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Are RBNY and the other Mittbots so naive as to think that the media will not trash ANY candidate the GOP puts out there?
That’s sad, if true.
fossten on January 23, 2012 at 7:45 AM
Of course but some candidates are easier targets than others. It’d be hard to find an opponent as unlikable as Newt. He has a 28% favorable, 56% unfavorable.
Now which alternate universe did I wake up in today?
Is it the one where a staunch fiscal conservative is ahead in the polls in primary? Hmmm… no… a couple of government tweakers and streamliners lead…
Is it the one in which a candidate is looking to rollback government power? Hmmmm…. no… just a couple of good managers for an authoritarian State, each with their own little cubbyholes and idosyncracies.
Is it the one in which a candidate will actually look at the Constitution word by word, sentence by sentence, clause by clause as it is written and then put that into place as the restricted and enumerated powers that the federal government is granted? Ooooo… nope… still not in that universe… yet…
Is it the one in which the base has gotten fed up with the elites and have decided that 2010 was only the beginning and a kamikaze mission is needed at the highest level to wake everyone up from their dreamland of thinking that getting rid of Obama is the ONLY thing that needs to happen? Hmmmm… you know… hmmmm… COD, Whitman… hmmmm… why yes! What happens when a political party decides to ignore the warning signs in a major interim election that was clearly telling it that it must support candidates who will STOP THE SPENDING? Why a kamikaze du jour to start the break-up of the establishment’s power in the party, to shatter its aura making of ‘electability’, to remove the final shreds of its credibility of being able to lead a National party that actually will PROTECT the Constitution and the Nation.
Yes, that appears to be the universe I woke up in this morning.
2010 redux, the second flights of the kamikaze attacks as the Republican leadership and its supporters have been bashed over the head with a simple cluebat of STOP THE SPENDING and haven’t listened. And this time the attack is only tangentially going after the officially approved-of candidate: the real target is the facade of power of the old Rockefeller Republican section of the party. Their new and improved, yet old and indifferent 5 year running candidate is suffering the merest blow-by of the attack… he is as unprepared as the establishment is for this kamikaze attack. Gingrich isn’t winning because of anything more than his willingness to fight and he is being fueled because his direction, his bombast and his rhetoric will hit right at the old establishment heart of the party. Mind you, that doesn’t mean he gets the nomination or the election, but he will serve his purpose.
The Republican party has had 2 Years to clean up its act.
The problem is someone has to win. And it had better be Gingrich as opposed to Romney and Obama, since national bankruptcy is pretty much guaranteed with Romney and Obama.
Doomberg on January 23, 2012 at 7:43 AM
I’m not quite sure why you think “national bankruptcy” would happen due to a Romney nomination as any of the Republicans would govern about the same for the majority of issues and it would be
Romney and Paul who are talking the most about free markets/less government compared to the rest over the course of the campaign (Paul of course having the most aggressive plan).
The problem with Gingrich is that he cannot win. There are very scary polls everywhere(showing him losing in TEXAS to Obama in one). It’s not just that his unfavorables are high, it’s also that they are solid as well.
If you wan’t to lose, by all means vote for Gingrich….heck it’s almost like voting for Obama. Anyone but Gingrich should be the mantra for people who want to win this thing really.
I don’t see what you are so afraid of. You are willing to vote for Obama if Romney isn’t the nominee, but you are trying to say our only choice is to go with Romney because he is the only one who has a chance to beat Obama, and that is the most important thing. That doesn’t even make sense. Obviously, Romney is the most important thing to you, not beating Obama.
Night Owl on January 23, 2012 at 3:24 AM
Agreed. I’ll vote for the male Barbie doll if he is the candidate. I have a conditional bet with a friend that if Willard is the candidate he will lose to the anointed one by at least 10 points (after SC perhaps the spread should be larger) so I’d be voting against my bet.
It was always a civil flight of kamikazes. Not the most electable were sent up, nor the most pure, but they sure were happy kamikazes, willing to go up against long odds and not always win. Carly Fiorina wasn’t the best of candidates, but a very good one and she lost in CA while she might have done far better in another State.
In DE there is a moribund R party, so a flighty pagan was seen as better than an establishment anything. It wasn’t about winning, but letting the party know it had to change its ways, ASAP.
There were some surprising knock-outs, like with little Russy Feingold no longer getting an office and now campaign shy.
This time it is Newt Gingrich who is the happy kamikaze: he has the rhetorical bombast strapped to him, the shakey plane, and the flight is headed in the general direction of Establishment Republican HQ. He isn’t perfect, he isn’t much right on stopping the spending issues, but he is going in the direction of breaking up the R party logjam. You want a kamikaze with a message? Newt is the guy for it! He might go down in flames, he may not win the nomination but he will serve as the spearpoint to drive the message home that ignoring 2010 was not a very good idea. He will get attention and place the explosives down on the target… not from the right direction, maybe, but the target needs to get its wake-up call.
That has now started.
The message will be delivered now that the vehicle and the pilot have been located who is willing to do the job. He ain’t perfect, he isn’t even close to being right… but the job needs to be done and Newt Gingrich is willing to do it.
I fully expect most Mittbots will not vote or will vote for Obama.
Raquel Pinkbullet on January 23, 2012 at 2:44 AM
Well there goes your election. Mittbots are a solid 25% of the Republican Party. Halve that for the general election and you might as well concede now to Obama with a Newt nomination.
The GOP cannot win another presidential election if it thinks all it needs to do is be the Party of the South.
Are RBNY and the other Mittbots so naive as to think that the media will not trash ANY candidate the GOP puts out there?
That’s sad, if true.
fossten on January 23, 2012 at 7:45 AM
Yep, they really believe it. There is a significant portion of the Republican base – mostly on the liberal spectrum of things, of course – that sincerely believes that if we select liberal enough candidates, the MSM will finally like us and be friends with us. Nothing seems to shatter this belief, they just keep moving further and further left to the point we’ve got a socialist like Romney as a potential frontrunner.
Well there goes your election. Mittbots are a solid 25% of the Republican Party. Halve that for the general election and you might as well concede now to Obama with a Newt nomination.
The GOP cannot win another presidential election if it thinks all it needs to do is be the Party of the South.
haner on January 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM
Really Romney has “solid” support? The guy has ZERO core convictions, or principles. He will say or do anything to get elected. Would the Mitt Version 1994 (who ran to the LEFT of Ted Kennedy) vote for Mitt Version 2002(“center left”) or Mitt Version 2008(the “principled conservative version”) or Mitt Version 2012 (“pragmatic CEO”)?
Well there goes your election. Mittbots are a solid 25% of the Republican Party. Halve that for the general election and you might as well concede now to Obama with a Newt nomination.
The GOP cannot win another presidential election if it thinks all it needs to do is be the Party of the South.
haner on January 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM
I see. So mittbots will stay home? And you want respect?
katy the mean old lady on January 23, 2012 at 9:00 AM
I see. So mittbots will stay home? And you want respect?
katy the mean old lady on January 23, 2012 at 9:00 AM
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Exactly, and what the Mittbotts are saying that they would prefer Obama to a conservative… Very enlightening and not surprising at all. And that is the reason Mitt cannot generate enough enthusiastic support in the general to defeat the turnout by Obama’s crew. It is that simple and the Mittbots now admit that their cannot defeat Obama
Well there goes your election. Mittbots are a solid 25% of the Republican Party. Halve that for the general election and you might as well concede now to Obama with a Newt nomination.
The GOP cannot win another presidential election if it thinks all it needs to do is be the Party of the South.
haner on January 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM
Awww… what happened to the daily diet of “Anyone but Obama” that you fed us on this site for months when it looked like Romney was a lock to win the nomination?
Ha ha ha ha…
I don’t have a horse in the race but I must say I am enjoying myself a lot.
Blowback
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Of course but some candidates are easier targets than others. It’d be hard to find an opponent as unlikable as Newt. He has a 28% favorable, 56% unfavorable.
Go RBNY on January 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM
Obama will win in a landslide against newt or mitt. They both suck.
mrscullen on January 23, 2012 at 7:51 AM
The problem with Newt isn’t the message, it’s the messenger.
Go RBNY on January 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM
Now which alternate universe did I wake up in today?
Is it the one where a staunch fiscal conservative is ahead in the polls in primary? Hmmm… no… a couple of government tweakers and streamliners lead…
Is it the one in which a candidate is looking to rollback government power? Hmmmm…. no… just a couple of good managers for an authoritarian State, each with their own little cubbyholes and idosyncracies.
Is it the one in which a candidate will actually look at the Constitution word by word, sentence by sentence, clause by clause as it is written and then put that into place as the restricted and enumerated powers that the federal government is granted? Ooooo… nope… still not in that universe… yet…
Is it the one in which the base has gotten fed up with the elites and have decided that 2010 was only the beginning and a kamikaze mission is needed at the highest level to wake everyone up from their dreamland of thinking that getting rid of Obama is the ONLY thing that needs to happen? Hmmmm… you know… hmmmm… COD, Whitman… hmmmm… why yes! What happens when a political party decides to ignore the warning signs in a major interim election that was clearly telling it that it must support candidates who will STOP THE SPENDING? Why a kamikaze du jour to start the break-up of the establishment’s power in the party, to shatter its aura making of ‘electability’, to remove the final shreds of its credibility of being able to lead a National party that actually will PROTECT the Constitution and the Nation.
Yes, that appears to be the universe I woke up in this morning.
2010 redux, the second flights of the kamikaze attacks as the Republican leadership and its supporters have been bashed over the head with a simple cluebat of STOP THE SPENDING and haven’t listened. And this time the attack is only tangentially going after the officially approved-of candidate: the real target is the facade of power of the old Rockefeller Republican section of the party. Their new and improved, yet old and indifferent 5 year running candidate is suffering the merest blow-by of the attack… he is as unprepared as the establishment is for this kamikaze attack. Gingrich isn’t winning because of anything more than his willingness to fight and he is being fueled because his direction, his bombast and his rhetoric will hit right at the old establishment heart of the party. Mind you, that doesn’t mean he gets the nomination or the election, but he will serve his purpose.
The Republican party has had 2 Years to clean up its act.
It didn’t do that.
Is anyone surprised at these results?
ajacksonian on January 23, 2012 at 7:58 AM
I’m not quite sure why you think “national bankruptcy” would happen due to a Romney nomination as any of the Republicans would govern about the same for the majority of issues and it would be
Romney and Paul who are talking the most about free markets/less government compared to the rest over the course of the campaign (Paul of course having the most aggressive plan).
The problem with Gingrich is that he cannot win. There are very scary polls everywhere(showing him losing in TEXAS to Obama in one). It’s not just that his unfavorables are high, it’s also that they are solid as well.
If you wan’t to lose, by all means vote for Gingrich….heck it’s almost like voting for Obama. Anyone but Gingrich should be the mantra for people who want to win this thing really.
Zybalto on January 23, 2012 at 8:05 AM
ajacksonian on January 23, 2012 at 7:58 AM
No. Surprised it is not worse.
txmomof6 on January 23, 2012 at 8:06 AM
OOOOeeeee there is a lot of flop sweat on this thread today!!!!
1nolibgal on January 23, 2012 at 8:16 AM
Agreed. I’ll vote for the male Barbie doll if he is the candidate. I have a conditional bet with a friend that if Willard is the candidate he will lose to the anointed one by at least 10 points (after SC perhaps the spread should be larger) so I’d be voting against my bet.
Annar on January 23, 2012 at 8:17 AM
It was always a civil flight of kamikazes. Not the most electable were sent up, nor the most pure, but they sure were happy kamikazes, willing to go up against long odds and not always win. Carly Fiorina wasn’t the best of candidates, but a very good one and she lost in CA while she might have done far better in another State.
In DE there is a moribund R party, so a flighty pagan was seen as better than an establishment anything. It wasn’t about winning, but letting the party know it had to change its ways, ASAP.
There were some surprising knock-outs, like with little Russy Feingold no longer getting an office and now campaign shy.
This time it is Newt Gingrich who is the happy kamikaze: he has the rhetorical bombast strapped to him, the shakey plane, and the flight is headed in the general direction of Establishment Republican HQ. He isn’t perfect, he isn’t much right on stopping the spending issues, but he is going in the direction of breaking up the R party logjam. You want a kamikaze with a message? Newt is the guy for it! He might go down in flames, he may not win the nomination but he will serve as the spearpoint to drive the message home that ignoring 2010 was not a very good idea. He will get attention and place the explosives down on the target… not from the right direction, maybe, but the target needs to get its wake-up call.
That has now started.
The message will be delivered now that the vehicle and the pilot have been located who is willing to do the job. He ain’t perfect, he isn’t even close to being right… but the job needs to be done and Newt Gingrich is willing to do it.
ajacksonian on January 23, 2012 at 8:29 AM
Well there goes your election. Mittbots are a solid 25% of the Republican Party. Halve that for the general election and you might as well concede now to Obama with a Newt nomination.
The GOP cannot win another presidential election if it thinks all it needs to do is be the Party of the South.
haner on January 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM
Yep, they really believe it. There is a significant portion of the Republican base – mostly on the liberal spectrum of things, of course – that sincerely believes that if we select liberal enough candidates, the MSM will finally like us and be friends with us. Nothing seems to shatter this belief, they just keep moving further and further left to the point we’ve got a socialist like Romney as a potential frontrunner.
Doomberg on January 23, 2012 at 8:38 AM
Really Romney has “solid” support? The guy has ZERO core convictions, or principles. He will say or do anything to get elected. Would the Mitt Version 1994 (who ran to the LEFT of Ted Kennedy) vote for Mitt Version 2002(“center left”) or Mitt Version 2008(the “principled conservative version”) or Mitt Version 2012 (“pragmatic CEO”)?
But you “moderates” go ahead and vote for Obama.
Raquel Pinkbullet on January 23, 2012 at 8:49 AM
I see. So mittbots will stay home? And you want respect?
katy the mean old lady on January 23, 2012 at 9:00 AM
I see. So mittbots will stay home? And you want respect?
katy the mean old lady on January 23, 2012 at 9:00 AM
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Exactly, and what the Mittbotts are saying that they would prefer Obama to a conservative… Very enlightening and not surprising at all. And that is the reason Mitt cannot generate enough enthusiastic support in the general to defeat the turnout by Obama’s crew. It is that simple and the Mittbots now admit that their cannot defeat Obama
georgealbert on January 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Awww… what happened to the daily diet of “Anyone but Obama” that you fed us on this site for months when it looked like Romney was a lock to win the nomination?
Ha ha ha ha…
I don’t have a horse in the race but I must say I am enjoying myself a lot.
More popcorn, please.
TheRightMan on January 23, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Okay… I can barely wrap my head around supporting Newt over Romney.
But why would anyone support Newt over Santorum?
Sackett on January 23, 2012 at 9:36 AM
It’s not like people haven’t tried to tell Washington.
Cindy Munford on January 23, 2012 at 9:45 AM
We’ve been talking at DC a long time.
2010 was supposed to get their attention.
Welcome to 2012, the cluebat descends.
ajacksonian on January 23, 2012 at 9:56 AM
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