“It should have been a landslide if Romney had run as a true conservative”
“The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and the failed Republican leadership should resign,” said Richard Viguerie, a top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
He said the lesson on Romney’s loss to President Obama on Tuesday is that the GOP must “never again” nominate a “a big government established conservative for president.”
Jenny Beth Martin of Tea Party Patriots said Romney failed to make the kind of strong case for conservatism that would have won the election.
She described Romney as a “weak, moderate candidate hand-picked by the country club elite Republican establishment.”
“They didn’t see a clear distinction so they went with what they know,” she said of voters.
“It should have been a landslide if Romney had run as a true conservative,” said Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center.
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No one’s said that. It’s you SoLibs who want to pin every one of your losses on the fact that somewhere, someone might be against abortion and gay marriage.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:31 PM
LOL– I called him/her a Nancy boy and a dramaqueen but not evil.
melle1228 on November 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM
People want to believe the guy in charge cares about them. Any candidate worth his/her salt ought to be able to persuade people that he/she cares. Romney didn’t think that was important, and he didn’t connect well even with people who liked him. Personal relationships are not Romney’s strong suit.
alwaysfiredup on November 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Wrong, (going off memory), Obama got just over 60 million, Romney got more than half way over 57 million (2 million or so shy of McCain).
If Romney got McCain’s 2008 turnout we’d still be shy.
57+ million is NOT not turning out voters my friend, it’s nothing to sneeze at. I bet it was a combination of fraud and some Republican’s not voting because they just couldn’t stand his Mormonness.
Enthusiasm was there, just not quite enough. The simple fact is, Obama gets a 1 million plus surplus in Cali, 1 million plus surplus in New York, etc, etc, etc…
We NEED a bigger base, AND we need to raise the voting age back to 21… 18-21 year olds are too freshly out of being inculcated in our liberally run school systems where Republicans are villified and lambasted.
SauerKraut537 on November 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM
SauerKraut537 on November 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM
When you guys say that Republicans need to “have a ‘Big Tent’, embrace diversity, and show that we are just as tolerant as the Democrats, in order to win over voters”, that tolerance somehow doesn’t seem to extend to Reagan Conservatives and/or Evangelicals. Isn’t that called “Hypocrisy”?
kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Can you imagine Reagan sitting around bemoaning how stupid the voters are? Really?
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Nope. That’s a way of avoiding responsibility for a campaign that did not win.
kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Well, those who couldn’t stand Romney’s Mormon faith must’ve been living in those enlightened northern and western blue states. Mitt won all the Bible Belt. Even NC.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM
I’m wrong because I said 3 mil instead of 2 mil? You need to relax. It is a FACT that we lost votes from McCain/Palin. And Palin was supposed to be a huge turnoff. Fraud is not the answer. Evangelicals turned out and voted for Mitt. Look further.
alwaysfiredup on November 8, 2012 at 12:38 PM
LOL– No but I am not a politician and henceforth after Tuesday I now refer to the electorate as the “simple minds.”
I forgot to congratulate President Obama Tuesday. Let’s just hope the Bush stops messing up the economy for him..
melle1228 on November 8, 2012 at 12:38 PM
We can lament all day long about what happened, and who’s
“fault” it is….the bottom line is millions upon millions
of voters should’ve been able to process what the current
President has done, and voted accordingly…..alas.
Says more about the voters of this Nation, than anything
the Republican Party failed to do. IMO.
ToddPA on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Face reality. I was warning about Romney long before he was nominated, said he could not win because he had ZERO core principals.
That Romney is a corny businessman of narrow learning and culture wouldn’t be so deadly if he had actually harbored conservative convictions. But he didn’t. He has been taught how to play a semi-conservative Republican on TV, but his deepest instincts always remained liberal. Hence, his dogged pride in Romneycare, legislation that Barack Obama himself would have fathered had he governed the Bay State.
Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Hence, his dogged pride in Romneycare, legislation that Barack Obama himself would have fathered had he governed the Bay State.
Now you’ve done it. You’ve mentioned the 800 lb gorilla sitting on the sofa.
kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Can anyone explain this: Indiana? Missouri? Both overwhelmingly for Romney, both won’t elect their Tea Party really conservative candidate.
Those Tea Partiers were conservative enough, why didn’t their voters come out?
What is going on there…Missouri did not have a good turnout? I thought republicans wanted to keep the senate?
Fleuries on November 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Based on what I seen on these boards, the Repubs will want to nominate another “moderate” so we can probably expect Chris Christie. And ya know what he will lose as well, because he doesn’t know how to deal with the media any better than any other Repub. Good luck with that guys. I will cede the Repub party to all the moderate and not vote since I am one of those extremist self righteous socons.
It is funny this time I was told I had to vote or I was a traitor and voting for Obama.. Now that Mitt lost and I voted for him, I am getting blamed for his loss. I can’t win for trying, so next I time won’t be trying. Good luck with Chris Christie or Scott Brownor his ilk, and hope 2020, y’all figure out how to play hard ball with the simple minds and the media.
melle1228 on November 8, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Apathy and disillusionment. “What’s the point?”
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM
I don’t know if this has been said, but:
Sarah Palin was the person on the national scene who took the fight to Obama for four years. Four years! She was the one speaking out against his policies. Campaigning for people. She is the one who went to WI with Breitbart. What would the country have been like if she had not been there?
In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting of Gabby Giffords when Sarah Palin was all but accused of pulling the trigger I don’t remember any nationally known Republicans coming to her defense. They left her to twist in the wind.
She was unmentioned at the convention. No thanks to the person who took risks to fight Obama. I don’t remember the Tea Party being mentioned at the convention–the grassroots who brought a Republican majority to the house.
No gratitude whatsoever. Think about that for a moment.
To my knowledge she was never asked to campaign for Romney. Why wasn’t she asked and persuaded to give a prime time speech at the convention? It was as if she didn’t even exist.
Despite all this, despite the fact that the Republican establishment never had her back and despite the fact of those Romney staffers who sabotaged the McCain campaign, Sarah Palin never spoke out against those who had stabbed her in the back.
INC on November 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM
I am shocked, saddened and disgusted that there are so many people who think that running Todd Akin in every slot is the only path to victory.
I hope you all enjoy paying Sandra Fluke to have sex with people who aren’t you.
Alberta_Patriot on November 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Same as 2008. McCain lost because of all those damn socon purists, yet those very same “purists” were his most devoted constituency.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Who said that?
Why are you attacking Fluke? Don’t you know that’s electoral poison?????? /
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Ding….Ding.
That maybe why his vote was down. They figured, rightly I believe, that Romney was not going to repeal Romneycare so why vote. Let the Dem’s own it.
They never trusted him as a conservative.
WisRich on November 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Preach it. + a gazillion.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Great post…:)
The amazing part is that Sarah Palin’s still standing!
idesign on November 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM
If I recall, only Fred Thompson, Giuliani and maybe DeMint came to her defense and that of the TP.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Well the RINOs here are assuring us that Romney lost because he pandered to much to those darned “social cons” and “conservatives”
They will always find a way to blame conservatives. It’s never the RINO’s fault.
Nope. That’s why Romney got 3 million less votes!!!
Here we were all twisting ourselves in to pretzels trying to explain how Romnycare and Obamacare was different. And honestly it got to the point I couldn’t look myself in the mirror.
Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 12:54 PM
In fact the GOP convention was devoted to humanizing Mitt. He was then criticized for not emphasizing policy.
17% of the electorate (the highest category) considered the most important candidate quality to be whether he cares about people like me.
We have raised a generation of young people who not only don’t know the difference between then and than and less and fewer but which way is up or how to spot a con man.
Basilsbest on November 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Part of the reason we had a lower turnout overall was that EVERYONE was harping on the fact that only the battleground states matter. The vote turnout in the other states was more like an off year election rather than a presidential election. I would be interested to compare the vote totals year to year in only the battleground states.
txmomof6 on November 8, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Buy a clue. Most people on here supported Brunner or Steelman and Akin only got the nomination because they split the vote.
topdawg on November 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM
I don’t think anyone could have confused Romney with a conservative. lol
Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM
An example of why the young, and many old, voters need to be educated on the Tenth Amendment.
davidk on November 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Congressman Trent Franks also defended her on MSNBC.
topdawg on November 8, 2012 at 12:58 PM
That’s not the point of a convention. If you have to rely on the RNC to “humanize Mitt” — in friggin’ AUGUST of the election year — you’re screwed, bud. The point of a convention is to, to quote Obama — get your base fired up and ready to go.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 12:58 PM
How dare you demean government schools?
davidk on November 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM
INC on November 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM
And ya know what? She knows how to deal with simple minds. She didn’t explain the whole death panel thing in terms of legislation. She went right for the 2 sec sound bite that uneducated idiots could understand and it stuck. The death panel meme is one of the reason Obamacare was so unpopular DESPITE the media trying to push it.
melle1228 on November 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Holy Jeebus…Freudian Slip…Obamacare, not Romneycare.
No wonder they stayed home! That’s the whole explaination of the loss in a nutshell.
WisRich on November 8, 2012 at 1:00 PM
I think DeMint did, but I couldn’t remember others. DeMint is one who usually bucks the establishment himself. I was thinking of a united front of the R leaders in the House and Senate coming out and denouncing the press and the Democrats.
INC on November 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Oh no, of course not. Never happened. You know what? Most of them were probably rubbing their hands together in glee that maybe the Wicked Witch was finally done in for good.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Romneycare is not a Conservative plan, and yet, Mitt has been bragging on it, ever since he signed it.
Could that have turned off Conservative voers? You betcha.
kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Out of Bob Dole’s and John McCain’s tattered Big Tent came along another “reformed” RINO, Mitt Romney……
Those RINO’s assuring us that “he was the only electable” candidate. And only he could win the “center”
If “electability” is the only goal for RINOs, and not governing principals why don’t they just call for a one-party state? That way they could win every time.
Instead of pushing the whole GOP over the ditch by caving on everything.
You can never beat the socialists at their own game. You think caving to the open borders crowd, and caving on all social issues.
What would be the point of the GOP?
My family escaped Cuba, to escape a one party state. Seems like RINOs want to merge the GOP in to the Dem party, and become a defacto one party state.
Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Oh, yeah, I agree.
And I’d also like to add that not only was she able to come up with pithy summaries that skewered Obama, but she did analysis as well. For example, she gave a lecture in India that was well received and wrote a WSJ editorial on finance and the dollar (I think that was the topic) that was considered quite astute.
INC on November 8, 2012 at 1:04 PM
If I am the last voice for the unborn, I will be a voice for the unborn.
Pro-choice is a euphemism for murder.
davidk on November 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Go gurgle on some razor blades douchebag. You know darn well that Akin was not the Tea Party choice. He won because the conservative vote was split.
Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM
So the heck what? Of course Cali and NY go blue. Popular vote totals are meaningless. We needed more voters in Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Iowa. Cali can fall off the continent as far as I care.
alwaysfiredup on November 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM
But they were right. He DID win the center. And the GOP STILL lost.
The GOPe is done for, and they know it.
ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Exactly! Mitt wasn’t an socon, and yet they are saying he got painted with that brush. I want to know what makes them think if we suddenly tacked left on all the issue that the electorate would buy it. I mean if they couldn’t buy Mitt as a socially moderate then what would change if we tacked left other than losing the socon vote?
melle1228 on November 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM
I’ll say the same to you that I did to ddrintn. I’m not saying to PANDER to them, I’m saying engage them and convince them that we’re right. It’s hard to do when the Democrats call those people listening Uncle Tom’s, traitors, etc but we need to engage them.
I’m not saying that we don’t extend tolerance towards Reagan conservatives and/or evangelicals as a result of bringing in minorities, etc. It would be nice if the far right would tamp down the rhetoric though so that we can reason with minorities and bring more of them into the fold.
We lost Hispanics 73/26 and Asians 72/27 and Blacks 95/3 or something. We’re letting the Democrats win with these groups and resigning ourselves to the fact that the Democrats enjoy a higher percentage of their vote.
We can’t do it any longer or we end up perpetual losers. We didn’t lose because we didn’t get out the vote, 57+ million voting for Romney is NOT not getting out the vote, it’s a good start, but we can’t keep losing the minority votes to the extent we keep doing.
SauerKraut537 on November 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Welcome to America. Land of the free; home of the brave.”
davidk on November 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM
I didn’t know your family was from Cuba. I’ve mentioned before that I was born in FL pre-Castro, and a secretary in my dad’s office gave me a little jacket with a Made in Havana label that I still have. I went to school in Florida with the children of Cuban refugees and had a high school Spanish teacher from Cuba who heartily despised Castro.
INC on November 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM
No one thinks that.
alwaysfiredup on November 8, 2012 at 1:08 PM
I want to ask you all to look around you, and if you are sitting in a red state that went for Romney yesterday, that was all you could do.
But if you are sitting in a red state and philosophical about what Romney should have done in the Battleground states, you probably have not campaigned enough in these states.
Don’t the busses come by and pick up all your neighbors for a ride to the polls to vote for Obama?
In Boston the Menino Machine, went door to door to get voters who didn’t want to vote for Liz Warren to the polls to vote for her and Obama. Intimitdation? bullying?
Mrs. Warren’s daughter used state money to send voter registrations to welfare recipients so they could be sure to vote for Mrs. Warren. ICK?
When you are sitting in a red state thinking Romney needed to be more conservative to get more people to the polls, do you think those voters you know that did not come out in 66% Romney country needed that vote? You could have convinced them, maybe to come out for your lesser candidates.
But you cannot theorize based on your red state experience, how to get people in these other state to the polls. In Boston, news of Todd Akin and Mourdock rang in our ears here for days because they were going to issue executive orders to the Supreme Court to end abortions in MA. NO, but that is what they implied. Why didn’t they win in their own states?
Lots of myths are being manufactured, and on is that romney was not conservative enough. That’s a cliche. Say what you mean.
Fleuries on November 8, 2012 at 1:08 PM
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