Why French parents are superior
The French, I found, seem to have a whole different framework for raising kids. When I asked French parents how they disciplined their children, it took them a few beats just to understand what I meant. “Ah, you mean how do we educate them?” they asked. “Discipline,” I soon realized, is a narrow, seldom-used notion that deals with punishment. Whereas “educating” (which has nothing to do with school) is something they imagined themselves to be doing all the time.
One of the keys to this education is the simple act of learning how to wait. It is why the French babies I meet mostly sleep through the night from two or three months old. Their parents don’t pick them up the second they start crying, allowing the babies to learn how to fall back asleep. It is also why French toddlers will sit happily at a restaurant. Rather than snacking all day like American children, they mostly have to wait until mealtime to eat. (French kids consistently have three meals a day and one snack around 4 p.m.)…
After a while, it struck me that most French descriptions of American kids include this phrase “n’importe quoi,” meaning “whatever” or “anything they like.” It suggests that the American kids don’t have firm boundaries, that their parents lack authority, and that anything goes. It’s the antithesis of the French ideal of the cadre, or frame, that French parents often talk about. Cadre means that kids have very firm limits about certain things—that’s the frame—and that the parents strictly enforce these. But inside the cadre, French parents entrust their kids with quite a lot of freedom and autonomy.
Authority is one of the most impressive parts of French parenting—and perhaps the toughest one to master. Many French parents I meet have an easy, calm authority with their children that I can only envy. Their kids actually listen to them. French children aren’t constantly dashing off, talking back, or engaging in prolonged negotiations.









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What a cute accent! Is it real?
ExpressoBold on February 6, 2012 at 8:58 AM
I never once thought of my parents as my “friends” when I was growing up–the very idea would have been absurd to them, and to me (my parents were old school–my mother thought Spock was absurd). Now that I am an adult, I would say we are “close,” but I would still never call them my “friends”–they are my parents, which I needed much more than friends.
DrMagnolias on February 6, 2012 at 8:59 AM
I don’t want to talk about my childhood. I’m still recovering. Thank you.
ExpressoBold on February 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM
I like to annoy folks by telling them that Dr. Spock himself towards the end admitted that he was wrong in saying that no child should ever be spanked.
But yes, modern society seems to think that we should treat our children as our equals, which is fine once they are adults, but instead also while they are children. It also thinks it is appropriate to keep parenting once they are adult (witness the stories of HR folks getting angry calls from parents when they don’t hire 23 yo Johnny).
I had a parent of my acquaintance think I was the worst mother ever because I let my 7 and 9 year old daughters go to the children’s section of the local borders by themselves! on a Saturday morning while I sat in the cafe section. I hadn’t even gotten them cell phones with GPS signals so they could be found if someone abducted them. Of course I had a clear line of sight to the door, they knew not to leave with anyone (even their grandmother) without stopping to tell me first, the staff at the store knew us well, and the girls also knew how to scream very loudly, and at over 50 pounds each they weren’t easy to carry off if they were either fighting or going limp. Apparently this was an act of gross negligence which should have had them removed from my care by CPS.
LibraryGryffon on February 6, 2012 at 9:03 AM
Ack! the preview option wasn’t working! I think I’ve got the bad tag fixed.
I like to annoy folks by telling them that Dr. Spock himself towards the end admitted that he was wrong in saying that no child should ever be spanked.
But yes, modern society seems to think that we should treat our children as our equals, which is fine once they are adults, but instead also while they are children. It also thinks it is appropriate to keep parenting once they are adult (witness the stories of HR folks getting angry calls from parents when they don’t hire 23 yo Johnny).
I had a parent of my acquaintance think I was the worst mother ever because I let my 7 and 9 year old daughters go to the children’s section of the local borders by themselves! on a Saturday morning while I sat in the cafe section. I hadn’t even gotten them cell phones with GPS signals so they could be found if someone abducted them. Of course I had a clear line of sight to the door, they knew not to leave with anyone (even their grandmother) without stopping to tell me first, the staff at the store knew us well, and the girls also knew how to scream very loudly, and at over 50 pounds each they weren’t easy to carry off if they were either fighting or going limp. Apparently this was an act of gross negligence which should have had them removed from my care by CPS.
LibraryGryffon on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM
I’ll give up at this point….
Please, please give us an edit option!!!!
LibraryGryffon on February 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM
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Thank you for your support! (*** shoots mean look at Fallon ***)
ExpressoBold on February 6, 2012 at 9:08 AM
I don’t think preview ever works in the headlines area, FYI.
I teach at a local university, and I will not accept phone calls from parents. First, it is illegal for me to talk with them without written permission of their (adult) children, and second, I’m not interested–if they want to talk with someone, it should be to the person they raised.
DrMagnolias on February 6, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Don’t look at me. You’re the one who thought I had a real French accent. I blame my typos and lack of editing on my secretary. I pay that woman $60,000 a year to keep me from looking bad and what does she do? Eats bon-bons, buys a home in Arizona and complains about paying 35% in taxes. I either blame her or I blame that I have ingested an insufficient or excessive number of cups of coffee… It’s never MY fault.
Fallon on February 6, 2012 at 9:22 AM
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Yes, but blame doesn’t get the typos fixed, now does it! I have the same problems that you do: incompetent help, insufficient attention to detail until the
caffeincaffinecaffeine fix takes hold and rising costs everywhere! I only ask for a simple EDIT button, emphasizing my frustration with a minor but obvious oath and what do I get from you?!?! Cheekiness! Cheeskiness!I mean really, would it hurt to at least support me on one issue, just one issue, that might help everyone? Instead I get an admonition to pursue remediation! Puh-Leeeze, Louise!
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I don’t drink decaf. Sorry.
ExpressoBold on February 6, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Need a hug, ma petite chouchoute? Or, er… mon petit chouchou? I don’t want to be too presumptuous (just enough, lol).
Fallon on February 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM
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Thanks! May I have my EDIT button now?
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(Why is everything on this thread now in italics? Is there a tag trapped in the system cache or something?)
ExpressoBold on February 6, 2012 at 10:05 AM
No. A French parent would not give you an edit button. They would let you cry yourself out.
I think the italics is supposed to make us all look like we are speaking in French. Oui?
Fallon on February 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Crap! The italics are… Serves me right.
Fallon on February 6, 2012 at 10:10 AM
LibraryGryffon broke the thread.
Kelligan on February 6, 2012 at 10:11 AM
Hmm, does that fix it?
Shump on February 6, 2012 at 10:13 AM
Nope. Huh.
Shump on February 6, 2012 at 10:13 AM
So, French parents are like every generation of American parents up until the Baby Boomers.
Got it.
Now,. if we were to rewrite this article about how awesome parents in the 50′s were and how they didn’t indulge their kids and the parents were parents not friends, most of the same people that admire it in “the other” (in this case, the French) would be lamenting about how we want to return to the horrible days of the old Patriarchy where children weren’t given room to breathe, learn, grow, experiment, explore, whatever……
It’s interesting that people can glorify parental authority in other cultures (whether it be in Asian families here in the U.S. or French families abroad) but they would probably consider that same treatment to be child abuse if someone recommended they apply those methods to their child.
JadeNYU on February 6, 2012 at 10:22 AM
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You tried to close the tag, too?
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In this application italics are synonymous with “emphasis” so now everything is said “with conviction.” How Parisian!
ExpressoBold on February 6, 2012 at 10:22 AM
While everyone is having a good time making fun of the French, there is some good parenting advice in this article. Isn’t her last anecdote about the firmness of her voice what the entire franchise of SuperNanny is about?
cptacek on February 6, 2012 at 10:26 AM
What I don’t get is why people feel it is quite so fine to make r@cist comments about French people and then seek to justify it by saying, “they are really that way.” The whole “surrender monkey” thing is a bit ironic given that the US has barely actually won a war since WW2 — getting beaten to a stalemate in Korea against the Chinese army that had only recently come out of a major civil war and was ill equipped, or the glory with which we covered ourselves in Vietnam. The only actual ground wars we’ve fought with much success has been against Saddam Hussein’s ragged armies — and those wars have had only mixed success. And right now, after 10 years in Afghanistan, we’re leaving having accomplished little of nothing.
If we want to talk about back stabbing, perhaps we need to look at the Versailles treaty after WW1 where the US & the UK did enough to tick off the Germans, but not enough to neuter them, over the objections of the French who had done the bulk of the fighting and bore the brunt of the causalities virtually guaranteeing a repeat in 20 years after which the original French proposal – splitting up Germany — was done which secured the peace of Europe for 50 years. All of this of course while the UK and US enjoyed the “free” security of ocean waters to protect them.
theblackcommenter on February 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM
[i][/i]I don’t know about French parents but Quebec parents are awful. They all want to separate!
andycanuck on February 6, 2012 at 11:08 AM
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