The polls ended up making sense — but next time, who knows?
No offense to Nate Silver (or Barack Obama), but the biggest winners last night were the pollsters. After all, the vaunted FiveThirtyEight model is only as good as the data it runs through its algorithm…
But dark ages or not, the polls — with a few notable exceptions (cough, Rasmussen) — turned out to be right. And the polling outfit that had as good a performance as any was one that may have sparked even more pre-election conservative ire than Silver. Public Policy Polling, a small polling firm in North Carolina, conducted a whopping 255 public polls in 2012, and it often seemed like polling skeptics (and even other pollsters) had a bone to pick with each one. This was partly because PPP uses automated dialers. It was also because PPP is a Democratic polling firm. But when the results came in, PPP’s polls had called all 50 states correctly in the presidential race (assuming Florida ultimately goes to Obama), every Senate race, and every important ballot initiative. Its private polling — like the 23 surveys it did of Kentucky legislative races for one client — was similarly on the mark.
When I talked to Tom Jensen, PPP’s director, this morning, he was understandably in the mood to gloat. “These supposed polling experts on the conservative side are morons,” Jensen crowed. “Jay Cost” — the Weekly Standard’s polling expert who’d waged a number-crunching war against PPP — “is an idiot.” But Jensen conceded that the secret to PPP’s success was what boiled down to a well informed but still not entirely empirical hunch. “We just projected that African-American, Hispanic, and young voter turnout would be as high in 2012 as it was in 2008, and we weighted our polls accordingly,” he explained. “When you look at polls that succeeded and those that failed that was the difference.” Given the methodological challenges currently confronting pollsters, those hunches are only going to prove more important. “The art part of polling, as opposed to the science part,” Jensen said, “is becoming a bigger and bigger part of the equation in having accurate polls.”









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If the difference in vote totals from VA, FL, OH and CO total 400k, then the polls could have easily been wrong.
Zaggs on November 9, 2012 at 10:22 AM
I like how they call Jay Cost an idiot. I mean, he does work for the Weekly Standard which is an embarrassing place to work, IMHO.
I wonder if anyone has told Bill Kristol yet that his and his colleague’s insistence on lax immigration has all but made them powerless going forward? They will have to plod back now to the Democratic party if they want to influence foreign policy (which they won’t for obvious reasons.)
Punchenko on November 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM
o/t: Just heard on Beck that Allen West is 300 votes ahead now in his recount.
Kataklysmic on November 9, 2012 at 10:31 AM
Oh man, that means there’s a car trunk out there somewhere with 310 forgotten ballots all of which are coincidentally Dem.
DrAllecon on November 9, 2012 at 10:40 AM
How the heck did that happen? I was obvioiusly meaning to quote Kataklysmic.
DrAllecon on November 9, 2012 at 10:40 AM
Why do I feel like we were LIED to? Not duped, not like we were “whistling past the graveyard”. Not just being trapped in an echo chamber. LIED to. EVERY site I visited (not just conservative sites) showed enthusiasm up for the GOP (spit). Yes, the pollsters were right, but someone in Romney’s group knew… for a while, they were doomed. Or they were idiots. Either way, boy do I feel dummer for having fell for it.
LtGenRob on November 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM
And dumber, too.
LtGenRob on November 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM
Agree totally with the premise of this piece, that predicting the demographic turnout is an art. I don’t think young voters or women voters or black voters would have showed as strongly unless their man was deemed “cool” or “black” or “charismatic”.
It’s all about personal like-ability; not what’s happening in the world.
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM
OT/
Never heard of the Punditpress, so it may be bogus, but what’s to be made of this
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html
Mimzey on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM
I don’t know if we were lied to, but every conservative site I frequented over the past few months pushed the meme of “a very enthusiastic GOP” and predicted “record turnout in November.” In retrospect, it looks like that’s what they wanted to believe, when it clearly wasn’t the case.
The “polls are biased” meme also wasn’t based in reality, so who knows if that was a conscious decision by conservatie sites to try and drum up the enthusiasm and record turnout they were predicting.
diditagain on November 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM
I don’t know…there’s talk and reporting, and then there’s what you can see with your own eyes.
Romneys rally’s were explosive while Obama were flat and filled with 4 year old talking points.
It’s just difficult to believe that Romney got almost 3 million votes fewer than Romney.
Mimzey on November 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM
It was the meme leaked from the Romney campaign to the conservative press. I think Romney’s campain strategists were just out of touch.
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Than *McCain*
Mimzey on November 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM
The problem with the “meme” schtik, is that meme’s usually can’t track with reality.
Romney’s rallys were beyond meme.
Mimzey on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM
It’s easy to see when you consider that voters show up if they are excited about the politician. Voters generally are clueless about what is at stake.
That’s what makes it so hard to reconcile – we knew the gravity of this election while 70% of voters were treating it like “America Has Talent”. And they weren’t excited about Romney.
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM
The people at Romney’s rallies were the 30% that understood the gravity of the election, so they were naturally more electrified. The folks at Obama’s were they because Jerry Springer was doing re-runs and they were gonna get dragged out to the polls to vote for “cool” and “black”.
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Don’t assume a direct correlation between voter turnout and voter enthusiasm.
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM
I agree, but the disconnect seems odd. Lower turnout overall. Obama gets 10 million fewer votes than ’08 and he wins with the meme being “See!..its a new world order now..get with the plan, you’re either with us or against us”.
Mimzey on November 9, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Follow the money.
Pundits and bloggers have a vested interest in showing a close election. They are paid by how many viewers and readers they have.
Pollsters and statisticians on the other hand have a vested interest in being accurate. They are commissioned and paid based on their historic performance.
Jay Cost is back to writing articles, so is Dean Chambers (after reaping good bit of ad revenue from unskewedpolls.com). Even Dick Morris is all over the talk shows. Same featured bloggers are back on Hotair frontpage. There’s a reason for that, they did what they were expected to do: bend the truth to keep you around. As long as they do that, regardless of which direction the elections go they get to keep their job.
On the other side, Nate’s book just rocketed up to the second bestselling book on Amazon. PPP can expect a good number of new customers. Had they called it wrong, none of this would have happened.
lester on November 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM
THIS. Best comment I have seen so far on the disconnect between the polls and the conservative pundits.
agirlacamera on November 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM
One problem – if you are wrong too often, you are no longer a pundit. Doesn’t hold up.
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Can you write a comment without the word “meme”? Once?
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Thanks for the comment/analysis lester. I know people need to make a living, but doing it by bending the truth leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
diditagain on November 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Ya’ll need to get off this pundit conspiracy mess. Fox (for example) hires pundits that it believes to be honest and accurate. The pundit get’s paid by Fox not by the viewers.
Dick Morris (for example) came on the next day and said he was wrong, wrong, wrong. He knew he would have to, so your conspiracy theory makes no sense.
michaelthomas on November 9, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Well, Dick Morris has been wrong about 80 gazillion times. For a laugh, go look at his last 4-5 articles in 2008. They are insane. Predicting Mccain landslide. And this is when Obama was 7-8 points ahead in all national polls including rasmussen.
Fox News still paid him gobs of money to offer his opinions all throughout the election. And even after Obama won on Tuesday, he has been invited back. We’ll see if they wisen up…
agirlacamera on November 9, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Fox will keep paying Dick Morris to stick around as long as everyone keeps tuning in to see him. Also, some pollsters just got lucky. Their assumed turnout model just happened to work.
Red Creek on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM