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Nevada: Gary Johnson pulling more votes from Obama than Romney in tight race
Romney’s big gain over the last month has been with white voters, who he’s going from leading 52-45 with to 55-42. He’s made gains across the party spectrum, notably increasing his crossover support with Democrats from 10% to 16% and cutting Obama’s lead with independents from 15 points down to 7 points.
The main groups fueling Obama’s continued lead are Hispanics, who give him a 67-32 advantage, and young voters who favor him 67-33.
When Gary Johnson’s included he gets 3% and actually takes mostly from Obama, pulling his lead over Romney down to 48/47. That could be something worth keeping an eye on.
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I guess they took Obama’s anti-pot moves to heart.
rob verdi on October 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Heartache!
Dack Thrombosis on October 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM
That Gary Johnson takes mostly from 0bama, is no surprise to those who have noted the very distinct leftward turn in the libertarian movement.
Rebar on October 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM
So, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney on net. Interesting…
astonerii on October 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Nice work, Pragmatic! Keep spreading the word!
UltimateBob on October 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Ha!
thebrokenrattle on October 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM
And oh look…the usual suspects are still lamenting Gary Johnson, even though the article in question is stating that Gary Johnson’s support is weakening Obama.
Maybe they’d all be happier if those Gary Johnson voters went back to their first choice, and Obama won. See? I can cast stupid aspersions, too.
MadisonConservative on October 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM
H. Gary Perot?
Doughboy on October 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM
I’m wondering about the effect of Virgil Goode on the Constitution Party line here in VA, because he did represent VA in Congress and should have fairly good name recognition. May only take a few thousand votes to swing this thing either way.
changer1701 on October 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Johnson’s pulling the legalize weed demo, those guys aren’t going for Romney if Johnson isn’t there.
bannor on October 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM
OT: Cutter blames Romney and Ryan for fallout with Benghazigate.
mwbri on October 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Hey kids, Gary’s so cool!
I know!
Seth Halpern on October 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Good gosh, is this man still around? Must be, but don’t go with polls people, they lie!
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letget on October 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM
He is!
Seth Halpern on October 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM
NV, CO and NM
Schadenfreude on October 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM
IN NEVADA….IF you believe the poll.
JFKY on October 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Schadenfreude on October 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Punchenko on October 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Liberals will not entertain a Conservative Republican viewpoint no matter what, but often are quite open to the Libertarian presentation of policy ideas. The title alone – Libertarian, is an entry point in itself for them. They can at least listen and then maybe even agree with some of what they hear.
unrealizedviewpoint on October 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
That liberals are receptive to the libertarian liberal social policies is a given.
What Johnson gives, is an outlet for democrats who are sorely disappointed in 0bama but cannot bring themselves to vote GOP.
Rebar on October 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM
While I support Paul and Johnson for the most part,
I have always suspected that many of their supporters are really just pot head single issue voters and would rather vote Dem than Rep.
esnap on October 11, 2012 at 4:05 PM
But the important question is, how many votes is Stosh Huntsman peeling off from Romney in Utah?
UltimateBob on October 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM
What Johnson gives, is an outlet for democrats who are sorely disappointed in
0bamaall politics but cannot bring themselves to vote GOP.unrealizedviewpoint on October 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM
They are only really with us on economic policy (and only to a certain extent). Their primary interest has always been social issues such as drug legalization and they will put aside any economic conservatism to vote for social issues candidates.
The number of “economy-first libertarians” is extremely small, probably less than one percent of the electorate, unfortunately.
Doomberg on October 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM
I agree. Gary Johnson gives them an out. There is a certain contingent of liberals that are slightly to the right of far left and they know by now that Obama is toxic and definately not good for the country. But they can’t make the full transformation and vote for a Republican so they are going to vote for Gary Johnson.
Ditkaca on October 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM
That matches what I see in California. Most of the Johnson voters are young stoners who voted Obama last time and are voting for Johnson just for his stand on pot.
Romney doesn’t take as many because Ryan said in Colorado that he believes the federal government should leave the states alone on that issue. This is as opposed to Obama’s position which has been to continue federal crackdowns even in states with local laws allowing pot.
So it would be natural that Johnson would take more from Obama than from Romney/Ryan. In this part of California, Johnson’s pot issue position is the only traction he is getting.
crosspatch on October 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM
These so called Libertarians remind me of the so called Independents,
neither seem smart enough to pick a side, get involved and steer it ala
Tea Party or commies on the other side.
OTTO on October 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM
I dunno. This is PPP (D) after all.
Could be some reverse psychology trick. I’ve always assumed that Johnson takes votes from Romney.
Norwegian on October 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Libertarians don’t follow your world view that whoever occupies the presidency is solely responsible for economic outcomes during their tenure. That is Team Red/Blue belief. Libertarians on the economic front want MASSIVE deregulation, they want an abolition of income tax at the minimum, and they want a drastic cut in government in spending at all levels. Including the military.
Neither Romney or Obama offer ANY difference when it comes to these differences. You are creating strawmen when you claim libertarians don’t care about economics. But for libertarians, your argument boils down to “Romney would be better for the economy, since he’s a businessman! Even though he offers zero, ZERO difference when it comes to the substantiative limited-government ideals that libertarians value.”
All you moron so-cons pontificating on what you think libertarian priorities are straight up drooling retards. Stephen Colbert’s understanding of conservative Republicanism is a lot more accurate than YOUR shitty parodies of libertarian beliefs. And Colbert is wildly off the mark and doesn’t understand the first thing about conservatism. So what does that say about you guys?
And for the record, the entire premise, the execution, and the results of the Drug War makes a GREAT avatar for the failure of a big, activist busybody government. Countless lives, dollars, resources, and freedoms infringed on. All to prevent people from consuming something other people think they shouldn’t. Like Moochelle and Bloombergs anti-salt and fat crusades.
Daikokuco on October 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM
The greedy SEIU maintains and operates the voting machines in Nevada. Dingy Harry saw to that. Nevada will never be in play for Republicans as long as that level of corruption is allowed.
slickwillie2001 on October 11, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Who?
MassVictim on October 11, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Now I understand.
BuckeyeSam on October 11, 2012 at 4:22 PM
I was thinking about actually addressing some of the substantive things you said in your post until I came to the above quoted line. With that, I’ll just leave you to your little fantasy land, secure in the knowledge that libertarians never have any chance of winning any significant election ever, anywhere. The fact that you are so frustrated to resort to red faced named calling is evidence of that.
Shump on October 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM
I need to go smoke some dope…
Lanceman on October 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Libertarians also defend private property rights, capitalism, and gun ownership to a degree that would make your typical statist big-government Republican (of whom Romney is an excellent example) blush.
Romney is a guy who said in 2009 that the stimulus wasnt big ENOUGH, he is a guy who pushed excessive anti-gun legislation while Governor of MA (above and beyond the AWB, which I seem to remember Republicans having a big grudge against Clinton and the Brady Bunch for), and he is a guy who has repeatedly expressed pro-taxation sentiments. Just see all that pro-tax, pro-regulation crap he spewed in the last debate. If you aren’t entitled to even keep the fruit of your own labor, what else can be taken from you at the whim of some government douchebag?
Daikokuco on October 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Libertarians making friends and influencing people… again.
Newsflash: social conservatives have done more for fiscal conservatism, than all the libertarians in history put together.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Rebar on October 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Daikokuco you liberty lovers enthusiasm is irresistibly infectious. where do I sign up?
tom daschle concerned on October 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Nice projection, bub. I’m not frustrated or red faced. I don’t give a crap if Obama or Romney wins. Obama won last time, I’m fine. Before that it was Bush, ditto. Under Romney, same thing. Whoever wins, I can DEAL WITH IT. Because I’m not a chicken-littling crybaby tool like you and all your Republican ilk.
Daikokuco on October 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
ROFL. 1) I don’t care if I influence you or if you want to be my friend. You’re a statist dirtbag, so the more I alienate you, the better. Probably the same way you feel when you offend a Pelosi-lover. Good.
And nice source for you so-con propoganda and their alleged fiscal conservatism. LOL. Thanks! You guys and your citations get more laughable by the day.
Daikokuco on October 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Don’t pound your more-libertarian-than-thou chest too hard there skippy, might leave a mark.
Rebar on October 11, 2012 at 4:44 PM
Daikokuco is a counter-productive, disrespectful, ill-tempered dope who not only doesn’t understand the premise behind, “You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar”, Daikokuco hates that the flies have a preference for honey!
Anti-Control on October 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM
1: I always laugh at that notion that so-cons are “statists”. Also, the insults you throw continue to show why people don’t vote in your favor. Treat people with respect and they come around to you.
2: In a much more general sense, what happens if all of the fiscal policies are picked up by Party X and fully implemented, but the social issues are left to fall by the wayside? Answer: An ever-repeating cycle of bankruptcy and wealth. If you never change people’s hearts they will vote for more govt. It doesn’t matter how many times you fix it, it will keep breaking. All you are doing is addressing the symptom of the problem. And eventually, the people get to a state to where it can’t be fixed, and you die as a nation. What then?
nobar on October 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Another sorry pantload projecting harder than DWS! Try practicing what you preach, clown. Flies are disgusting by the way, and an apt description for you and your pals. Not attracting “flies” (people like yourselves) is a point of favor to me. Keep trying.
Daikokuco on October 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Tea Party or commies. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
MadisonConservative on October 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
So-cons want to use the power of government to push their ideal. They embrace the idea of government power just as fully as the godless commies, they just wish to use it for different ends. Like forcing their moral codes on non-believers.
What do you think Republicans and Democrats have been doing for the last century? Promising people all kinds of fantastic things and then assuring them that someone else (or even nobody) will be the ones who have to actually pay for it.
Romney says we can spend $700 billion more on medicare than currently and increase military spending, and best of all, it won’t cost the American citizens a dime! How dumb of a tool do you have to be to actually believe that crap?
Daikokuco on October 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
It’s always “Blame somebody else, I didn’t do it!” with these South Side thugs, isn’t it?
JohnGalt23 on October 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
They are all high….
nazo311 on October 11, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Seems to me, it’s you all that needs to keep trying:
All the votes put together wouldn’t put a libertarian within eyeshot of the white house.
With advocates like yourself, it’s not difficult to see why that is.
I doubt Johnson will do better than Barr did last time.
Rebar on October 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM
Do I care? Did I ever claim that Gary Johnson is viable, that he is going to win, that he’ll affect the outcome of a single state? No? Then piss off, tool.
I’m libertarian, but unlike you panic stricken Republicans, I can live with whatever clown Team Red or Team Blue puts up. You guys were devastated when Obammy won, and will be again if he repeats it. Ditto for the Blues. See, I’m not under the delusion that either cartel is “on my side”, and that makes things a lot easier. Try it, if you are willing to take responsibility for yourself. …But thats something the Rs and Ds are incapable of, hence why they need their ridiculous crappy parties and their inconsequential elections. They need the big bad bogeyman on the otherside and the fantasy of their guy of being a white knight representing all thats good with the world. Just pathetic.
Daikokuco on October 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM
I never quite got how Johnson qualified as a libertarian anyway. Or, if libertarians are Gary Johnsons now, why don’t they just cut line and register as Democrats?
J.E. Dyer on October 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM
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