Patterico
How Glenn Greenwald smeared Allahpundit and me
Greenwald’s implication is clear: right-wing blogger Patterico shouldn’t have recommended Allahpundit’s coverage — and right-wing blogger Glenn Reynolds shouldn’t have linked Patterico’s recommendation of Allahpundit.
If only those right-wing bloggers had warned their readers to be skeptical and avoid jumping to conclusions . . .
But wait! What’s that little ellipsis in Greenwald’s quotation of my post? Why, I do believe that’s an indication that he left something out of my quote! Let’s just look at that whole quote to see what Greenwald chose to omit, shall we?
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You can’t penetrate AP, man
just can’t be done
/that can be misconstrued.
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Gawd. A bunch of bloggers having a teenager angst-style gossip fight.
Nobody cares. Talk about the news, not about yourselves. And certainly don’t talk about yourselves talking about each other.
You are not that important. As a matter of fact, you are not important at all, except to your mother.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM
It’s just a blog, folks. Don’t take yourselves so seriously.
faraway on November 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Let’s take Greenwald behind the woodshed and beat the hell out of him!
HondaV65 on November 7, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I disagree, faraway, keep the change.. AP deserves defense for exactly the same reason Rush or Palin does. No one’s character deserves to be smeared when they are laboring to do an honest job. I appreciate AP’s work especially on breaking news items. And when it comes to terrorism, the man calls a spade a spade.
The use of ellipses is the equivalent of when Obama says, “Let me be clear”. What follows is a misconstruction.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I’d want to address smears on Salon too
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM
You have to defend AP & Patterico. This is the new media and libel here is just as bad as newspaper libel.
Glenn Greenwald is an out and out liar. Never trust him on anything. If he said the sky is blue, I would still look up.
rbj on November 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Keep in mind that there are plenty of Big Media reporters who take Greenwald seriously. So he needs to be kept honest.
I would lay into Greenwald with the same vengeance no matter who I caught him smearing like this; I just happened to find out about this smear because one of my readers brought it to my attention.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM
This borders on libelous. What a piece of scum Greenwald is.
John the Libertarian on November 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Hey, lets not jump to conclusions even after all the facts are in. Just forget about it.
BL@KBIRD on November 7, 2009 at 5:59 PM
This is like the msm celebrities who believe they themselves are the news. Everybody knows who glenn beck is. Nobody outside the small microworld of the political blogosphere has any idea who the other names are. Hell, one is just a pseudonym. And unlike Glenn Beck, this is not about the right going after obama. For that we defend Beck.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Don’t like it? Don’t read it. And don’t lecture me on how nobody cares when it’s not you being smeared. Plenty of “serious” journalists take Greenwald seriously. I don’t want my reputation dragged through the mud by him; good for Patterico for trying to get the story straight.
Allahpundit on November 7, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Absolute proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Greenwald writes for Salon, which I think sucks but plenty of leftists and media types take seriously as a web zine. As Gleen himself will remind you (endlessly), he’s been quoted by Russ Feingold on the floor of the Senate. Again: I’d like to see how you’d react if you were smeared by a prominent “serious” blogger. Would you really pass up the chance to correct the record? Bull.
Allahpundit on November 7, 2009 at 6:03 PM
So only apply principle after it crosses a threshold of public consciousness? I disagree.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Good lord, really? As if there weren’t enough reasons to ignore Big media already.
Crawford on November 7, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Yeah, Glenn Greewald . . . kinda . . . sucks.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 7, 2009 at 6:05 PM
look
sometimes
b!tches need a whackin
and sometimes
men like Patterico step up to the plate to layeth the smacketh down
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:05 PM
You have no idea how wrong your assumptions are.
elduende on November 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM
I have to throw my hat in with AP on this one. I don’t begrudge him his anonymouse blogging, but his anonymity makes his reputation all the more important, in my humble opinion.
gryphon202 on November 7, 2009 at 6:08 PM
No, let’s do it in front of the woodshed in plain sight – pour encourager les autres.
Greenwald seems utterly incapable of arguing honestly. He needed to be called out for it. We need a new internet verb on a par with “to Fisk” for Greenwald but the guy is such a dishonest crapweasel on so many levels it would be hard even to know where to start.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:09 PM
You need to take a step back and get out into the real world. Most people have never heard of you nor the others. This is a very small world you live in. As I said, outside of the political blogosphere, these names don’t exist. This is like a bunch of girls fighting on Facebook.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Well, it’d be nice to be able to drop an e-mail to Greenwald and have him issue a correction, but since his distortions were deliberate, that ain’t going to happen.
So where else will the record be corrected? If your only megaphone is your blog, that’s what you have to use.
I, for one, appreciate this reinforcement of my opinion of Greenwald. Maybe some of the more honest MSM types will start noticing his total weaselly-ness, eventually, and he’ll be relegated to the status he deserves. But only if it’s repeatedly pointed out.
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Heh, I love it when people go out of their way to emphatically comment on a topic that they insist nobody cares about.
forest on November 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM
why the aggression
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM
HotAir is the biggest con site out there
Rush mentions HotAir
this isn’t something going on, on say..
MY website that 5 friends of mine read.
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM
I have no doubt Gleen Greeenwald wants to smear allahpundit and patterico with something and have his way with them both.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Lighten. Up.
Skywise on November 7, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Yep, I think HA is now dangerously close to getting more visits per day than “major professional media figures” like Keith Olbermann get for their prime time TV shows.
forest on November 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Greenwald is usually great at holding the establishment media’s feet to the fire. It’s too bad that he occasionally makes mistakes about bloggers.
The Dean on November 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
And yet you comment here. Why not go elsewhere, with all of the serious big boys?
I think I may start devoting my Greenroom posts to lying about you, and deleting your responses, just to see how you like it.
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
If you act like “it’s just a blog” and let crap like Greenwald pulled slide, everyone will treat it like “it’s just a blog”. If Gleen wants to take on Instapundit, Patterico, and Allahpundit all at once he’d better damn well get his ducks in a row before he does so.
see-dubya on November 7, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Greenwald is a douche, and an increasingly irrelevant one by the looks of this. How is what he’s doing here materially different from a tabloid gossip columnist?
As for those saying this political blog world is so small that it doesn’t matter, that’s crap and I think you know it. HA is one of the widest-read conservative blogs and even if the average voter is unaware of this blog, a lot of pundits and policy makers read it.
flipflop on November 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM
HotAir.com has more than double the circulation of my local newspaper, The Times-Picayune. (The only newspaper in New Orleans.) Now, considering how many reporters work for the Times-Pic (not less than 30 by a quick scan of the bylines), you try to figure out Allahpundit’s relative nameworthiness. Yes, his online reputation is well worth defending.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Relatively, I suppose, but it still consists of thousands of readers.
joewm315 on November 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Impressive that 5 people exist with that level of tolerance of pain.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 6:25 PM
took a long time to find them
now im never letting go of them
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM
When people ask me what I sites I visit on the internet, it’s hard to explain because nobody I’e talked to has heard of Hotair. Or The Daily Kos. Or Andrew Sullivan. Or Markos Malitos, or however you spell it. Or any of the rest. These names don’t mean anything to 300 million Americans. We think they do because we come here. Hell, most Americans don’t even know who Harry Reid is. They think he plays for the Pirates, but they are not sure. Ever watch Leno’s Jay walking? That’s an eyeopener.
That’s the real world. So my point is that for bloggers to blog about other bloggers’ criticism of their blogging is self-indulgent. Which is all this is. One blogger dissing the blogging of another blogger. It’s not like someone is calling someone else a child molester, murderer, peeping tom. If so, take it to court. Otherwise, get on with the news.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Found a contractor to make you a sound-proof basement did you? Your loyalty is…impressive.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM
idk
its mentioned on radio shows with 20 million listeners
tv shows
etc
im not saying its the be all end all of everything
but its a rather influential and widespread website
and id want to counter any smears on my character. i mean, like i said, if i did it on my page, who the f*** cares?
but its salon, a rather well known website.
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:31 PM
So, if I blog the whole next week blogging here about what you do with farm animals, you won’t care right? Even if it’s not true? I have your permission, right?
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 6:31 PM
I’m not surprised. Kind of funny, a leftie nitwit that comments on my little old blog referenced Greenwald some time ago for his argument and got all pissy when I dismissed sockpuppet Greenwald.
aikidoka on November 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Go right ahead. Nobody cares. That’s one of my two points. The other point was that this is criticism, not some smear about beastility.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Oh, and the issue he was using Greenwald for was defending ACORN. lol
aikidoka on November 7, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Please keep your sexualy fantasies to yourself.
aikidoka on November 7, 2009 at 6:35 PM
A blast from the past…
HotAir.com Had Almost 1/3 the Traffic of the L.A. Times’s Entire Web Site in October
If Greenwald wanted to disagree with AP on the merits – and God knows, AP takes plenty of heat from his own commenters, when their complaints are fair and when they’re not, and he does so graciously – that’d be fine. But this is sneaky, dishonest and indefensible. In other words, typical Greenwald.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM
idk why but i started laughing out loud when i read this
so true
AP is like Smalls from Sandlot
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:37 PM
This is news? I thought Allahpundit liked being smeared! I only joined in because everyone else seemed to be doing it.
Sharke on November 7, 2009 at 6:39 PM
No, GG blatantly distorted what Allahpundit wrote, which is not “criticism.” It’s falsely impugning their integrity and reputations, which GG feels safe to do from Brazil.
BTW, don’t be surprised to find “Why does HotAir let a serial pedophile comment here?” in the sidebar tomorrow.
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 6:39 PM
That sorry mother…can just…in his…with…and the…and a …whiffleball bat!
Don’t worry Allah, we know you’re a real…
29Victor on November 7, 2009 at 6:43 PM
If find this…
… outrageous!
Seven Percent Solution on November 7, 2009 at 6:44 PM
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