Todd Starnes
Herman Cain calls for the creation of third party
“We need a third party to save this country,” Cain told American Family Radio host Bryan Fischer. “This country is in trouble and it is clear that neither party — is going to fix the problems we face.”
Cain agreed with Fischer’s assessment that conservatives are growing tired of being ignored by Republican party leadership — and that many believe the GOP no longer speaks for them. …
“I don’t believe the Republican Party has the ability to rebrand itself against the mainstream media machine that blatantly works to support this president and other liberals as well as the Democrats,” Cain told the radio host.









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What? No… we can’t do… that. We must continue to support the GOP because… um, because if we dont, then the Democrats win. And win. And win, and win, and win.
YOU DONT WANT THAT, DO YOU?
Jeddite on November 7, 2012 at 11:44 PM
Herman Cain is apparently an idiot.
ZachV on November 7, 2012 at 11:46 PM
It’s rather unlikely that it’d really be a third party. Odds are conservatives would coalesce around it, squishes would break for the Dems, and the GOP would fade away.
Sounds like a good deal. Let’s give it a shot.
Atlas on November 7, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Every political constituency benefits from electoral reform. Every single one. There is no more pressing matter than entirely redesigning the way we vote, and I’m talking more than just something like eliminating the electoral college. We need mandatory runoffs, and we need some way to register more than one choice, with preferences. Do that, and we can have many parties, where real differences can emerge and coalitions can be built out in the open and subject to elections.
ernesto on November 7, 2012 at 11:48 PM
Because party = chicks!
Mark1971 on November 7, 2012 at 11:50 PM
I hate to feed a troll, but what ernesto says is actually fairly sensible (outside of the EC, which is essential for protecting this enormous Republic from fraud).
Unfortunately, that’s not a national issue, and even if it was you wouldn’t get it with a divided government facing total fiscal collapse. The states handle election methods. Maybe you could get one to have runoffs and multiple selection ballots and see how it works.
HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Herman Cain = idiot.
Conservative third party = Democrats’ dream
bluegill on November 7, 2012 at 11:55 PM
Why not stick with what we already have?
sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 11:56 PM
He’s right.
In case you missed it last night, the GOP just went the way of the Whigs.
Sad, really, for the party of Lincoln.
Dominion on November 7, 2012 at 11:56 PM
If Herman Cain were presidential material, he’d work to create it himself.
hicsuget on November 7, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Let me guess, the third party he speaks of is in his pants.
LevStrauss on November 7, 2012 at 11:59 PM
Well that’s why he’s saying this stuff, think he’s gonna modify his fairtax and try a run with a third party just to stay in the public eye.
LevStrauss on November 8, 2012 at 12:00 AM
Bait ball alert…
3rd party or replace the GOP “leadership” that continues to enable the left, which ever occurs first…
Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 12:05 AM
Pffft. What the GOP needs is a Hispanic candidate. Then everything will be alright.
Sharke on November 8, 2012 at 12:08 AM
No, no. What we need is a second Libertarian party that champions free birth control for men. That will be the ticket!
Jesse on November 8, 2012 at 12:20 AM
im going to post something i put on QOTD, so, excuse me
“The most depressing thing about this election is seeing the squabbling amongst conservatives in its aftermath. People calling others “SoCons!” Others calling their fellow conservatives “RINOS!” It is distressing. The collapse of confidence and utter despair I see in the movement is the most distressing part of this entire debacle.
Over the next few weeks, people across the conservative movement are going to prescribe their solutions to the disaster that was last night. Most of it will be white noise.
The biggest take away for me is that we all need to get along. Some of us don’t like abortion. Some of us don’t want taxpayers to pay for it. Some don’t care at all. A good portion of us are okay with homos getting married (that includes me but, frankly, it isn’t anywhere near a top priority for me when we have 16 trillion in debt). Some are not okay with it one bit.
Regardless of our differences, it truly is time to come together. We are up against the wall. Stop blaming one another. We fought a good fight. God-fearing Americans donated money and time; not so religious conservatives did the same. Conservatives who believe in traditional marriage fought in this election, as did those who see gay marriage as acceptable.
We did a good job, but we couldn’t top the machine.
The postulations and suggestions in relation to the “Where do we go from here?” question will be numerous, and at times nauseating. During this time, let’s keep the following in perspective:
1) Although we lost, SIXTY MILLION of us voted for sanity. Until that number is 15, 25 million, I refuse to believe that this country is lost.
2) Obama has twice run on lowering taxes and the deficit. He continually runs as a moderate. That points to the fact that the majority of this country is centrist. We are not a socialist nation (in terms of ideology).
3) We own the House. I understand that John BONER inspires very little confidence (I have a hard [hehe pun] time getting excited [there I go again] over Boehner). With that said, they want to beat the Democrats in 2014. They will stifle him in many aspects of his agenda.
4) The honeymoons don’t last in second terms. Name me more than three presidents in the last fifty years that ended up with a better approval rating the second time around.
5) The Affordable Health Care act is still unpopular. As it becomes implemented, it will become even more unpopular.
6) The economy will not improve, and people will see this. I know many people here think that the Democrats have some sort of permanent majority, and that the electorate shift we have witnessed is insurmountable. Those people should know better. Nothing is ever a guarantee in politics. We should stop giving ourselves unnecessary agita over this election. It was bad, but not “career-ending,” if you will.
7) We should not engage in the burning of moderates, nor should we engage in the pillaging of social conservatives. We need both. To form a broad, national coalition, we NEED moderates in states that only moderates can win, and we need the strong conservatives to pull the herd (look at how Nancy Pelosi got things done with Blue Dogs vis a vis the HellCare Bill). In addition, we should welcome social conservatives, and not ostracize them. Black Democrats hate gays, and Latinos aren’t that into abortion, so let’s stop kidding ourselves that gay marriage and abortion are just game enders for the GOP. Tailor the message to the times, of course, but with that said, ridding ourselves of SoCons is a stupid, potentially costly idea.
The road to victory lies in a broad coalition that understands its commonality. The road to victory lies in shedding ourselves of the “Fifty plus one” strategy advocated by Karl Rove. Over the last thirteen years, the GOP has fallen back to its “Alamo”: the South and Midwest. We need to engage in every state, even if we lose. New York state went from having an actual presence in in the late 90′s/early 2000′s (with over 12 congressmen), to barely a whimper today (with less than half of the people we had back in the aforementioned time). We must fight the Democrats in every arena, even if we know we will lose. That is messaging.
The solutions to what we face are complicated, but they aren’t hard. I just hope that we can stick together and fight for this country. We have faced many bad things in our time; Hitler, civil war, a depression, the USSR, etc. If we come together, if we have principled leaders that also retain political finesse, we can get done what we need to do.
In the next four years, our times of scarcity will become even more severe, and that scarcity will have to be met with words of substance.
America has chosen another empty host to guide her through malaise. She will be incredibly chastened over the next two to four years. It is up to us to be there, waiting.
Walk away, or stay.”
blatantblue on November 8, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Have fun with that!
thebrokenrattle on November 8, 2012 at 12:34 AM
STFU, Herb. Aren’t you too busy chasing tail to manage a third party?
KingGold on November 8, 2012 at 12:37 AM
Yeah, because if you can’t beat one party, the next step is clearly to try and beat two parties. Moron.
Ronnie on November 8, 2012 at 12:38 AM
blatantblue on November 8, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Well said sir, well said.
thebrokenrattle on November 8, 2012 at 12:41 AM
Where are you going to find the conservatives to run for this third party? If they aren’t even willing to run on the republican ticket where they actually have a shot, I doubt they’ll be knocking down the door to run on a third party ticket where they are guaranteed to lose. Not that it really matters at this point. We have reached the tipping point, and there is no turning back, no matter how many Conservatives we elect.
xblade on November 8, 2012 at 12:46 AM
I’m all for conservatives getting a third party on the ballot in every state. Lets push for the green party to get on the ballot in every state. As for a conservative party, it is dumb because it splits the vote. Time for Libertarians, social conservatives, and military conservatives to grow up and not demand that their candidate believe exactly like they do. Romney was squish, but he would have addressed some of the budget problems at least as well as other problems of the day.
Chubbs65 on November 8, 2012 at 12:54 AM
Sure, Herman. Put your stupid out there for all the world to see so that way no one ever takes you seriously again.
alchemist19 on November 8, 2012 at 1:03 AM
Come on, Cain. You can be better than this.
Security Mom on November 8, 2012 at 1:19 AM
Because the Reform-Party, the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party were such roaring successes, right? We need one more of these! And it must be led by Herman-you-go-first-Newt-Cain!
Valkyriepundit on November 8, 2012 at 1:24 AM
It’s a laughable suggestion. Until it’s true.
Are we there yet? I’m not sure. But this is how the Whig party disappeared, and it’s already looking like the Republican party is losing the ability to win elections because of who we run and how we run.
Bottom line: Either the Republican party starts courting conservatives and starts running conservatives rather than Democrat-lites, or it will disappear within a decade or so. I’m not yet sure which path we’re going, but I think we’ll be finding out soon.
There Goes The Neighborhood on November 8, 2012 at 1:35 AM
3rd party? Don’t we have like 30 already?
DarkCurrent on November 8, 2012 at 1:35 AM
Can’t believe I once kinda liked this guy. (Not enough to vote for, just enough to cheer.)
Dude is a dullard. Somebody tell him his 15 minutes are up.
Splashman on November 8, 2012 at 2:12 AM
there needs to be a conservative party that
-is politically incorrect
-is blunt and straightforward and doesn’t sugarcoat things
-isn’t afraid to talk about social issues. doesn’t think social issues are something to be shoved aside and hidden away.
-isn’t afraid to talk about benghazi and other scandals
-directly challenges msm bias with enormous force.
-fights corruption/ political establishment/ crony capitalism in both parties
-doesn’t play it safe.
-calls liberals out on their bullcrap
Sachiko on November 8, 2012 at 2:14 AM
Cain has the right sentiment, because the GOP is failing, not just in terms of elections, but also in terms of not proposing the types of change that will roll back the big govt monster. But 3rd party, per se, isn’t the answer.
A replacement party for GOP is a great idea. If something could arise, like the Tea Party, and cause the GOP to break apart and disappear, awesome! And actually the “Republican” moniker is now tarnished as “country club” etc.
But, alas, the easiest path would be to field a Republican candidate that would have the power to accomplish what needs to be accomplished, and also get elected. Now I was never a Ron Paul fan, but I believed in much of what he said. A Ron Paul with just the right amount of “moderation” and a revised foreign policy could have won it all. What about RAND Paul 2016? And what about that he sweeps away the govt monster, including Obamacare? And what about a fervent libertarian bent that appeals to the entire electorate, including the youth?
anotherJoe on November 8, 2012 at 2:48 AM
And just how long do you think it will take the MSM to “tarnish” the moniker of the new party?
Over/under is 17.3 minutes.
The rest of your post? That’s a whole lotta pipe dreams you got there.
Splashman on November 8, 2012 at 3:10 AM
For those of you who haven’t seen it yet, watch Bill Whittle’s opinion on where we are and how we should move forward. It’s almost ninety minutes long; well worth it: A New Beginning . . .
Teaser: We can’t fight this monster; it’s time to set up a parallel system.
I can’t say I agree with him — I’m still digesting it. But it’s good food for thought.
Splashman on November 8, 2012 at 3:17 AM
We aren’t going to have viable third parties until we end “winner take all” electoral votes. ALL states need to adopt the system Nebraska and Maine use.
2 electoral votes to the candidate who wins the overall popular vote of the state. 1 electoral vote to the winner of each House district in a state.
crosspatch on November 8, 2012 at 3:19 AM
But we should do that with electoral votes now, regardless of third parties.
crosspatch on November 8, 2012 at 3:19 AM
I’m ready to send him 10 bucks a month… and I’m Canadian.
Alberta_Patriot on November 8, 2012 at 3:31 AM
Donald Trump and Herman Cain. The perfect team — for me to poop on.
hepcat on November 8, 2012 at 4:50 AM
You mean like they’re winning now?
Look friend – if you don’t want someone to start a third party then you may want to GIVE people a reason to stay in yours. You might start by FIRING the discredited establishment Ayatollahs that control the GOP.
If you don’t have the nerve to do that – please don’t demagogue those who choose to leave.
HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 4:53 AM
Hey, Herman, why don’t you form the Womanizing Party.
You may even be able to attract some Democrats. Sadly Teddy Kennedy is dead but there may be others across the aisle who would join. Maybe Chris Dodd would get back into elective politics.
hepcat on November 8, 2012 at 5:02 AM
We get 49% in a national election, & some losers say we’re through.
Good thing there was no GOP breakup after Ford’s loss, or there would have been no Reagan.
itsnotaboutme on November 8, 2012 at 5:47 AM
Here’s something that might be easier. One of the original bill of rights was Article The First, which would have capped House districts at 50K citizens. Right now, they have about 650K each. If we passed an amendment that capped it at 50 or 100K, the House would have thousands of members. Each district would be so small that third parties would have a real shot at emerging in the House. The Senate would be tougher of course, but once a party had a big contingent in the House, they could run candidates for president and have a decent shot at it.
Odysseus on November 8, 2012 at 6:08 AM
I’d even accept two to the winner of the national popular vote as long as we split the rest proportionally.
Odysseus on November 8, 2012 at 6:13 AM
Real conservative = fiscal conservative? Real conservative = social conservative? Real conservative = fiscal and social conservative?
rhombus on November 8, 2012 at 6:25 AM
Third party? We barely have two parties.
CrustyB on November 8, 2012 at 6:55 AM
You mean a gay, black, hispanic, transgendered womyn and her gay, former crackhead husband.
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When you consider that the GOP is the party that gave us McCain and Romney, I think you find out where the problem is to begin with.
At least the Dems learned from their Kerry and Dukakis mistakes. No more candidates from Massachusetts!
We should probably try to get the NYT and ABC/NBC/CBS bought by someone on the far Right.
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We have a third party in all states…Libertarian. Yet they keep coming up spoilers. MAYBE that party just needs an infusion of liberty loving people who aren’t just after legalized pot. I say that as a non-smoking Libertarian from before it was cool.
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But frankly, I think we are pretty much screwed. I’m thinking I should just get in line for my food stamps, my free phone, etc., and take it from there. The main differences is that I will be sure to set up a blog over my free Internet connection to thank the remaining few Americans who work to give me my free stuff.
ProfShadow on November 8, 2012 at 7:13 AM
Terrible idea. 3rd party cost our side votes in OH, and VA (maybe elsewhere – just know about these two states).
Better idea: The Democrat Party should just make it official and change its name to the Socialist Party. We can fight on from there.
Buy Danish on November 8, 2012 at 7:53 AM
I’ve been studying the Whigs recently. What ended up destroying them in the end was the component parts of the party flying apart on the slavery question. The Whigs had an outdated party platform and traditional issues, many of which ceased to be relevant or ended up on the backburner by the 1850s, and it’s worth noting that many Whigs refused to support the last serious Whig candidate, Winfield Scott, leading to a massive wipeout in the election of 1852.
Frankly, we’re in a similar time of crisis and much like the Whigs, the Republican Party is increasingly riven by factionalism. The inter-party factions don’t really agree on anything – not spending, not taxes, not entitlements, not foreign policy, not social issues, not government power, not military policy, nothing.
Fear of Obama and the Democrats and inertia has been all that’s held us together at this point. Now that Obama’s been re-elected, some of that fear is gone. I wonder whether inertia will be enough at this point.
Doomberg on November 8, 2012 at 8:05 AM
bb–you may be young–but you are wise beyond your years!!!! Those calling for a 3rd party are incredibly stupid. Talk about going European…In Europe, they have MANY political parties, and all those do is end up coalescing together in the end, with the two most powerful parties facing each other. It is chaotic.
And bb–you give me hope, when we are feeling so hopeless. There ARE young people who still believe in our founding principles, and those of us who have children and grandchildren need to stop licking our wounds and shoulder our weapons and get back in the fight.
My God, people throughout time had had to fight worse wars then this to win their country! Our Founding Fathers had to use their won blood to win this country…we need to use our wits and the resources that have been invented…
It was NOT because Mitt was “squishy” that he wasn’t elected–I think it was because of the way he was handled. People called Obambi the “star” prezzy cause of all the shows he was on…but Romney wouldn’t even go on O’Reilly, who reaches millions. Romney needed to go on Leno (not that ass Letterman), and Jon Stewart–he needed to show his “human” side–his sense of humor–his smarts to the low-information voter. In the last 4 months, Romney SURGED because people got to know him as a good guy, as a “regular” guy, who cared about them…and he should’ve counter-acted the negative campaigning when it first developed. Listening to the fluking “pundits” did him in! Those damn talking heads who think they know how to run and win a campaign from their stools on FOX…
And the fluking RNC needs to stop agreeing to the a$$wipe liberals being given full reighn as moderators of debates. We MUST insist on one of our own as a moderator or refuse to debate. We can produce our own debates ourselves–if the MSM won’t comply with our demands. Huckabee did that, with Cain and Newt…you think the MSM would give up the chance of hosting a debate?
You give me hope to pick up the flag and carry on, bb…
lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2012 at 8:06 AM
And it REALLY pisses me off with people telling me WHAT kind of “conservative” I should be…Romney was winning the independents, and I truly think he would’ve won, if not for Hurrican Sandy. The photo-op for the president with fatso–promoted a false picture of bipartisanship, and took Romney’s critical talking point away from him.
We will NEVER have a true “conservative” win–get over it. Heck, if Reagan ran today, he would’ve been castigated as Romney had been…Reagan was the governor of California for heavens sake, and HE had believed in abortion and other ideas that “true cons” would bash him for now. We need someone who encapsulates conservative principles, but would appeal to the moderates, because, according to the polls, the conservatives are NOT the major voting block of the nation…no matter HOW people want to wish…
And we need to learn to discern between a RINO and someone who knows how to get things done…working across the aisle is necessary, but we need to have firm demands. No compromise without results!
lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2012 at 8:22 AM
Oh, and one last thing…I was on the Cain wagon before any of you…and he proved last night that he really DOESN’T have the capacity to be president of our country. As with his choice in campaign managers and handlers–he has shown that he isn’t capable of wise discernment…
lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2012 at 8:27 AM
Herman Cain is no idiot. This seems to be a very viable option. Beats losing every election.
DanaSmiles on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 AM
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