“We turned a national election into a school-board race”
Even inside Romney’s campaign, some advisers worried Ryan would be identified too closely with his proposal to turn Medicare into a voucher program, an idea that could alienate seniors critical in Florida.
Those concerns translated into disagreements between Ryan and the leadership in Boston. One week after his selection, Ryan, on his own, gave a speech about Medicare to residents of the Villages, a city-size retirement community in central Florida.
“We want this debate. We need this debate. We will win this debate,” he declared.
To the relief of Romney’s advisers, the debate never materialized. But they did not allow Ryan to set the agenda again.
As part of his role, Ryan had wanted to talk about poverty, traveling to inner cities and giving speeches that laid out the Republican vision for individual empowerment. But Romney advisers refused his request to do so, until mid-October, when he gave a speech on civil society in Cleveland.
As one adviser put it, “The issues that we really test well on and win on are not the war on poverty.”
Ryan did not complain publicly. But he later had reason to.











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Oh dear god.
If that’s how they beat us, we should just hang ‘em up now.
KingGold on November 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM
So Ryan tried to Go Rogue, but was hamstrung?
Why does this sound familiar?
portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM
It’s not like Bark could advertise on “The Military Channel”.
Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM
And this was apparently a big determining factor in the election. Voters felt that Obama cared more about them than Mitt did. Never mind what his actual policies are doing to the middle and lower class.
Doughboy on November 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM
More or less, yeah, that’s how they beat us. That and Vogue, People Magazine, Entertainment Tonight, the View, Letterman etc.
forest on November 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM
95% of blacks want the federal government to give them jobs.
lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM
This is something I’ve never understood.
Both men are rich.
Both men graduated from Harvard.
One of them is considered the golden boy that everyone loves (even as he makes mistake after mistake).
The other is “someone who couldn’t understand someone like me”.
It’s ridiculous.
And, let me state this for the record, I will take a president that can get the economy back on track any day over one that understands my trouble and feels my pain. People need to grow up.
JadeNYU on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Sorry, but this is how Obama won.
he scared the middle class into voting for him.
And I hate to say it, but picking Ryan as VP was part of that.
And please, fellow conservatives, drop the sophmoric “objectivism”. It doesn’t sell. Never has.
Now our regularly scheduled posters can go back to blaming SoCon (insert favorite vile expletive here).
There are some really dull people out there.
Dreadnought on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM
This sounds disturbing, if the GOP stuck w/ the old white guy meme.
22044 on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Paul Ryan (and Sarah Palin) has better political instincts than the Boston machine that ran Romney’s campaign.
onlineanalyst on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM
What a joke. Seriously.
mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Oh, yeah, I thought the same.
I waded through the article to find this:
True.
INC on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Yep. They “felt” better about Obama and believed he cared even as he screwed/screws them six ways from Sunday.
Bitter Clinger on November 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM
If it’s true that they stopped Paul Ryan from going to the inner cities and preaching there, those advisers need to be strung up for all to see.
In an election we lost because of demographics, that’s plain old political malpractice.
KingGold on November 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM
and Scott Walker. He told Rommney the way towin WI was with A path to how to fix everything.
Instead Rommney ran that Obama is so terrible choose me,choose me!
Ideas matter. Specfics matter.
Gracelynn on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM
To be fair, what the poll found was that the majority of black people believed that hard work resulted in success; however, 95% of them believed that the Federal government should take the lead on job creation.
I see common ground – like conservatives, they believe that hard work is how you get ahead.
The main difference is they believe the feds help create jobs – if we are correct that the federal government is not good at job creation and that it is best handled by small businesses operating in the free market, we can make that case. It might take a while, but, we can make that case.
I’m not saying that they’ll wake up the next morning and vote for Republicans, but, they will start demanding that the Democrats they vote for support business-friendly policies and that’s still a victory.
JadeNYU on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM
It’s not good that that is what worked.
forest on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM
I linked to this article many times this year:
INC on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Please..let’s not blame Ryan for any of this. Seriously, let’s just not.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 PM
That article goes on to say:
I think this is why we see this contradictory craziness of a majority of people saying government does too much, but then they re-elect Obama.
There were enough people who bought his lies and don’t get that the vision he lays out is contradictory to reality and to their own well-being. There will always be those who must be led by the hand and told how the dots connect. You must explain why some things are good and others bad. When you don’t, then you’re laid vulnerable to fighting on the stage of personal attacks.
The arena is in the realm of ideas. In that ring conservatives will win every time.
INC on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM
So does Paul Ryan, right — he sure wanted that stimulus money.
urban elitist on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM
I don’t think anyone is blaming Ryan. He had the right idea. It appears that he was hamstrung.
INC on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM
From my reading, Ryan and Ann seemed to have some better ideas than the campaign guys. I remember that event from the Villages. I thought it was effective.
forest on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM
I have no objection to Obama advertising on “Two Broke Girls.” I’m just concerned that thanks to him we’ll have “One Broke Country.”
radjah shelduck on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM
Ryan was trying to win through solid strategy. The Romney campaign disagreed and told him to stop.
Ryan is a good soldier. He performed solidly.
I did not agree with Romney picking him. It didn’t help Romney.
portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM
This is what you get for 1 billion?
the_nile on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM
You can nominate someone else, but the same GOP hacks are running the campaign show, running away from the Reagan electoral model and toward the H.W/Dole/McCain/Romney model.
The benefits of conservatism to the working class are not intuitive. It goes against everything we’re taught about 20th Century history in our public schools. It has to be explained and advocated. If you’re not willing to do that, you’re setting your ceiling at 50%+1.
HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Romney picked Ryan to help shore up the conservative base and to help him govern. Obama lost 10 million votes – 16% of his support. He won because 3 million fewer Republicans supported R/R than supported McCain /Palin.
Romney was a terrific candidate. That he and Ryan received less support than McCain/Palin paints a depressing picture of the Republican Party.
Basilsbest on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Yep…bigotry.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM
I guess Boeing, et al can send those lay off notices now. Sorry folks, you voted for it, own it.
FineasFinn on November 7, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Not if it includes marketing. We make an argument for why the government is not responsible for buying people’s birth control and we are successfully painted as anti-woman. We make an argument for the private sector being better at job creation and we are successfully painted as anti-poor.
We don’t need better facts but we desperately need better packaging.
Is your point that he voted for it after sitting in a room with top economic advisers in the country telling congress that the country would be destroyed if they voted against it?
I personally think those advisers wanted the government to bail out their friends but I don’t blame congress for listening to the experts.
If you had a different point you’ll need to restate it as it wasn’t too clear.
JadeNYU on November 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM
+1
visions on November 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM
You’re listing details and facts. I’m talking about ideas—the philosophy behind why those things are bad.
You can’t just chop off the branches. You have to go down to the roots of the tree.
INC on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM
Ah…got it.
I’m also in agreement that we need to start making the philosophical case.
We shouldn’t have to tell people “policy x is a bad idea”. They should be able to reach that conclusion on their own based on the facts.
I’m just not sure how you get that message out there.
More idea speeches to groups we want to reach?
Fun YouTube videos that people will pass along?
Encourage more conservatives to go into teaching at public schools?
Obviously it can be done because the socialists have done a great job of shifting the world view of the average American…..
JadeNYU on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM
We’re back to this again, I see.
If a Republican tries to secure already-allocated money for his district, then he’s a big-govmint spending hypocrite.
If a Republican refuses stimulus dollars on principle, he’s a moron who lets his ideology override the needs of his constituents.
Pretty convenient catch-22 you guys have there, having been the ones to vote for the money in the first place.
The Schaef on November 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Not “letting Ryan set the agenda” completely negated their chief reason for bringing him on board.
The man was the head of the Budget Committee, and the source of his appeal was his willingness to go toe to toe with Obama on fiscal issues – PPACA, entitlement spending, deficits, and so on.
To try and add that appeal to your campaign, while simultaneously muzzling him on his signature issue, makes me wonder why you likely short-circuited his political future beyond the House by bringing him on at this stage.
The Schaef on November 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM
I think Romney was an acceptable candidate.
But Remember, VP candidates are picked to fill in the gaps found on the top of the ticket.
Reagan picked Bush because he needed the NE Repubs & to unify the GOP during a hard fought nominee fight.
Bush picked Quayle to help him get the midwest and heartland vote.
Kennedy picked Johnson to get the south, and boost the ticket because of Kennedy’s youth.
Bush picked Cheney to boost his ticket because of his youth,and experience. Cheney was a Republican Sacred Cow serving in many R administrations.
Obama picked Biden to boost his ticket because of his youth and inexperience. Biden is a sacred cow of the Senate.
What did Ryan deliver to the Romney ticket?
Romney lost Ryan’s regions
Romney lost a small percentage of his base voters
Romney didn’t get any bounce from the Ryan announcement
portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM
Jobs that they will not show up for and then have a ACLU lawyer sue the company for discrimination.
Mimzey on November 7, 2012 at 3:04 PM
All this explanation of Ryan’s fault…Romney’s fault…bad “chess moves”"..etc are crap.
You know why we lost?…people no longer care about the honor of their country. 230+ years of blood and treasure thrown away for the opportunity to become a teenager again.
Mimzey on November 7, 2012 at 3:09 PM
This sounds like the best defense against “Palin lost us the 2008 election” that I’ve ever heard.
Rove got GWB reelected by running an incredibly divisive campaign which came back to bite him in the butt 2 years later. Axlerod is doing the same thing. Have patience, my friends. The SCOAMF will out.
alwaysfiredup on November 7, 2012 at 3:27 PM
To do that, we need people who are capable of making the philosophical case. Too many politicians are promoted because of their voting records alone and not because of their oratorical skills or charisma or other persuasive qualities.
I’m not saying sacrifice conservatism for personality, although it is very important to remember that no candidate is perfect and one who seems so will be easily characterized as “extreme”. Instead, give the charismatic newcomer a shot at that senate seat instead of going with the guy who has been your U.S. House rep for the past decade.
And be open to considering every candidate who wants to be known as grassroots fiscal conservative before making the choice; we are way, waaaaaaay too fractured at the primary level.
alwaysfiredup on November 7, 2012 at 3:32 PM