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He’s wrong because he is implying that small town folks who have strong faith and are owners of firearms are somehow not normal. It’s as if people who are not of a different mind-set than his are extremist right wing nut jobs.

kyarnes on April 12, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Now if Obama had said that there are some people bitter, envious, and jealous of their neighbors he would have been correct. Especially if he had also said that mostly these people are immature juveniles, whatever their calendar age, and most are liberal, he would have nailed it.

Where he went wrong was saying that because they are bitter, and jealous they find comfort in the idea of getting a gun, and getting even.

Unless he was talking about the people he knows from his church and his neighborhood.

rockhauler on April 12, 2008 at 10:20 PM

I live in small town America and have always and wouldn’t live anywhere else. And..yes, I’m offended at being called “bitter”, my faith has nothing to do with my economic situation, my wishing to keep guns is a function of the Constitution allowing me to and I think it’s a good idea and don’t want it changed, and, yes I’d like the border sealed and the laws enforced and where do Obama or Colmes(sp)get off telling me how I REALLY feel and why!!! Just shutup you two, you know from nothing!!

jeanie on April 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Check out the comment at 10:17 by Dave S. at Colmes’ blog. It’s spot on. Hysterical.

IrishEi on April 12, 2008 at 10:26 PM

The comments over there and on all the lefty hangouts are enlightening as always. Their Messiah lets slip something he really believes – something taken as an article of faith amongst his ideological brethern – near a microphone and see them all scurry around like rats.

I had Obama pegged as a condescending academic Marxist the first time I heard him speak in Illinois. Finding out what he did before politics and who is friends were confirmed it for me. Yet I feared that that point would never be made during his campaign, that somehow he’d succeed in selling Euro-socialism in the US. But lately I’m not so afraid. And it’s still early, isn’t it….?

Hannibal Smith on April 12, 2008 at 10:31 PM

I’d never heard of that website before but the map of America as being composed of dark blue states and light blue states is like a perfect conservative criticism of the Republican Party under Bush/McCain.

aengus on April 12, 2008 at 10:32 PM

So much to say, so little time. Bottomline, those who grew up in NYC don’t know the West. Period. Stop!
Don’t understand why you would need a gun. Don’t understand the rest of the country. Don’t understand the wilderness. Don’t understand middle america.
They are hepcats to apartments, pavement, and the local organic food distributor. Never really seen a cow. UH, pathetic.

thatcher on April 12, 2008 at 10:38 PM

From an obvious non-liberal at LiberalLand:

Personally, I think that you go into some of these left-wing blogs, and like a lot of self-proclaimed “liberal” enclaves, they perceive that their true died-in-the-wool leftist candidates have been gone now since 1968 and nobody has replaced them. They saw huge losses in the 80’s, and then later with Kerry and Gore… so it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to environmentalism or Marxist dogma or antipathy to people who aren’t like them–anti-religious sentiment, perhaps–as a way to explain their frustrations. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that they latch on to some vague, ethereal concept of “change” to give purpose to their lives…

by DaveS April 12, 2008 at 10:17 pm

IrishEi on April 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Hey, Alan! Here’s a clue:

If Obama had said that Americans are fed up with politicians who make promises they don’t keep, it would be correct to call that an accurate premise. (Of course, the more one relies on politicians the more crushing the disappointment, and anyone who thinks Obama the Marxist will do a better job is setting themselves up for more crushing disappointment, but I digress).

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Buy Danish on April 12, 2008 at 10:44 PM

IrishEi on April 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Damn, I was gonna post Dave’s comment…this thing needs to be spread around, how pithy! Dave, you are too cool for school man.

surrounded on April 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM

IrishEi on April 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I think they pulled that comment. I don’t see it there.

Guardian on April 12, 2008 at 11:03 PM

never mind. I didn’t scroll down far enough…

Guardian on April 12, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Naturally.

its vintage duh on April 12, 2008 at 11:20 PM

Is this blog really BY Alan Colmes or is it a fan site? There is no where on the site that says who runs the thing?

Warner Todd Huston on April 12, 2008 at 11:45 PM

…Oh, wait. I remember this one now. It was the blog Colmes was trying to keep a secret a while back. Never mind.

Warner Todd Huston on April 13, 2008 at 12:15 AM

This seems to be the point in American history when leftists insert a demonstration of how far removed from reality and the rest of the world they really are—and we owe it all to Obama.

Thank you, Obama, for demonstrating the definition of the word, “elitism” to the entire nation. It couldn’t have come at a more opportune time. The elitists are crawling out of the woodwork like they’ve been sprayed with a can of RAID, as it should be.

FloatingRock on April 13, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Copied and pasted from “Liberal Land” – because it’s just so darn good.

“I believe that is how you bring a nation together. We should be praising him for something that makes one group of Americans more understandable, and for generating identification and consolidation of all elements of America.” –Connie Star

It might be even more effective at bringing the nation together if you capture some members of that little understood group of Americans, and tagged their ears with GPS tracking devices. Then you could follow them around and study them, maybe even make a documentary!

You people are so out of touch that it is becoming hysterical. I literally laughed out loud at your comment, and, yet, you probably don’t even understand how intellectually inferior you sound to most Americans–those bitter, small-town Americans–who would look at you with a combination of pity and curiosity.

Do none of you–Alan?–realize the extent of the unelectability of this undeservedly pompous moron that you are about to nominate?

by DaveS April 12, 2008 at 10:23 pm

Rod on April 13, 2008 at 12:59 AM

The fact that he made this statement on Billionaire’s Row, IMO, is worth just as much as his actual words. All those hoity-toity people just ate it up.

So in the past month, he’s smeared his granny, mainstream black churches, the unborn by calling them punishment, and now Middle America. He’s free-falling big time. Then again, the LSM gives this guy so much cover and time to make his non-apologies.

I used to be able to tolerate Alan, but GEEZ! He’s become a parody of himself. His points never make sense and it’s as if he’s there to be a thorn in Sean’s side or whomever the Conservative/Republican/Rational guest is. Kirsten Powers during the Colmes-free weeks annoys me too.

Dubn8tr on April 13, 2008 at 1:06 AM

Obama, clinging to his stupidity.

And bitter than he is being found out.

profitsbeard on April 13, 2008 at 1:07 AM

The elitists are crawling out of the woodwork like they’ve been sprayed with a can of RAID, as it should be.

FloatingRock on April 13, 2008 at 12:43 AM

That’s because they’re giddy in April, when the election is in November.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 2:07 AM

The fact that an invited “billionaire for Hillary” operative went to the billionaire row party, had the speech recorded in secret, then gave it to the HuffPoo, normally Obama’s playground, to give Hillary the opportunity to get back on top, at the most critical time, is Shakespearean.

She’s so full of caca, and in the same billionaires’ laps, and might get away with it because Obama’s naivite made him say such stupid things in San Francisco, in the bossom of idealistic, rich, elitist, billionaire filth.

If she does, imagine the wrath, the hell Pelosi, Reid, Richardson, the Kennedys, and a slu of others will pay.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 3:06 AM

They took down Dave’s posts of 10:17 and 10:23…can’t have ugly truth cluttering up Alan’s Leftist Echo Chamber, now can they?

By the way, Dave, well said in both posts.

You the man!

SuperCool on April 13, 2008 at 3:38 AM

I don’t think they took them down… they’re still showing up for me, at least.

DaveS on April 13, 2008 at 4:16 AM

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 3:06 AM

Careful now. “Billionaire filth” sounds like what a lib, or dare I say, Bill Ayers, would say. Moreover, “idealism” is not evil. But I’m with you on the Shakespearean thing.

I do look forward to the ABC debate.

Buy Danish on April 13, 2008 at 9:02 AM

He’s wrong because he is implying that small town folks who have strong faith and are owners of firearms are somehow not normal. It’s as if people who are not of a different mind-set than his are extremist right wing nut jobs.

Well, firstly, he’s not implying that at all. You’re misconstruing his comments, probably deliberately. And secondly, he’s right.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Buy Danish on April 13, 2008 at 9:02 AM

Good point. I never like to hear someone attacked for being successful. Slicing and dicing Americans into various classes and sub-groups is a standard tactic for the left. All it shows when a left leaner gets rapt attention from a group of wealthy donors is that political ignorance isn’t confined to the less educated. In fact, given the state of our University and College system, it’s hardly surprising that a group of people who have gone to the “very best” schools would actually be the most clueless.

TheCulturalist on April 13, 2008 at 11:25 AM

DaveS. Simply brilliant.

kyarnes on April 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Right about what? That poorer people “cling” to more guns and, heaven forbid, go to church? And that is somehow a negative?

kyarnes on April 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM

NONE OF THIS IS THE POINT. Many people “feel” something is wrong with this statement, but don’t seem to be sure what.

Forget about “bitterness” – Obama said that gun rights support, and religion, are EQUIVALENT to racism.

As a self professed “person of faith” Obama should know better. Perhaps he only “converted” (assuming he was baptized) for political reasons, and doesn’t really believe it.

Agrippa2k on April 13, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I would’ve agreed with Obama on part of his remark when he referred to anti-immigration sentiments and the bitterness it created. If he would have used the words “anti-illegalimmigration,” then he would have been correct. And rightly so. I know a ton of struggling folks who are directly affected by the toll of illegal immigration on their prospective employment and lack of ability to get affordable healthcare because the system created for the poor is already broke, here in TN.

kyarnes on April 13, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Two of the smartest operatives on the Left have been Messrs Gore and Edwards. They are the two who held out from the ‘Obama-orgasm’ and stand to reap the rewards if her highness becomes inevitable again.

What melodrama, because a good percentage of the Obama love-fest contingent will never vote for her. It’s hardly conceivable that Obama could take the VP slot, without being perceived as the Black second fiddle to the vicious white woman, who “stole the slot” from what was deservedly his.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Agrippa2k on April 13, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Exactly. The word “bitterness” has nothing to do with the offensiveness of Obama’s words. Strike it from the statement altogether and he still said that the reason people cling to religion, the second amendment and presumably other American Constitutional principles is the same reason they cling to xenophobia and racism.

He is essentially saying that conservative American values are deranged.

Why would Obama equate core American values with racism?

Considering the church Obama has been attending for the past 20 years combined with the fact that he’s a leftist, it’s no wonder he feels this way. Wright may have said, “God damn America”, but it seems Obama took it to heart. I think Wright and Obama feel that American principles are the principles of slavery and racism and reject them. I believe this is the mentality that led Obama to say what he did. And even if I’m wrong about the specifics of the underlying cause it doesn’t change what Obama said.

FloatingRock on April 13, 2008 at 1:29 PM

And just where is he wrong? Pointing out why people may be bitter or frustrated, that there is xenophobia, that people sometimes cling to religion or feel paranoid about the government and embrace guns doesn’t mean you hate or disdain a portion of the population.

As Colmes suggests, one can both have xenophobia but not dislike a portion of the population? Huh?

WARNING! WARNING! LIBERAL LOGIC ALERT!

Weebork on April 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM

You may have already noticed liberals talking heads, such as Mr Colmes here, do when caught red handed is attempt to frame the specifics in whatever was either written or spoken into abstractions. Abstractions can be argued, tweaked, molded, and shaped any way without really any resolution. They do this to keep the specifics, that is, what really happened, from being discussed. If they permitted the specifics to be discussed, it is damaging to their cause and their candidate.

By reframing what Obama said into a discussion about the use of language, or the validity of the issues he brought up, liberals are attempting to force conservatives to prove that Obama meant what he said, rather than the other way around. They are attempting to put the burden of proof on Obama’s opponents and to some degree they have done it.

Weebork on April 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM

If you have to ask that question, then it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you lack the capacity to be human. Alan is a disgrace to his race and his religion (oops, does he have one?). Liberal lapdog!

sharinlite on April 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Could be small town America is fed up with their communities and nation being made a petri dish for the experiments of leftists, not to mention the vote fraud aided by illegal immigration. The corporatist elites are just as bad, deciding that factory jobs are obsolete in America (after donating to leftist causes and pandering to leftist politicians for decades). They take the serf labor and “externalize” the costs of open borders by dumping the crime and medical bills on taxpayers.

Small town America still has a strong streak of independence and is less malleable to demagogues. That frightens the messiah. Boo!

Feedie on April 13, 2008 at 3:06 PM