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After members of the audience shouted “No!” Ryan concluded, “Then don’t vote for Ron Paul.”
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JPeterman on September 25, 2012 at 11:30 AM
I wish Ihad a viable alternative. The only real answer I can give you is that wilderness for the Republican party long term is beneficial. Now, when presented with Obama as the alternative it makes things harder.
I am told the nation will not survive another 4 years of Obama, but Obama is a SYMPTOM, not a cause of this. The cause is the fact that Americans, a majority of them, are just simply stupid, lazy, ignorant, progressive at heart and unwilling to admit it, and have degrade morals or many have a combination of this.
We have about 250 Million Americans I think that are of voting age. These are just estimates. We had about 120 million vote last election for President. So we have half the population not willing to vote. I was one of them. McCain voting for TARP just pushed me off even though I had already donated money to him. But half the population never votes, ever. Lazy.
How many people just vote straight party ticket regardless of the candidates? I used to be one of them. So not only are half the people not voting, but half or more of those who are voting are not even engaged, and are ignorant.
Some actually beleive the promisses of the candidates, he’s gonna fill up my car and pay my mortgage! STUPID.
People who can take a Romney policy and then turn around and say he is conservative. Those people are either deluded or progressive. Well, he is more conservative than Obama, but marginally so. On a football feild, Obama is on the 30 yard line, Romney on the 35 or 40 yard line. Yes, Obama is no where near as bad as it CAN get as for progressives. Pregressives killed 180 million people in the 20th century. Probably more.
Then you have the rest of the loser voters. The degenerates who vote for their special government granted priveleges. This anyone from government employees, union thugs, welfare rats and the elderly generational theives.
Is there an answer to any of these problems in our electorate? If not, then a marginally better Romney that degrades even further the electorate and the conservative brand name is nothing more than a temporary slow down of the end of the nation. If we are that close, why put it off. I am getting old. My eyesight is getting weaker. My migraines getting worse. My ability to provide for myself, my family, my extended family and buy more weapons, ammo, food and fuel is getting more and more limited.
If there will be trouble, let it be in my day, so my children may know peace.
Pick your poison, now or later? If we are not that close to collapse, then we should be working on making our house a better house. Hiring Romney will actually twart any effort in that direction. Clean out the progressives and in 4 years time vote into power people that will give real solutions instead of bandaids.
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 11:46 AM
It’s a little late to ask that for this year, obviously, but the long-term answer is to stop supporting candidates whose biggest political accomplishments were major progressive (big-government) initiatives. Support small-government candidates for Congress and the Senate if you can find them.
This year, we’re more or less f_cked. If Romney wins, I fully expect him to be a huge disappointment to anybody who has any hope that he might halt (or even slow down) the expansion of the federal government.
At this point I am pessimistic about the direction of this country because I don’t see anything on the horizon that can stop the feds from eventually eating us all out of house and home. We’ll eventually hit a crisis where we’re expected to suddenly change our way of life because people in government refused to change theirs.
Aitch748 on September 25, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Actually, it is the voter who refuses.
Politicians work on incentives the electorate gives them.
The electorate is not giving them any incentive to change course.
That is my single biggest complaint. But I can do little on my own.
Keeping John McCain out I had hoped would leave Republicans in the wilderness for another election cycle and allow them to reevaluate the incentives and thus the candidates they chose. I am thinking another 4 years of Obama may do voters some good.
I am willing to settle for a balanced budget amendment with a spending cap. At least it will really buy some time. Unlike the people saying Romney will. He might buy us an extra 15 months from his 4 years, that is a generous number in my estimation.
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 12:06 PM
@astonerii
It all boils down to this. Would you rather not vote for Romney, and accept that you are catalyzing Obama’s re-election and be guarenteed 4 years of unaccountible socialist policies or take a risk on a Republican candidate who has experiance cutting dead wait from organizations (Bain Capital) and see what he and a Republican/Tea Party coalition controlled Congress can do? (Keep in mind that the President of the next 4 years will likely pick 2-3 Supreme Court Justices)
Romney would also be held accountible by the fact that he is going to want a second term. If he fails us, then vote for a replacement, but in the current state of politics, you really are voting for Romney to remove a unaccountible (“More flexibility after the election”) Socialist from office.
As for the gay movement, I’m not a fan, but I recognize that it is their right to do whatever the hell they want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others or endanger their safety.. Remember, in this country we do not have the right to not be offended. As for the issue of gays and God, I believe it was Jesus who said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” God will judge us all in the end, no sense trying to do His work for Him.
Deep Thought on September 25, 2012 at 12:49 PM
*weight not wait
Deep Thought on September 25, 2012 at 12:50 PM
I understand your argument about enabling Obama for 4 years. It is bad. I just look longer term than 4 years. Look out 16 to 20 years, and you will understand better my argument.
Supreme court Justices are an issue, they should not be, but hey are. Romney showed no interest in proving himself in his opportunity of a lifetime chance to show he knows how to pick conservative Judges. I do not see any Conservative Judges retiring during Obama’s term. They may die, but retire? Not likely.
Stoning was effectively a death sentence. So, I would probably look at it different if it was not a death sentence. He also talked about not living with those who do evil. He said to reach out to them, but he never said to live among them. You can work to teach them. That is the most you are expected and in fact going further only places your soul on the line.
I will accept Romney if he can promise me at least a single solid step in the right direction. So far the only one I have though of is his certain to be broken pledge to cut, cap and balance. I will talk to his son tomorrow. I got out of my meeting. Hopefully I can convince him it is worth persuing!
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Romney/Ryan 2012: “The other guy sucks! Vote for the socialist RINO!”
That “anybody but” strategy is a real winner, idiots.
nottakingsides on September 25, 2012 at 1:28 PM
I am looking at the long term. Being a recent college grad, the long term and sustainability of this country means a LOT to me. As it stands, Romney has adopted Ryan’s old budget with a few tweaks to make it his own. That, and him picking Ryan as VP I think speaks bounds as to the direction Romney wants to take financially. I can’t afford Obama having 4 more years and pushing the country beyond the point of no return and turning us into another Greece. The Tea Party is taking over the GOP, if Romney can significantly slow the explosion of debt long enough to get a Tea Party controlled Congress and enable them to pass a BBA before it is too late then that in itself will be a major victory for my future. ( OT: People like nottakingsides, that can’t see this bigger picture annoy the living crap out of me.)
I have a hunch that not being the Governor of a overwhelmingly liberal state where Dems have an iron grip on the legislative body might change that dramatically. And what about the liberal justices? Would you not jump at the chance to replace them with moderate or conservitive ones?
You aren’t being asked to move in to a gay community or endorse their lifestyle. Living like a Christian and treating them as human beings has converted more people than persecuting/hating them. You are not risking your own soul by being tollerant of them and acting like Christ would.
Like I mentioned earlier, his tenure at Bain Capitol speaks volumes as to how he would act in office so I see him being fairly reliable in his effort to slim down government. Hopefully his son can show you how serious his father is about “trimming the fat” of excess government, its spending, and it’s intrusion into our lives.
Deep Thought on September 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM
It is not being tolerant of them that this is about. It is whether the government can coerce people into actually celebrating their gay relationships with special priveledges.
As for your future. Under Obama, the chances of the welfare state continuing for much longer are lower, as it will implode of its own weight. Romney is promissing you that it will be there for generations to come. To continue to degrade the values and morals of your average fellow American citizen voter. To continue to build more debt for you to pay and be burdened with. To continue taking from the private productive sector and to give to the public unproductive sector and actively work to reeduce the number of fellow producers you have to help you make a vibrant future.
Good luck with your short term goal oriented outlook making your long term life better. Me, the only way the long term improves is either the people of the nation change, or Republicans speak out.
You say the Tea Party is taking over… feel free to expand on that outlook. I do not see it. WHat I saw was many people being suckered into voting for politicians who said they were for Tea Party Principles and the moment it got hard, did a Ryan and voted for the most progressive option put in front of him…
The fact that you use Ryan as your idol indicates you have not really thought things through. His promise is for deficit spending for generations to come. Pushed as CONAERVATIVE policy… I think that is going in the wrong direction.
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 2:26 PM
That word works better.
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Not talking about it is hardly giving them special privilages.
As for the welfare state collapsing faster if Obama is given 4 more years that may be, but I don’t want to live in a bankrupt 3rd world country with 50% unemployment learning Mandrin Chinese for the next 100 years (aka, my parents, my future children and grandchildren, and my own lives). The costs of a Obama 2nd term are not worth the abrupt end of welfare, a common sense, structured, gradual reduction is the only intellegent way to remove the welfare state.
Romney is promising a future with less entitlements, a place where you don’t “need” a welfare system because the private sector is robust and healthy in a free enterprise system. Not once has Romney said he is going to take away from the private sector, so where are you pulling these claims from? You seem to be stuck in this mantra that Romney is a closet socialist. I have to ask, which one is it? Is he a capitalist vampire trying to get rich off the poor or a socialist redistributing money under the banner of “fairness” ? Have you even been listening to the man’s speeches? You claim you want something concrete, an “no new taxes” type of pledge, and yet even though he’s repeatedly given just that, you still seem unsatisfied. It sounds more and more like you prefer having your head buried in the sand and waiting for your “Edward Cullen” of the Republican Party to come out sparkling with his magic want to make everything evil disappear? Reality is knocking, either answer the door, or admit to throwing the tantrum that if you can’t get your way, all of America has to lose too.
Ryan’s Path to Prosperity – read it, run the numbers, understand it. ’nuff said.
Deep Thought on September 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Interesting how the Republican party has you sold lock stock and barrel on the welfare state now being a permanant structure in our country, and then you are willing to accept Ryan’s Road Map to Endentured Servitude as a conservative action item.
You wonder why I do not trust Republicans anymore? Outside of all the back stabbing of conservatism while in office? People like you. You tell them it is ok to be worse than the Democrat party of 1996 and 2000.
Pray tell how vouchering out Medicare creates prosperity? You seriously think the whole idea of voting money out of other people’s pockets and into your own is going to dissapear and that once written the Ryan Road Map will not be altered to buy votes?
What I see in the Path to Prosperity is a surrender to big government welfare state and a last minute attempt to make sure it does not collapse.
The only thing that changes us from a path to Greece into a path to Prosperity is an end of unlimited government spending and the deficit spending we are doing. Ryan does not accomplish either of those.
Enjoy your utopia.
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 3:28 PM
They’re right, you really are a troll and/or an idiot.
Vouchering out Medicare causes Free Market forces to drive the price of medical costs down, eliminating the heath care bubble, and enabling people to afford medical proceedures out of their own pocket. It is a TRANSITION to getting rid of government involvement in healthcare.
All of this happens at a lower cost to the government (us) and less taxpayer dollars are required until eventually none at all. This means (gasp!) smaller deficits and eventually paying down the debt. Thank you for the desperate attempt to lable me as someone wanting others earned money though, rather pathetic strawman argument, especially considering everything I’ve previously said.
I’ll live in reality and vote accordingly. You clearly are content to “fiddle while Rome burns” and watch everyone continue to suffer because of socialists and idiots like you stuck in your opposing fantasy worlds instead of being pragmatic.
Deep Thought on September 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM
It is claimed it will bring costs down. When people are spending other people’s money, when has it EVER CAUSED PRICES TO DROP? Ever?
As long as there is a program handing out other people’s wealth, there are voters willing to sell their votes to the politicians who are willing to bribe them with more of someone else’s money…
Name one federal program that has ceased to exist. Remember Reagan’s joke? The closest thing to eternal life is a temporary government program.
You call me a troll and or an idiot?
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM
You should probably reread that. The you is a hypothetical voter under the idea of…
Do you really think that the idea of voting someone else’s wealth out of their pockets and into yours is going to magically dissapear once they pass the Ryan Road map?
DELUSIONAL. They think we are stupid. You prove them RIGHT.
astonerii on September 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM
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