Stop asking if women are funny
I was reminded of my own heckler experience as I read Yael Kohen’s book, We Killed: The Rise Of Women In American Comedy because the introduction to this oral history, citing Christopher Hitchens in Vanity Fair and John Belushi’s “Fire the Girls” campaign, paints the book as a definitive answer to the noncontroversy that will not die: “Are women funny?” To that question I give a hearty eye-roll and a Gob Bluth-style, “Come on!” Of course women are funny, because people are funny. Gender has nothing to do with it, and to say this book answers the question “Are women funny?” does Kohen’s work a disservice and implies it’s a question worth answering or acknowledging, which it is not. Maybe it’ll sell the book, but it mostly sells the book short. …
Indeed, many of the women in Kohen’s book resist the very idea of being discussed as “female comedians.” As Elayne Boosler says, when asked if she wants to be an inspiration to female comics, “Well, I hope I’m just an inspiration to all comics.” Part of comedians’ resistance to serving as role models for their gender comes, it seems, from years of tokenism and lowered expectations on the comedy scene. Club owner Budd Friedman tells Kohen, “In comedy university, you never put two women on after each other.” Later in the book, we meet a young Janeane Garofalo leading the charge against that idea, leaving old-school comedy clubs behind to play alternative venues like bars and bookstores. “Well, we just had a female comic last weekend headlining and she bombed, so we’re not going to have any more women,” she says she was often told. She responded: Do you also say, “Sorry we had a white man here?”
A divide does still exist. For instance, a disturbing recurring theme of the book’s interviews is the emphasis (by both male and female interviewees) on female comedians’ looks. It’s seen as a wild accomplishment for female comedians to be both sexy and hilarious. The criminally underused Rachel Dratch worries that playing unattractive characters on Saturday Night Live killed her career. Actress and Woody Allen muse Louise Lasser bristles at the suggestion that she do comedy because she sees it as an unfeminine, disgusting artform. Producer Barry Katz implies that Sarah Silverman got more stage time, and bettered her craft quicker, because everyone wanted to bang her. While Katz may be telling a sad truth, was it one that needed telling? Silverman is funny. Comedians are put on stage for all sorts of different reasons—as favors, because they’re pretty, because they run another popular show. It’s their ability to deliver when they get there that counts.











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Norm Macdonald covered this question rather nicely:
Norm: Sarah Silverman…hysterical! Who’s funnier than her?
Colin Quinn: Nobody.
Norm: No except dudes.
LevStrauss on October 6, 2012 at 9:31 PM
They can be funny, they just usually aren’t. The only one I can recall goes back decades and that’s Carol Burnett.
sharrukin on October 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM
No, she’s not. She’s hot but not funny.
thebrokenrattle on October 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM
Women can be funny. Men can be funny. Mainly in making loving fun of each other and enjoying the differences. Lighten up, toots.
petefrt on October 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM
That wasn’t funny
faraway on October 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM
I think some women have a good sense of humor. But no, women can’t be funny. Sure there are few here and there that can be funny but the numbers are so small that it’s virtually non-existent.
The Notorious G.O.P on October 6, 2012 at 9:37 PM
True. I didn’t like her then, but compared to what we have now, she’s a star.
petefrt on October 6, 2012 at 9:39 PM
Huh. It needed fixing.
Fallon on October 6, 2012 at 9:42 PM
Ellen, Lucy, Joan Rivers maybe… anybody else?
faraway on October 6, 2012 at 9:42 PM
There are some who can act in TV, or movie comedies but those also tend to be driven by male comedians. Maybe it’s the way women are raised in modern culture? They are usually like Roseanne Barr or the Silverman type.
sharrukin on October 6, 2012 at 9:43 PM
Ellen Degeneres? Not funny, nor is Joan Rivers. Lucy was OK, but Charlie Brown was better.
sharrukin on October 6, 2012 at 9:45 PM
Usually. women are funny when they’re being serious, and seem serious when they are trying to be funny. I’m not sure why, but the nexus of humor runs through women.
Thomas More on October 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM
Female comedians aren’t funny because their jokes come from their vagina.
wildcat72 on October 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM
The only funny female I can recall is Lucille Ball.
wildcat72 on October 6, 2012 at 9:47 PM
Oh my garsh! I’m not sure Janeane is female!
MeatHeadinCA on October 6, 2012 at 9:47 PM
And ick to Sarah Silverman being funny or attractive.
And while we’re talking about the comediennes, why is it that so many of them feel the need to drag their lady parts into it?
MeatHeadinCA on October 6, 2012 at 9:49 PM
That’s a very interesting point. Most of them try to be funny by emulating masculine and/or dirty humor, said mainly from the male point of view, without capitalizing on our wholesomely different views of life and history due to our sexuality.
petefrt on October 6, 2012 at 9:54 PM
How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
That’s NOT funny!!!
andycanuck on October 6, 2012 at 9:55 PM
Or what they perceive to be the male point of view. All too often they don’t have a good grasp of what men think, so they cannot ridicule what they don’t really understand.
sharrukin on October 6, 2012 at 9:59 PM
Really, Silverman? I expected to come in here to find multiple comments of “Yeah, stop asking, because they aren’t,” but even to believers that funny women are out there, you can do better than Silverman.
If I were to make one claim it would be Patricia Routledge. Want to go younger and more American, boy… Mindy Kaling isn’t bad on the writing end, though a bit overboard in her own style.
Gingotts on October 6, 2012 at 10:04 PM
Jeff Dunham – Achmed the Dead Terrorist
sharrukin on October 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM
Here’s a little hint: If you have to TELL people that you’re funny… you are not funny.
logis on October 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM
Yep, let’s make it about race. Evil white men using their privilege to institutionalize gender discrimination by making sure no one thinks female comics are funny.
Anyway, comedy is hard. Also, it seems like any time I’ve gone to a comic there are more men in the audience than women, so it makes sense they’d relate better to male comics. Too many of these supposed top female comics spend their acts talking about their nasty hoo-hoo and and the equivalent of pretending to have sex with a dog. Most of the dudes can’t relate. Most of the women probably can’t relate. Your acts suck, you’re not funny, get over it.
Is it so hard to believe that there can be empirical gender-based differences in markets without discrimination and malicious intent being at the heart of it?
WeekendAtBernankes on October 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM
Amy Schumer is quite funny to me.
SouthernGent on October 6, 2012 at 11:08 PM
Madelin Kahn, Gilda Radner, Gracie Allen, Phyllis Diller.
Notice a trend?
Left Coast Right Mind on October 6, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Rita Rudner was funny to me.
That’s the only recent one I remember.
RIP Phyllis Diller.
connertown on October 7, 2012 at 12:13 AM
The funniest is Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Every time I see her I laugh.
What?
Oh sorry, wrong thread.
pedestrian on October 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM
Lucy Punch as Amy Squirrel in Bad Teacher is some pretty f’ing funny.
John the Libertarian on October 7, 2012 at 1:58 AM
There is no virtue in having to go back 20 years to find something as simple as comedy redeemable.
If you don’t find any women since CB funny that says much more about you than about comedy. I’m guessing that you must be about 65, maybe 70+.
Capitalist Hog on October 7, 2012 at 5:00 AM
Time is wearing on her. She’s not all that funny, and now she’s not all that hot.
DFCtomm on October 7, 2012 at 5:27 AM
Anyway, back to the topic. They could be, but most aren’t. I think it’s a choice, perhaps a subconscious choice, but a choice all the same.
DFCtomm on October 7, 2012 at 5:34 AM
Indeed. Why keep asking ? The answer has been a firm “NO” for as long as I can remember.
deadrody on October 7, 2012 at 6:49 AM
And, no, Rita Rudner, Ellen, etc., are NOT funny. Ironic, maybe. They can occasionally get a chuckle because they point out things that are ironic. But howling laughter funny ? Not even close. And most of the women listed in this thread as having BEEN funny were primarily funny in a written, practiced part, not doing improv comedy.
Kristin Wiig is funny. But not in a stand-up comedian way. She writes good sketches, she develops good characters that make you laugh, and she has a great delivery. But as far as telling jokes, not so much.
deadrody on October 7, 2012 at 6:55 AM
I find very few male comedians funny, to be honest.
Smoothies on October 7, 2012 at 7:47 AM
Someone, please call the wa-a-a-ahmbulance. Get over yourself, lady, and stop whining.
princetrumpet on October 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Not enough room in the light bulb for them to screw.
Discussed a similar subject at Pillage Idiot seven years ago.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 7, 2012 at 9:02 AM
Sherri Lewis and Lambchop were a hoot.
(White socks with black buttons sewn on always break me up.)
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on October 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM