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“The Communism of Karl Marx would probably be actually the best for everybody as a whole”

“Fidel runs a very inhumane — how do you know that?” he asked incredulously. “They have the highest health care of any Latin American country. … What has he done that’s inhumane?”

Castro ran — and his brother now runs — a freedomless despotism, Jesse! By definition, that’s inhumane, TheDC argued.

“Wait a minute, that’s Communism,” he protested. “It’s a different form a government.”

Does Ventura, who sometimes claims he’s a libertarian, not have a problem with Communism?

“Communism is what it is,” he said. “I don’t support Communism. I don’t like that type of government.”

Contradicting himself, as he did on more than one occasion during the interview, he then claimed that Communism may actually be the best political system.

“The Communism of Karl Marx would probably be actually the best for everybody as a whole,” he explained. “But what he didn’t figure into was human nature and that’s what corrupts it.”

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Jesse…the communism of Karl Marx requires the distribution of the means of production. We’ll get there, thanks to 3-D printing and other forms of additive manufacturing, but without the average person possessing the means with which to produce the goods necessary for a comfortable life, there is no communism.

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The mask…it slips.

thebrokenrattle on October 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Words fail me.

http://babalublog.com/2012/10/jesse-ventura-palpably-excited-by-castros-cock-and-thrust-handshake-and-communism/

As Babalu Blog said,

Too many hits to the head…

INC on October 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Al Franken, Jesse Ventura?

Is there something in the water?

sharrukin on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

It’s amazing to me how the people who claim to be libertarians can at the same time embrace communism. Like.. they hate how corporations have all this power… so lets create a government that has ultimate power. I do not trust some of these so called libertarian leaders. They always seem to have this fascist side to them.

JellyToast on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Even by Paul-tard standards, this is really off the wall.

Glenn Jericho on October 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Jesse…the communism of Karl Marx requires the distribution of the means of production. We’ll get there, thanks to 3-D printing and other forms of additive manufacturing, but without the average person possessing the means with which to produce the goods necessary for a comfortable life, there is no communism.

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I’ve got to hand it to you ernie, that’s a pretty darn intelligent statement. More than a little interesting too.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Even by Paul-tard standards, this is really off the wall.

Glenn Jericho on October 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Paulian ‘nuttiness’ is a dollar’s worth of crazy, Neoconism is $10 worth, and this is enough crazy to redeem the entire natioanl debt.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

From my top link at 8:38:

After countless reports to the head of the service, hospital management, discussions within the core of the Cuban Communist Party, and our long standing inability to participate in discussion at other levels with the leaders of the ministry, where medical personnel present their uncensored opinions [8] and ways to solve the major problems currently plaguing the health sector, which include everything from training to direct care, a group of surgeons felt it their elementary duty [8, 9, 10] and agreed to send this letter to the head of the service, for the sole purpose of informing him of the extremely serious elements in healthcare delivery to the Cuban people, which apparently at this time when it is happening in public health in general, and in our hospital in particular, the lack of immediate plans to resolve them are unknown by the top political leadership of the country, contrasting inversely with the official discourse of our media.

Medical care, and especially surgery in our center is a great disaster, characterized by:

A hospital with a destroyed physical structure, due to its age and innumerable poor quality and short-term repairs.
A lack of important resources for the care of patients, because of inadequate distribution, insufficient management, or excess work because of the reduction of this activity in other hospitals for similar reasons.
Human mental deterioration accompanied by the loss of the minimum attention to the person, who spends long days of free labor for a significant number of hours, and in a country where the “free perks” have been ended, and where working conditions are below those of any poor place in the world.

INC on October 3, 2012 at 8:40 PM

So, to clarify, Ventura’s crutch is communism.

J.E. Dyer on October 3, 2012 at 8:40 PM

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

How many countries has this been tried in?

Failures, all of them. Absolute abject failures complete with human misery.

INC on October 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

The great thing about communism is it typically involves killing tens of millions of people.

John the Libertarian on October 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Failures, all of them. Absolute abject failures complete with human misery.

INC on October 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Because every time, for whatever reason, the leadership at the time feels that they can ignore that core tenet of communism: the true distribution of the means of production.

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

“But what he(Marx) didn’t figure into was human nature and that’s what corrupts it.”

In other words, human nature isn’t good enough for communism to work. This guy was never to be taken seriously and this just confirms, more than anything else, why.

rickv404 on October 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

sharrukin on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Ventura ran as a libertarian (by that I mean his positions were libertarian during the campaign; he was the Reform Party nominee) and he wasn’t a loony tinfoil-hat-wearing purveyor of crackpot theories about “chemtrails” and other such idiocy at the time (or if he was he kept it well-hidden). As Governor he became increasingly more petulant and childish with each passing day, eventually degenerating into the deranged weirdo he is today.

Walter Sobchak on October 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

“The Communism of Karl Marx would probably be actually the best for everybody as a whole,” he explained. “But what he didn’t figure into was human nature and that’s what corrupts it.”

Yeah, it was such an awesome and well thought out plan for humanity. There’s just that pesky detail about how it doesn’t work for humans.

RINO in Name Only on October 3, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Because every time, for whatever reason, the leadership at the time feels that they can ignore that core tenet of communism: the true distribution of the means of production.

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

You really, really need to go check out every book David Horowitz ever wrote and read them all.

And while you’re at it, read some Thomas Sowell.

That whatever reason is called being human.

INC on October 3, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Because every time, for whatever reason

It’s called human nature, Ernesto. We have thousands of years of documentation.

“Men are not angels” Madison pointed out. And so you have to devise a system that prevents bad people from attaining power. That includes limits and checks, things that communists don’t believe in since they believe that humans can be perfected if private property is eliminated.

SteveMG on October 3, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Because every time, for whatever reason, the leadership at the time feels that they can ignore that core tenet of communism: the true distribution of the means of production.

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

For whatever reason.

Maybe it’s because people are bastards? They look out for themselves and their own first, and only afterwards contribute to the greater whole, and free enterprise uses this to its advantage while Marxism denies it?

sharrukin on October 3, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Because every time, for whatever reason, the leadership at the time feels that they can ignore that core tenet of communism: the true distribution of the means of production.

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Yeah, I mean who knows why it always goes so horribly wrong. It’s like every time someone tries to centrally plan an economy by concentrating economic power in the hands of a few people, by force of arms, it somehow turns into a dictatorship.

Must be bad luck.

RINO in Name Only on October 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Communism – the bible for lazy thieves!

OldEnglish on October 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Ventura ran as a libertarian (by that I mean his positions were libertarian during the campaign; he was the Reform Party nominee) and he wasn’t a loony tinfoil-hat-wearing purveyor of crackpot theories about “chemtrails” and other such idiocy at the time (or if he was he kept it well-hidden). As Governor he became increasingly more petulant and childish with each passing day, eventually degenerating into the deranged weirdo he is today.

Walter Sobchak on October 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Yeah, well Minnesota still has a lot to answer for, and that still doesn’t explain Al Franken.

sharrukin on October 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM

In his classic 1987 work, A Conflict of Visions, Sowell identifies two competing worldviews, or visions, that have underlain the Western political tradition for centuries.

Sowell calls one worldview the “constrained vision.” It sees human nature as flawed or fallen, seeking to make the best of the possibilities that exist within that constraint. The competing worldview, which Sowell terms the “unconstrained vision,” instead sees human nature as capable of continual improvement.

…the neatest illustration of the two visions occurred during the great upheavals of the 18th century, the American and French revolutions.

The American Revolution embodied the constrained vision. “In the United States,” Sowell says, “it was assumed from the outset that what you needed to do above all was minimize [the damage that could be done by] the flaws in human nature.” The founders did so by composing a constitution of checks and balances. More than two centuries later, their work remains in place.

The French Revolution, by contrast, embodied the unconstrained vision. “In France,” Sowell says, “the idea was that if you put the right people in charge–if you had a political Messiah–then problems would just go away.” The result? The Terror, Napoleon and so many decades of instability that France finally sorted itself out only when Charles de Gaulle declared the Fifth Republic.

Our Founders had a biblical understanding of the nature of man. They were not under any delusions about people.

INC on October 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Lutefisk: it’s what’s for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Also – his last name ain’t Ventura.

BHO Jonestown on October 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Maybe he picked up a brain parasite in his travels.

Likely his trip to Cuba.

Rebar on October 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

It’s amazing to me how the people who claim to be libertarians can at the same time embrace communism.
JellyToast on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

It’s the same spiel I hear everyday from the most hardcore libtards; saying that no Communist government that’s ever existed is “real” Communism. To them “real” Communism is the insane fantasy Utopia that only exists inside their heads — “where no one is in charge, and people just always sort of agree to share everything equally, man, because they don’t like need any government, and stuff…”

The craziest Communists and the craziest anarchists go so far around the bend that they eventually arrive at the same place.

logis on October 3, 2012 at 9:05 PM

ernesto on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Could you elaborate a bit on this post, ernesto? Do you mean what I think you mean – a society where literally everyone has the capability to produce everything from toys to toilets with nothing except whatever raw stock their ‘printer’ uses?

Now you have a bit of a record as a troll, but darned if this idea isn’t intriguing me. I’m imagining being able to ‘print’ 80% of the items I use daily without even having to go shopping at Wal-Mart.

I’d like to live in such a world if for nothing else than to not have to be reminded that everything electronic I work with came from Commieland…where my brothers & sisters in Christ are harassed if not murdered on a regular basis.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM

It’s amazing to me how the people who claim to be libertarians can at the same time embrace communism

I’ve seen a little of that, perhaps not as much as you.

Bill Maher comes to mind. I don’t think he’s a full fledged communist but he is a socialist.

Who claims – or did – that he’s a libertarian.

SteveMG on October 3, 2012 at 9:09 PM

It’s amazing to me how the people who claim to be libertarians can at the same time embrace communism. Like.. they hate how corporations have all this power… so lets create a government that has ultimate power. I do not trust some of these so called libertarian leaders. They always seem to have this fascist side to them.

JellyToast on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I TOTALLY agree! Many of the “libertarians” that I come across have nothing to do with what I call libertarianism, which is best espoused by the writings of Hayek, Friedman, Rand, Mises, and Rothbard.

The ones that don’t fall into this category are political jackalopes, the freakshows of the left-right paradigm. Some are cartoonishly isolationist. Others are I’d-like-to-buy-the-world-a-Coke hippies. Many are just pot-heads. Most are more focused on conspiracy theories than the wrongs that are happening today right in the open.

Glenn Jericho on October 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

I wonder how many of these people would support communism if they really understood that their “abilities” might be picking up dog crap in the park and that their “needs” might not include things like a car or a computer.

malclave on October 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I wonder how many of these people would support communism if they really understood that their “abilities” might be picking up dog crap in the park and that their “needs” might not include things like a car or a computer.

malclave on October 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Not to mention in our society having a car fresh off the assembly line or a computer costing enough to feed 20 families for a year elsewhere is considered a ‘need’.

Even not being allowed to own a car or computer older than a few years would be, by the standards of too many Americans, a violation of their rights. I have been told this to my face.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Karl Marx’s view of the world is as realistic as Hugh Hefner’s

tmitsss on October 3, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Ventura has always been, and shall always be, a self-aggrandizing fathead.

Thomas More on October 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

OT: No Faceshnook trolls in the top threads. Obungler must have had his azz handed to him by Romney–Sweet!

Thomas More on October 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

So, what I think that I hear ernesto say, is that when we have those Star Trek replicators, we can finally have us some of that sweet, sweet socialism….

rgranger on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Now I get why Medved calls them “Losertarians”

Mormon Doc on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Now I get why Medved calls them “Losertarians”

Mormon Doc on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Because off-his-Meds-ved is a loud, stupid wingnut who couldn’t come up with a more original term to save his soul.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Funny how these idiots who have never actually LIVED outside the United States, support a form of government which would crush them instantly if the situation was reversed.

And the amazing thing is how completely clueless they are to the irony.

KMC1 on October 4, 2012 at 12:13 AM

“The Communism of Karl Marx would probably be actually the best for everybody as a whole,” he explained. “But what he didn’t figure into was human nature and that’s what corrupts it.”

“If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”
– James Madison

farsighted on October 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM