Tax Foundation
Study: No country leans as heavily for tax revenue on upper class as U.S.
Interestingly, countries with top personal income tax rates that are higher than in the U.S., such as Germany, France, or Sweden, have ratios that are closer to 1 to 1. Meaning, the share of the tax burden paid by the richest decile in those countries is roughly equal to their share of the nation’s income. By contrast, we prefer to have the wealthiest households in this country pay a share of the tax burden that is one-third greater than their share of the nation’s income.
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I don’t know. Who?
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 3:58 PM
malclave on March 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM
And the hits just keep on coming! I’d say odds that ernie returns to this thread are somewhere between slim and none.
Dominion on March 22, 2011 at 4:00 PM
That is pretty pathetic reasoning. The wealthy are in court more? Perhaps as defendants, not because they are suit-happy. Transportation? Ever hear of gasoline taxes and excise taxes? The business owners already pay plenty of taxes for transport, but the funds were diverted to pay for high speed rail and welfare programs instead of for the infrastructure they were enacted to fund. Banking? They save money, which is used as reserve in the fractional system so the less wealthy are able to borrow.
Looks to me like the poor owe at least a debt of gratitude to the rich.
Vashta.Nerada on March 22, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Are you under the assumption that when they do so, they do so for free and that we, as tax payers funding the government, are only refunded when they pay their taxes?
Besides, by this logic, those who have ever been on welfare owe significantly more than those who have never taken it whereas others who rarely drive, rarely take public transit, home school and never trouble the courts, should barely be paying a dime, regardless of their income.
Personally, I wouldn’t be troubled by a pay system that allows you to contribute based directly on what you use. It’s entirely possible that I use things that cost others and not myself and would rather see directly exactly what I’m getting and what I’m paying for it. I could see it being extremely beneficial in establishing accountability for our budgets and their shortfalls.
Esthier on March 22, 2011 at 4:12 PM
LOL! What evidence do you have to support this?
They are paying their fair share. They are paying MORE than their fair share considering they pay confiscatory tax rates AND are paying to create the jobs. You seem to think everything we have or will have comes from the government.
You’re stupidity is amazing sometimes.
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:15 PM
*Your
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Quiz failed. Dishonest to the core as usual.
Scrappy on March 22, 2011 at 4:18 PM
Ahhhh yes. Good times.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:18 PM
…so who is it?
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:18 PM
crr6 logic fail once again.
Considering I never use public transpiration, I pay for my shipments, and I am never use the legal system unless I am a defendant from busy body, anti-business leftists, I’d say I have paid my fair share and more.
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM
If this is all you can conjure up to make your argument. I’d say it’s pretty clear who lost the argument here.
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:20 PM
You’re going to have to do your own studying.
Scrappy on March 22, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Would you mind pointing out exactly where you made an argument? All I saw was a conclusory statement that the rich pay too much.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Haha. You got caught with your pants down. Just admit it.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:23 PM
So? Do you use roads? Do you ship using roads?
You’re still using the courts to enforce your legal rights. Presumably you use (or would use) them to enforce IP rights as well.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:25 PM
I asked you for evidence to back up your ridiculous logic. You still haven’t provided any.
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM
You want me to find a study saying rich people invest and use the legal system more than poor people? Are you serious?
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Still dishonest to the end. Nice attempt at a distraction. You know as well as anyone here what portion of people don’t pay taxes and you dishonestly play dumb.
Scrappy on March 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM
You miss this?
and this…
Why should I have to pay to defend myself when I win?
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM
If you’re going to make such a stupid claim, Back it up.
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM
Boy, I guess my experience at a V100 firm will consist working on a bunch of litigation where poor people sue poor people. How in the world do I get paid so much!
LOL.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM
No, please tell me.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Stripping?
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM
No. I don’t see how they substantively respond to anything I’ve said.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Of course you don’t. Because your feeble mind only allows you to process logic you agree with.
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM
You’re pathetic.
Scrappy on March 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM
crr6: The sky is blue.
jaykneemusic: PROVE IT NUTROOT!!!11!!!
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM
No, it’s because you went off on a tangent about high speed rail. I’m not going to start talking about high speed rail here, sorry.
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Haha. Seriously tell me Scrappy, what percentage of Americans pay NO taxes?
crr6 on March 22, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Ask Ernesto. He was making the absurd argument that rich people don’t think they should pay any taxes. I asked a rhetorical question about who it is that doesn’t pay any taxes pointing out that it isn’t the rich. I never asked for a percentage. You continually and dishonestly pretend that you don’t know which end of the spectrum it is that doesn’t pay taxes which is at the opposite end from Ernesto’s straw man.
Keep playing your game. You’re good at it. But it reveals your dishonest approach clearly.
Scrappy on March 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM
LOL! Lame.
Yet if you would read the actual post you would have realized it wasn’t I who said it but another poster. Glad to you’re a serious person.
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jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Isn’t it marvelous how liberals pretend to disapprove of stereotypes and generalizations when the subject is ethnic minorities, gays or any of the left’s other politically protected groups. But when that group is “the rich” then all of a sudden it’s OK to generalize.
So “the rich” use the legal system more than “the poor” and should therefore pay more toward it. Does that mean crr6 that you think black people should pay more toward law enforcement, since a disproportionately high % of violent crime is perpetrated by people in that group?
Of course that would be wrong. Black people are individuals. Well, so are rich people. Not all of them “use the legal system more.” So if you believe that people who tie up the courts should pay more, then the only fair way to do it – which doesn’t involve an ignorant generalization, because after all liberals hate those – would be to evaluate each person’s use of the courts individually.
So really, what you’re arguing for is a tax system in which everyone pays for what they use, at the rate at which they use it. Unless of course your motive is class warfare and sticking it to the rich, which it is if you stand by your current generalization.
Sharke on March 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM
She exposed herself ages ago.
jawkneemusic on March 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Well, you haven’t exactly proven that they use it and only pay for it out of their taxes. Going to court isn’t free, unless you’re poor, as we do make allowances for those who cannot afford to pay court costs, lest justice be given only to those who can pay.
Esthier on March 22, 2011 at 5:10 PM
Yeah, just imagine if the “disproprotionate benefit” argument shifted to the gorilla in the room that crr6 conveniently ignores…. social security and medicare.
Scrappy on March 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM
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