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Here’s an analysis that is more just. Hitchens despised totalitarians, especially the lil guy in N. Korea.
Bullsh*t. Hitch loved Marxist totalitarians. He was an apologist for them all his life. Particularly Salvador Allende and the North Vietnamese.
Oh and Hitch claimed that the North Korean regime isn’t really Marxist as much as it is “facist”.
How convenient.
I guess that bit of cognitive gymnastics prevented him from having to admit that the ideology he worships is responsible for the horrors being inflicted upon the North Korean people.
Yeah right, the Norks are gonna’ take ever the south now.
China doesn’t want Nk, but China doesn’t want a unified Korea either. The south wants it a little less than West Germany wanted the East. The South Koreans studied the way West Germany absorbed east Germany and learned some lessons. There are many month to go before this plays out, but I would bet against y’all in a heart beat.
cozmo on December 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM
Um, no one said the North was going to “takeover” South Korea. With that said, South Korea isn’t on a heightened military alert for nothing — no one really knows who is running the country right now.
There is the possibility that a few hawkish generals could be pulling the strings behind the scenes. There is the possibility — a somewhat remote possibility — that the North could attack if the regime is that desperate and the generals that trigger happy.
When will the Korean people rise up and seize the future? Another generation of despotism in this age? It’s time to remove this thugocracy. Where’s South Korea? It’s time to speak boldly to the people in North Korea and offer up the promise of reunification under a prosperous system rather than the hopeless state of affairs that will continue with this succession.
Punchenko on December 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM
He’s so condescending in his ignorance too, isn’t he? And he attacks points that posters don’t even make. I’m pretty convinced that it’s not about issues at all with cozmo and some others here, it’s about taking a tone that makes them feel tough, smart, or somehow fulfills a need all within the safe confines of the Internet. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but it’s there. There was no logical reason for him to start off his comment to you with a contemptuous insult.
— a somewhat remote possibility — that the North could attack if the regime is that desperate and the generals that trigger happy.
Punchenko on December 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM
The north has no fuel, no advanced parts for its planes and tanks the South has specifically designed weapons to defeat. The north’s loyal troops, needed to begin any attack against the south, are along the Chinese border to keep the north’s people in country. Even the army is low on food and winter is setting in. The only thing the north can do at this point is keep the status quo. And that is the best case scenario.
I can’t help but compare the HotAir comments between the deaths of Hitchens and Kim Jong Il. Most Christians were loathe to use the ‘H-Word’ with Hitchens, merely expressing his afterlife as a seperation from God. I cannot count the number of sentimental comments expressing hope for Hitchens’ deathbed conversion, or a God who would let him in Heaven anyway. But with Kim Jong Il, Christian commenters come out with both guns blazing! No wishes for a deathbed conversion, no sentiments of a god who justifies all, no just overt expressions that the dictator should Rot in Hell!!
Christians, is this consistant? What does the Christian hope for the dead villian?
Milemarker2020, your post sounded sooo familiar. Then it came to me…
When will the Korean people typical Democrat voter rise up and seize the future? Another generation of despotism handouts, patronage, and welfraud dependency in this age? It’s time to remove this thugocracy Obammunism. Where’s South Korea Canada? It’s time to speak boldly to the people in North Korea Detroit, South Central, and Cleveland and offer up the promise of reunification self-reliance and free markets under a prosperous system rather than the hopeless state of affairs that will continue with this succession incessant class warfare pandering.
milemarker2020 on December 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2011 at 11:13 PM
How so? How do you know that his son isn’t going to be just as bad or worse? This is the neocon naivete that thinks that if a dictator dies, somehow unicorns and fairies will sprout up from the ground, rather than another dictator taking his place.
So you really think that this communist dictatorship will change because one communist had a stroke and died? Where have you been the last 60 years? You know, they have more Kims where he came from.
But significant in itself is that you dare compare Hitchens with a mass murderer.
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2011 at 11:37 PM
I am not comparing the two, but I am comparing Christian sentiments passed on each upon their deaths. If Christians believe God will save Hitchens upon his wished-for death bed conversion, would not God also do the same for Kim Jong Il? Do Christians wish for the ultimate conversion of a mass murderer? Just saying… .I don’t wish unending torture on anybody.
North Korea: Kim Chong-il died on 17 December, according to a broadcast about 0300 on 19 December. The official notice stated, “Kim Chong-Il, general secretary of the Workers’ Party of Korea (WPK), chairman of the DPRK National Defense Commission and supreme commander of the Korean People’s Army, passed away from a great mental and physical strain at 08:30 December 17, 2011, on a train during a field guidance tour.”
“The WPK Central Committee and Central Military Commission, DPRK National Defense Commission, Presidium of the Supreme People’s Assembly and Cabinet released a notice on Saturday informing the WPK members, service-persons and all other people of his passing away.”
“All party members, military men and the public should faithfully follow the leadership of comrade Kim Jong-un and protect and further strengthen the unified front of the party, military and the public,” the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported. The cause of death was a heart attack, which occurred while he was on the train, according to a later official report.
A funeral for Kim Chong-il will be held in Pyongyang on 28 December and Kim Jong-un will head the funeral committee, KCNA said.
Comment: After the stroke in 2008, Kim began making the arrangements to provide for a relatively smooth leadership transition, to the extent he could. His brother-in-law Chang Song-taek is the regent for the third son and heir-designate, Kim Jong-un. Jong-un was promoted to a four star general, despite no military service. He was identified as successor in internal indoctrination campaigns, traveled with his father and the two attacks against South Korea in 2010 were attributed to his “”leadership.” All the key people, including Chang and Kim Jong-un, have the positions, authority and rank to take charge and take command.
Nevertheless, the succession is weak because the new key people have no direct ties to the three wars – the anti-Japanese war before World War II; World War II, and the Korean War, which has been the cachet for leadership – and have no military training or experience. Kim Jong-un, in his mid-20s, officially is a four-star general, which some real generals and marshals reportedly resent. The North is fundamentally a military-backed regime that has multiple factions.
Succession in a communist state always is a dangerous time. There are immediate and longer term grounds for concern.
Most immediately, North Korean armed forces probably are at semi-war state of alert to ensure a prompt response in the event any enemy attempts or is perceived as attempting to take advantage of a period of grief or judges the North is weakened by leadership change. South Korean forces also are on alert against uncertainty and unpredictability in the North.
The longer term concern is the pressure on the new leader to prove himself. Kim Chong-il lived under the shadow of his father, who filtered the pressure during the transition in the early 1990′s. But it is worth recalling that Chong-il’s most sensational achievements were to oversee North Korea’s emergence as a nuclear armed state, so it claims, and its proliferation of ballistic missiles, deeds Kim Il-sung never accomplished. The son surpassed the father in military technology.
On the other hand, Kim Chon-il’s legacy as a builder of a prosperous North Korea is no better than that of his father. Most of his civil construction and development projects have been failures. Thus, North Korea has a nuclear weapons program and a million-man armed forces, but cannot feed itself. Father and son are responsible for this condition.
The great unfinished work of the Kim Il-sung, the father of North Korea, and his son is the reunification of Korea. The third son and successor will be under pressure to outdo his father and grandfather. Continued vigilance by the Allies will remain essential.
North Korea-US: Yonhap News Agency reported on 17 December that the United States has agreed to provide up to 240,000 tons of food aid to North Korea in return for North Korea’s pledge to implement initial denuclearization measures, including suspension of its uranium enrichment program. According to unidentified diplomatic sources, the agreement resulted from meetings in Beijing on Thursday and Friday between US special envoy on North Korean human rights Robert King and Ri Kun, Director General for North American affairs in North Korea’s foreign ministry.
The food assistance will be delivered in shipments of 20,000 tons each during the next 12 months. The North apparently also agreed to accept closer monitoring of distribution so that the food is not diverted to the military.
The United States and North Korea also are expected to hold another round of high-level talks on Thursday next week to help resume the six-party talks on Pyongyang’s denuclearization, which were last held in late 2008..
Comment: The six-party talks involving the two Koreas, the United States, China, Japan and Russia have been deadlocked since late 2008. Progress in talks will be delayed by the death of Kim and the funeral rites. Those provide a unique opportunity for the US to show good will by sending a delegation to the funeral, even of an enemy leader. For example, former Secretary of State Albright and former President Carter have the credentials because they both visited Pyongyang.
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Obama killed Kim Jong Mentally Ill .
And you all thought Obama was going to Asia for a vacation ?
burrata on December 18, 2011 at 11:11 PM
Not to forget
———–
Very good. I wanted to make the most of it
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2011 at 11:11 PM
Kim Jong is now beyond ill.
bayview on December 18, 2011 at 11:12 PM
Rot in hell, you evil piece of s**t.
A great day for North Korea, and for the world.
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Schadenfreude,
Bullsh*t. Hitch loved Marxist totalitarians. He was an apologist for them all his life. Particularly Salvador Allende and the North Vietnamese.
Oh and Hitch claimed that the North Korean regime isn’t really Marxist as much as it is “facist”.
How convenient.
I guess that bit of cognitive gymnastics prevented him from having to admit that the ideology he worships is responsible for the horrors being inflicted upon the North Korean people.
Mike Honcho on December 18, 2011 at 11:13 PM
I don’t know but that Arec Barwin is werfress.
catmman on December 18, 2011 at 11:14 PM
So where’s the first joke about Kim meeting Hitch in Hell? At least it won’t be ronery.
flataffect on December 18, 2011 at 11:14 PM
Um, no one said the North was going to “takeover” South Korea. With that said, South Korea isn’t on a heightened military alert for nothing — no one really knows who is running the country right now.
There is the possibility that a few hawkish generals could be pulling the strings behind the scenes. There is the possibility — a somewhat remote possibility — that the North could attack if the regime is that desperate and the generals that trigger happy.
Punchenko on December 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM
His death was inevitable.
catmman on December 18, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Rest In Pieces
Ugly on December 18, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Mike Honcho on December 18, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Disagree, vehemently. Have a nice night.
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2011 at 11:20 PM
Death by Gingrich-enabled laser blasts?
Lord on December 18, 2011 at 11:21 PM
hah! Missed that
Ugly on December 18, 2011 at 11:21 PM
If Kim Jong Il got hitched, Hitchens did the world a big favor.
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM
When will the Korean people rise up and seize the future? Another generation of despotism in this age? It’s time to remove this thugocracy. Where’s South Korea? It’s time to speak boldly to the people in North Korea and offer up the promise of reunification under a prosperous system rather than the hopeless state of affairs that will continue with this succession.
milemarker2020 on December 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM
Kim Jong Un is the successor! The Un-Cola.
carbon_footprint on December 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM
Barry:
REELECT ME!
Kim died on my watch, too!
RedNewEnglander on December 18, 2011 at 11:24 PM
Punchenko on December 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM
He’s so condescending in his ignorance too, isn’t he? And he attacks points that posters don’t even make. I’m pretty convinced that it’s not about issues at all with cozmo and some others here, it’s about taking a tone that makes them feel tough, smart, or somehow fulfills a need all within the safe confines of the Internet. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but it’s there. There was no logical reason for him to start off his comment to you with a contemptuous insult.
29Victor on December 18, 2011 at 11:24 PM
Good opportunity for Barry to attend the funeral and apologize for the CIA’s arrogance. Don’t forget your clubs Barry!
Western_Civ on December 18, 2011 at 11:27 PM
The north has no fuel, no advanced parts for its planes and tanks the South has specifically designed weapons to defeat. The north’s loyal troops, needed to begin any attack against the south, are along the Chinese border to keep the north’s people in country. Even the army is low on food and winter is setting in. The only thing the north can do at this point is keep the status quo. And that is the best case scenario.
cozmo on December 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM
Will Hugo Chavez attend Kim’s funeral? As his days are very numbered, maybe he could lie down in the casket and be buried with him.
VorDaj on December 18, 2011 at 11:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zT8lKweG00
This is how I imagine MSNBC announcing the death of Obama.
Mark1971 on December 18, 2011 at 11:29 PM
Maybe now that Kim is dead. Barack and Michelle could move into his palace, or at least vacation there.
VorDaj on December 18, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Flora Duh on December 18, 2011 at 11:31 PM
I can’t help but compare the HotAir comments between the deaths of Hitchens and Kim Jong Il. Most Christians were loathe to use the ‘H-Word’ with Hitchens, merely expressing his afterlife as a seperation from God. I cannot count the number of sentimental comments expressing hope for Hitchens’ deathbed conversion, or a God who would let him in Heaven anyway. But with Kim Jong Il, Christian commenters come out with both guns blazing! No wishes for a deathbed conversion, no sentiments of a god who justifies all, no just overt expressions that the dictator should Rot in Hell!!
Christians, is this consistant? What does the Christian hope for the dead villian?
HeIsSailing on December 18, 2011 at 11:32 PM
Milemarker2020, your post sounded sooo familiar. Then it came to me…
Western_Civ on December 18, 2011 at 11:32 PM
Yes. Don’t stop believing.
Ugly on December 18, 2011 at 11:33 PM
So, is our US dear leader now ready to celebrate a No Ko spring? Hilarity is that clueless and succession in a dictatorship is never “peaceful”.
Good on So Ko to be on alert. Would that US voters had been on alert when an unknown was presented for our pResident.
Caststeel on December 18, 2011 at 11:35 PM
To answer you first – anyone should wish on the dead villain all that he inflicted on his people.
But significant in itself is that you dare compare Hitchens with a mass murderer.
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2011 at 11:37 PM
That’s some deep thought.
Ain’t no believing involved. Just common sense.
Or do you think the the north wants to commit suicide as a whole? On empty stomachs? In the winter?
cozmo on December 18, 2011 at 11:37 PM
How so? How do you know that his son isn’t going to be just as bad or worse? This is the neocon naivete that thinks that if a dictator dies, somehow unicorns and fairies will sprout up from the ground, rather than another dictator taking his place.
keep the change on December 18, 2011 at 11:43 PM
Pithy…
Gohawgs on December 18, 2011 at 11:44 PM
I’m so sure they will be opening the prison gates any moment.
VorDaj on December 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM
Oh, lemmesee…because people who up with stuff have noticed that Kim Jong-un has been almost publicly mocked by those he is supposed to be a god to.
A lot of similar statements were seen before the eastern European dictatorships fell.
cozmo on December 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM
So you really think that this communist dictatorship will change because one communist had a stroke and died? Where have you been the last 60 years? You know, they have more Kims where he came from.
keep the change on December 18, 2011 at 11:58 PM
I am not comparing the two, but I am comparing Christian sentiments passed on each upon their deaths. If Christians believe God will save Hitchens upon his wished-for death bed conversion, would not God also do the same for Kim Jong Il? Do Christians wish for the ultimate conversion of a mass murderer? Just saying… .I don’t wish unending torture on anybody.
HeIsSailing on December 19, 2011 at 12:11 AM
It’s been a bad year for despots. Unfortunately, the world hasn’t run out of them. New ones will pop up to replace the dead ones.
Alabama Mike on December 19, 2011 at 12:16 AM
(does happy dance)
Merovign on December 19, 2011 at 12:25 AM
If’n you ain’t the granddaddy of all liars!
Ugly on December 19, 2011 at 1:16 AM
Hopefully, this will help.
This is from KGS NightWatch:
CPT. Charles on December 19, 2011 at 1:59 AM
Awesome!
Punchenko on December 19, 2011 at 2:26 AM
Obama will take credit for putting so much pressure on him that he had a heart attack!
kurtd on December 19, 2011 at 4:46 AM
Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin.
Masih ad-Dajjal on December 19, 2011 at 6:36 AM
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