A time for choosing: Will big government be the new normal?
The European model of social democracy has its virtues, but it has always depended on the wealth created by American laissez-faire. As a recent economic paper entitled “Can’t We All Be More Like Scandinavians?” points out, it’s easier for smaller countries to afford a more “cuddly” form of capitalism if big countries like the United States are driving global economic growth. And the price of a permanently larger government — in growth lost, private-sector jobs left uncreated, breakthroughs forgone — is much higher for a country of our size and influence than it is for a Sweden or a France.
What’s more, we would be paying this increased price at a very different demographic and economic moment than when the European welfare states were built, or for that matter when our own entitlement system was established.
It’s one thing for a young, fast-growing nation — like the America of the 1960s — to embrace a permanently larger public sector. It’s quite another for a graying society with a stagnant economy and a sinking birthrate to do the same. There’s a risk of a vicious cycle, in which a shrinking working-age population bears the burden of growing old-age entitlements, which in turn discourages precisely the kind of risk-taking and family formation required to keep the system solvent.









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Bmore on November 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM
If it is, we’re screwed.
MelonCollie on November 4, 2012 at 9:53 AM
If rich people would pay more we could afford everything for everyone.
Bishop on November 4, 2012 at 9:54 AM
I just want all the free stuff and Barky paying my mortgage.
CorporatePiggy on November 4, 2012 at 9:56 AM
So, the least insane member of the unholy trinity of Douthat, Brooks and Frum comes out ever so slightly on the side of actual conservatism (although he can see merit in the alternative). /puke
ElectricPhase on November 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM
Yesterday’s email:
Don’t forget to change your clock tonight.
And your President on Tuesday.
honsy on November 4, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Free phones for all!
davidk on November 4, 2012 at 10:12 AM
There are many obvious differences between a massive country like the US vs. a Scandinavian country. However, there are also “politically incorrect” factors that the Left chooses to ignore when they lust “to be more like Europe:”
-European countries have a very tight, restrictive immigration policy. The kind that all Leftists here would decry as “racist.” Are they racist? No, just common sense. The US, on the other hand, has defacto open borders. The Europeans understand that you cannot have a massive welfare/nanny state and open borders. The US Lefties do not.
-European countries are very culturally homogenous. This matters. The US is the most culturally diverse country in the history of man. I believe this is a good thing. But a “one-size-fits-all” welfare state, AKA single payer, would never work here due to wide cultural differences. Single-payer is best left to the states, if it’s wanted by the citizens. Common sense.
Parting thought: Scandinavian countries are moving conservative (in the American sense.) We are moving hard Left. Here’s why: Learning from Sweden’s Free Market Renaissance.
visions on November 4, 2012 at 10:16 AM
I’m looking forward to a big sign in Staten Island that says:
“Don’t Benghazi us, Obama!”
honsy on November 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM
What needs to happen is for small government to become the new normal.
Steve Eggleston on November 4, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Hardly. Check out the foreign muslim invasion of most western European countries. Even Sweden is feeling the heat. France, England, and Germany imported and now produce home grown 2nd generation muslim terrorists.
Denmark is the only European country I can think of that has escaped the European Immigration Jihad.
Uh, not at all. See above. Lefties here b*tch and moan about racism and whilst we do have genuine racists like Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and Barky – they are FAR outside the mainstream. The nationalist openly racist parties of Europe are gaining ground because the culture is no longer homogenous, it is multicultural. And there is no example in history of a stable multicultural society as envisioned by in the international left.
Last time I checked, the marginal tax rates in Scandanavian countries can top 60%. And VAT (which is not sales tax but a sales tax applied at every level of production) tends to be 20%+ which makes for a very high cost of living.
Moving conservative??
CorporatePiggy on November 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM
There is no risk, it is a certainty!
astonerii on November 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM
The Progressive vision creates Greece, riots, chaos, turbulence, suffering and so on. I’ll take some belt tightening, pulling together, sending Harry Reid to Hugo Chavez along with Obummer, Schumer, Durbin, Axlerod (without mustache.)
Herb on November 4, 2012 at 10:40 AM
None of the countries with large welfare/social safety nets can afford these programs. Not at the current levels. Demographics, slow growth rates, global economy – the math just doesn’t allow it.
For some reason our liberal friends believe that all we need to do is end the “Bush tax cuts for the rich” and end “Bushes wars” and our financial/debt problems will be solved.
Eliminating the cuts for the top earners will generate about $80 billion a year (assuming it doesn’t hurt growth). And ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will save us about $120 billion. So we have $200 billion in revenues.
The deficit is over $1 trillion and our national debt is over $16 trillion. Two hundred billion doesn’t affect those numbers much.
Big government can’t continue. The money simply isn’t there.
SteveMG on November 4, 2012 at 10:45 AM
I dunno Ross, let’s see what the Founders had to say about big government.
Left Coast Right Mind on November 4, 2012 at 10:47 AM
YES – BIG GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO STAY …
Until the balloon goes up and everything collapses.
Both the Dims and the GOP have an indisputable record of GROWING GOVERNMENT. The fact that the Dims always promise to grow government and spend a bit more than Republicans in no way makes them any worse (in the long term) than Republicans.
HondaV65 on November 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Agreed – but that doesn’t mean that big spending will come to an ordered and mutually agreed upon end.
There is a 100 percent chance that our political leaders (on both sides) will simply put band aids and wrap duct tape around the problem areas of this fiscal engine until it gives out completely and no longer runs at all.
HondaV65 on November 4, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Finally, you say something sensible.
CorporatePiggy on November 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Good point. Because we have the ability to print money – unlike the Europeans – the response here will likely be to monentize the debt. And tinker around the edges. So, print more money, raise eligbility standards/cut benefits at the margins, et cetera.
Delaying the inevitable.
SteveMG on November 4, 2012 at 11:13 AM
No
Schadenfreude on November 4, 2012 at 12:25 PM