt and inflation and the destruction of future generations to buy off cronies and special interests so that the corrupt elites of your party can stay in power.
You are not entitled to your victims votes.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Mr. Prodigy on November 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
“And my campaign has made it very clear: the President’s cuts of $716 billion to Medicare, those cuts are going to be restored if I become President and Paul Ryan becomes Vice President. – Mitt Romney
Romney: ‘I’m Not Going to Cut Education Funding’
Romney: If I’m president and Paul Ryan’s vice president we will not cut our military budget.”
Romney: Our nominee has to be someone who isn’t committed to abolishing Social Security, but who is committed to saving Social Security. Under no circumstances would I ever say by any measure it’s a failure. It is working for millions of Americans, and I’ll keep it working for millions of Americans. And we’ve got to do that as a party.
What half measures?
What was he going to do that could even laughably be called a tenth of a measure?
sharrukin on November 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Without the Paul supporters, whose help and votes I spent quite a bit of time and energy specifically asking for, not too far.
I’ll take a guy with whom I agree 70% of the time long before I’ll condemn my country to the flames.
I wish I could say that about everyone.
Washington Nearsider on November 11, 2012 at 10:28 PM
Since tea party Republican governors run three of those states, how will the conspiracy theorists explain this away as fraud?
libfreeordie on November 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM
If you agree with a statist like Romney 70% of the time you are my opponent.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM
How will you explain the inevitable collapse of your welfare state you racist?
jawkneemusic on November 11, 2012 at 10:35 PM
And you are not entitled to our money, time or protection when push finally comes to shove.
All the voter fraud in the world cannot explain Florida, Illinois, and many other big states where Dr. Paul was rejected by more than 90% of the voters.
For those Paul supporters who are still unable to understand these repeated, huge rejections at the polls, the answer can be found right in front of their faces.
Look in the mirror. Keep staring. Now look again. You are the problem.
The Ron Paul movement consists of too many supporters who are completely certifiable. Let us count their ways.
You run up and down the hallways of GOP conventions screaming about rev01utions. Decorum is replaced with degradation and debasement.
You shout down speakers you disagree with. You have zero interest in freedom and liberty for anybody except those who agree with them.
I am one person who simply disagrees with Ron Paul. Let this sink in slowly. I D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E with him.
Tell a normal human being you disagree with his candidate. The responses will be:
1) You just do not understand. Let me explain.
2) You are misinformed. Let me explain.
You will get an attempt at conversion. He wants your vote.
Tell a Ron Paul supporter you disagree with his candidate. The responses will be:
1) You just do not understand. You’re an idiot.
2) You are an uninformed tool of the political machine.
3) You don’t care about the Constitution, freedom or liberty.
4) You are corrupt, bought and paid for, a shill for the status quo or some other powerful, mythical, nefarious entity.
I can’t imagine why people reject you out of hand. And now, when faced with empirical evidence of just how badly your votes were NEEDED to defeat Obama, and how they LITERALLY could have turned the election, you remind me Romney’s nowhere near what America needs?
No. Romney’s not enough. Not by any measure. But he ISN’T Obama. He would not have set out to willfully destroy America.
By your votes, and your continued intransigence, you have shown that you have purposefully and knowingly chosen the destruction of America because it means you get to dance on your puritanical altar.
Washington Nearsider on November 11, 2012 at 10:39 PM
What would one have to do with the other?
Mimzey on November 11, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Missed by that much.
It is not the millions that did not vote have to go to work the next day. They need to find the group that did not vote and find out way and it was not because they are a “blank” of Obama group that was down too.
They are the people who woke still need to be woke up but will not happen until the real pain happens to everyone and not hidden by the media. The whole country felt the great depression now it is still little pocket that are bombing and other are not.
tjexcite on November 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM
Where do RINOs go to get their Silver Medal?
faraway on November 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM
You have a right to disagree with him and his supporters but you don’t have a right to cheat, lock out, rig votes and disenfranchise his supporters, citizens trying to exercise their political rights as Americans.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 10:46 PM
What do you mean? I have no idea…. I don’t want anything from people like you who support cheating people you don’t agree with.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 10:47 PM
There you go again.
thebrokenrattle on November 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333135/voters-who-stayed-home-andrew-c-mccarthy?pg=2
In truth, millions of Americans have decided that Republicans are not a viable alternative because they are already too much like Democrats. They are Washington. With no hope that a Romney administration or more Republicans in Congress would change this sad state of affairs, these voters shrugged their shoulders and became non-voters.
“This is the most important election of our lifetime.” That was the ubiquitous rally cry of Republican leaders. The country yawned.
The millions who stayed home relative to the 2008 vote equal the population of Ohio
The brute fact is: There are many people in the country who believe it makes no difference which party wins these elections. Obama Democrats are the hard Left, but Washington’s Republican establishment is progressive, not conservative. This has solidified statism as the bipartisan mainstream. Republicans may want to run Leviathan — many are actually perfectly happy in the minority — but they have no real interest in dismantling Leviathan. They are simply not about transferring power out of Washington, not in a material way.
When was the last time you heard a Republican explain what departments and entitlements he’d slash to pay for that? In fact, when did the GOP last explain how a country that is in a $16 trillion debt hole could afford to enlarge anything besides its loan payments?
Truth be told, most of today’s GOP does not believe Washington makes things worse. Republicans think the federal government — by confiscating, borrowing, and printing money — is the answer to every problem, rather than the source of most. That is why those running the party today, when they ran Washington during the Bush years, orchestrated an expansion of government size, scope, and spending that would still boggle the mind had Obama not come along.
That is not materially different from what the Democrats believe. It’s certainly not an alternative.
sharrukin on November 11, 2012 at 10:50 PM
I can’t recall an instance where I did ANY of those things. Unless you are claiming I am some corrupt, bought and paid for shill for the status quo or some other powerful, mythical, nefarious entity, (see #4 above) you’ll need to move on to something else.
You, on the other hand, still stand by your vote in favor of killing America.
Washington Nearsider on November 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM
Yes.. It was a D election, so the Dems got it right. Dowd would have probably called it for Obama even if Romney was leading by five points in PA and seven points nationally… m’kay.
Illinidiva on November 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM
Yes, that is what you implied. You gave a laundry list of reasons you dislike/disagree with Ron Paul and his supporters as a response to my comment about Ron Paul and his supporters being cheated and disenfranchised during the primaries and the votes being rigged at the national convention. In that context your obvious implication is that because of your disagreement and disapproval of Ron Paul’s supporters they deserved to be cheated.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Well lets start with more votes in some of those areas than registered voters let alone voters of legal age. Amazing that even in some cases, Obama got upwards of 90% of the votes too.
watertown on November 11, 2012 at 11:05 PM
No. Read for comprehension. This is PRECISELY what I was referencing when I said that Paul supporters are – almost to a man – batshit insane.
Paul deserved to be defeated in the primary, by virtue of not winning a single state. Go back to my original post vis a vis Florida and the other large states Paul lost by more than 90%.
Further, his supporters, including you and sharrukin have proven – repeatedly – that they all believe ANYONE who doesn’t support Ron Paul is evil, wrong, corrupt, and not enough.
Because you believe those things, you are still pleased with yourselves for voting to destroy America.
There is no escaping that vote. When America collapses, YOU will be as much to blame as Obama.
Washington Nearsider on November 11, 2012 at 11:11 PM
November 8th, 2011
Last year…
Mitt Romney as the Nominee: Conservatism Dies and Barack Obama Wins
Mitt Romney is not the George W. Bush of 2012 — he is the Harriet Miers of 2012, only conservative because a few conservative grand pooh-bahs tell us Mitt Romney is conservative and for no other reason.
That is precisely why Mitt Romney will not win in 2012. But no worry, once he loses, Republican establishment types will blame conservatives for not doing enough for Mitt Romney, never mind that Mitt Romney has never been able to sell himself to more than 25% of the GOP voters. It’s not his fault though, it is the 75%’s fault.
Mitt Romney is going to be the Republican nominee. And his general election campaign will be an utter disaster for conservatives as he takes the GOP down with him and burns up what it means to be a conservative in the process.
You’d think that given the economy, jobs, and the present angst about the direction of the country that the GOP would have an easy path to victory. You would be wrong.
You forget the electoral college. The vote is coming down to a handful of states and Barack Obama still maintains the advantage of incumbency and not terribly terrible polling in those swing states.
Mitt Romney, on the other hand, is a man devoid of any principles other than getting himself elected. As much as the American public does not like Barack Obama, they loath a man so fueled with ambition that he will say or do anything to get himself elected. Mitt Romney is that man.
Voters may not like Barack Obama, but by the time Obama is done with Romney they will not trust Mitt Romney. And voters would rather the guy they don’t like than they guy they don’t trust.
Some conservatives, of course, will not go all in for Romney. These conservatives will be blamed by major Republican and “conservative” mouth pieces for not doing enough to help Mitt Romney. They will be alienated, blamed, and made the scapegoat for the failures of the establishment GOP.
sharrukin on November 11, 2012 at 11:18 PM
Face reality. Obama would have beaten Santorum or Palin Mondale-style.
At least Romney made him work for it, and Obama didn’t get a mandate.
Moesart on November 11, 2012 at 11:18 PM
Just want to focus on this for a moment, because folks are telling us Hispanics will carry us to victory in Virginia if we give them amnesty.
There are about 183,000 eligible Hispanic voters in Virginia. On a good year, 50% of them will turn out. That gives us 92,000 voters. Even if every single one of those Hispanic voters had voted for Romney, he STILL LOSES!
Haven’t look at the other states, but I suspect it’s the same.
xblade on November 11, 2012 at 11:18 PM
10 million people got smarter this election and didn’t vote for socialism. But over 6 million white voters — presumably most of them Republicans — somehow decided it made better sense to sit at home with their thumbs up their asz and cry about Ron Paul or something. They should all be hanged.
This country will suffer deeply because of you pansies.
Jaibones on November 11, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Ooops, my math was off a bit, but it’s moot. No one is getting 100% of the Hispanic vote, lol.
xblade on November 11, 2012 at 11:26 PM
Yeah, nothing says decorum like ranting that America has been destroyed because your liberal candidate lost to the other liberal candidate.
Armin Tamzarian on November 11, 2012 at 11:29 PM
I think we need to wait for the final numbers to see where we (GOP) stand..And where the breakdowns were..
Dire Straits on November 11, 2012 at 11:33 PM
There was so much documented cheating by the GOP establishment during the caucuses and the national convention that it is reasonable to conclude they also cheated in the primary vote counts, possibly the worst of all since it’s monitored least. I suspect that Ron Paul probably won Iowa, in reality, and if he had been allowed to claim his rightful victory then he would have won New Hampshire for certain, and probably won it anyway. Ron Paul would probably be the president elect right now.
If Ron Paul never had a chance then why did the GOP establishment have to cheat and rig so many votes they they got caught many times? They wouldn’t have done that and taken all that risk if they were winning! They’re corporate crony statists, not idiots.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 11:35 PM
This should be referenced as the definitive GTFO Paulnuts statement.
Well done.
WisCon on November 11, 2012 at 11:41 PM
Occam’s razor; the most likely reason that Romney and the GOP establishment were caught cheating in the caucuses and national convention so many times, (and I suspect in the primaries most of all, but hardest to prove), is because they had to in order to win.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 11:58 PM
I should have put “win” in quotes above.
FloatingRock on November 11, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Are you even old enough to vote?
By the way, despite having concerns with some of Paul’s positions, if he were the candidate, I WOULD have voted for him. But then, I’m an adult…most of the time, at least.
xblade on November 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Oh really? Is that why you asked such a childish question?
FloatingRock on November 12, 2012 at 12:08 AM
Had ORCA not failed, and the 5285 volunteers in those 4 states had each gotten only 25 more votes every 2 hours in an 8 hour shift, we would have won. ORCA’s failure was an absolute tragedy.
Plus all the Ron Paul voters I spoke to at the caucuses here in MO all said that Obama and Romney were the same candidate, that only Ron Paul could save the nation. And no talking to them could change their minds, they wouldn’t even consider what I was saying…I even tried to bargain with them, saying they didn’t have to agree with me, but would they consider what I was saying? NO NO NO, to them, Obama = Romney. In that kind of denial, there’s no point.
JustTruth101 on November 12, 2012 at 2:00 AM
How did you explain the difference between the two candidates?
sharrukin on November 12, 2012 at 2:26 AM
That is what I keep saying!
bluegill on November 12, 2012 at 4:14 AM
This exchange shows me the problem with some people like Sharrukin. They are hopeless and a waste of time.
bluegill on November 12, 2012 at 4:25 AM
In the previous comment I included excerpts of crosspatch’s posts because he makes great points about people who spend what seems like all their free time complaining about the GOP, but do little else to change things and refuse to vote.
bluegill on November 12, 2012 at 4:28 AM
So give me a list of what Romney was going to cut other than big bird?
sharrukin on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 AM
“And my campaign has made it very clear: the President’s cuts of $716 billion to Medicare, those cuts are going to be restored if I become President and Paul Ryan becomes Vice President. – Mitt Romney
According to Mitt Romney Obama cut $716 billion from Medicare.
Where are Romney’s cuts to the tune of $716 billion?
sharrukin on November 12, 2012 at 4:43 AM
Palin had her own “stay-home” factor to consider, and would have also made the same bad assumptions about the common sense of the American voter. This is why she wisely chose not to run in the first place
Sekhmet on November 12, 2012 at 7:39 AM
Well, Obama didn’t really “cut” it, Obama just moved it to Obamacare, and Obamacare was going to go bye bye. Presto changeo, the money is restored.
Cindy Munford on November 12, 2012 at 7:51 AM
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