David Frum
Palin supporters have constructed an alternative reality in which their heroine is wildly cheered by the American yeomanry, and despised only by a small coterie of sherry-drinking snobs. No contrary evidence, no matter how overwhelming and uncontradicted, can alter this view: not the collapse in Palin’s support in just 5 weeks in 2008, not the statistical studies that show her as the only vice presidential nominee in ticket to have hurt her ticket, not her rampant unpopularity with American women, not her own flinching from a second encounter with the Alaskan electorate.
In this regard, Continentti’s comparison of Palin to William Jennings Bryan begins to look not only apt, but ominous.
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The only alternative reality that Frum is involved in is the one in his head where he thinks he actually matters in the political arena
Defector01 on November 8, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Sarah Palin: This piece proves that you are over the target. Continue firing at will. We have your back.
–the infantry
ted c on November 8, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Frum – does anyone care what he says?
DerKrieger on November 8, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Are we trying to see how many anti-Palin headlines we can jam up here?
Enoxo on November 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Oooooh, a statistical study. Can’t argue with that, can we?
/s off
Wethal on November 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM
while I for the most part despise Frum and other Rinos and I do like Palin please overcome the reality of the polls.
CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Why does a strong, opionated conservative woman cause soo much hate towards her?
TexasDude on November 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM
While I generally consider Frum to squishy for my tastes I think he is right here.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Once again Frum shows just how out of touch he is, it never occurs to him that conservatives like Palin because she, you know, actually stands up for their beliefs, unlike Frum and his band of weak squishes.
clearbluesky on November 8, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Mr. Frum, you make many good points and your sound judgment is always welcome.
(SHHH! The baby needs a boost of confidence now and then or he’ll lapse into manic, suicidal depression!)
Orange Doorhinge on November 8, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Frum and the rest have constructed a reality where a quitter, has been, no-longer-relevant, non entity, private citizen gets mentioned 100 times per day by people who are frothing at the mouth while they try to convince everyone that Sarah Palin is a quitter, no-longer-relevant, has been, non entity.
Bishop on November 8, 2009 at 7:57 PM
There’s something seriously wrong with Frum. If I ever got the chance to meet him face to face, I’m afraid I’d end up arrested. I can visualize him running away from me crying, “He broke my f***ing nose, he broke my f***ing nose”. Hee, hee.
NoNails on November 8, 2009 at 7:57 PM
What? No room on Mitten’s speechwriting team?
Jesus, Frum! Can we spell obsequeous toady?
I knew we could!
victor82 on November 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM
I have had — and still have — questions about Sarah Palin’s readiness (but not ultimate abilities) to hold high office, but Frum’s babblings are another matter altogether.
I smell jealousy here: someone without his undeniably magnificent academic and high-political-society credentials attracts a huge following, something he cannot manage and never will.
It must be hell to see yourself as so perfect and absolutely correct while a mere plebeian nobody from the sticks sends messages that resonate with real Americans.
Or maybe he’s simply miffed because she is an attractive person and someone most people would like to have as a friend and/or leader, which he is not.
There’s only one way to answer Frum: $TFU, jerk.
MrScribbler on November 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM
David Frum who?
Caper29 on November 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the? What is up with all the Palin posts and smears? It seems as if they are increasing, if that’s even possible.
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Frum doesn’t seem to understand that for Conservatives Sarah Palin the symbol is bigger than Sarah Palin the woman (IMO anyway). She is David taking on the government Goliath. She is really the one speaking “truth to power”. She represnets the common man against his would be masters.
The elites in DC want to rule us and they believe Sarah Palin is the monkey wrench in their plans.
DerKrieger on November 8, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Oh God, Frum again.
Would somebody tell him he’s not expanding the tent, but moving it?
JeffWeimer on November 8, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I would like to hear Frum’s theory about why, prior to being selected as McCain’s running mate, Palin enjoyed an 80% approval rating among the Alaskan electorate, the highest of any state governor. This obviously required the appreciation of a lot of Democrats and is not the type of thing that happens by accident. Maybe in the alternative universe of hysterical, irrelevant tools like Frum, where frothing at the mouth liberals are referred to as moderates, approval ratings like that can happen by chance.
Kataklysmic on November 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM
The only reason she is relevant is that the rabid Palinistas could make her the nominee of the Republican party.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM
I doubt if Frum fantasizes about any women.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Frum , Palin is not the problem of the nation. Attack something else .
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Like the mistake they did with Reagan.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Snobs who raise their pinkies when they drink said sherry.
SouthernGent on November 8, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Sarah Palin is going to continue to treat posts like this like water off a duck’s back. She has emerged stronger after she has passed through this gauntlet. I’d love to see if Obama could walk a day in her shoes, endure the press examination she has endured and be able to take it with the thin skin that he has.
It’s doubtful.
Sarah; I’ll send ya a little change for the PAC later this week, k
;)
ted c on November 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM
PLEASE STOP GIVING FRUMPY PUBLICITY!
American Elephant on November 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM
I don’t really understand why Frum get so upset with Palin supporters since he thinks they are “so few.”
deidre on November 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Allahpundit has to have something to do in between sessions of sticking pins in his Palin VooDoo doll.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 8, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Thanks for letting us know. Now leave.
bighead4 on November 8, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Hah, I’m afraid my Palin Fantasy is NSFW.
Alden Pyle on November 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM
P
Lies, damn lies and statistics….
What hurt her ticket were John McCain and the collapsed economy. McCain was 2 points up just before the economy went south…
Caper29 on November 8, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Hell hath no fury like a Frum scorned
faraway on November 8, 2009 at 8:06 PM
The “Attack Palin” tactic is the last step before obscurity.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM
It’s the demorats who are the ones shining the spotlight on Palin the most. They seem to have quite a bit of fear about a woman they spend so much time trying to portray as irrelevant.
I expect the GOP “elites” to do it because they do it to everyone who doesn’t fit their mold; witness poor Hoffman.
Bishop on November 8, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Honestly, I know its not my site and I am just a visitor but the articles bashing Palin are getting redundant, old and worn out…all they do is swell up anger at the sheer stupidity of the people writing them….if we must endure another Palin bashing article, is it too much to ask that it be one that actually has a point using rational thought? I don’t mind reading criticism about someone I admire, but all I see is rehash of the same old lies…all it does is pi$$ me off.
Example: “that show her as the only vice presidential nominee in ticket to have hurt her ticket”
Really? That massive wad of cash that came in as soon as she was VP nom was just a figment of our imagination?? Ok!
We get it, you liberals and cocktail sipping Republicans cannot stand her. We get it. One more story saying so is absolutely meaningless and will not make your baseless allegations true by repetition. Unless you have a concrete reason why we should all dump the one of the few Republicans we have that seems to want to fight and actually displays…wait for it…principles, Frum and the rest of you hacks can go F**k yourselves.
javamartini on November 8, 2009 at 8:09 PM
farright on November 8, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Nothing Frum nothing leaves nothing.
Ya gotta have something…
to getta read from me.
Statistical studies? Good grief. Figures lie and liars figure.
viking01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Frum’s Misogyny Syndrome
faraway on November 8, 2009 at 8:10 PM
hey whats wrong with sherry
blatantblue on November 8, 2009 at 8:11 PM
I heard his mother.
Amadeus on November 8, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Frum’s real problem seems to be that while he is unable to “expand the tent,” he is also unable to pitch a tent.
MrScribbler on November 8, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Eh, at this point, Frum’s lost a lot of credibility. It’s hard to read his article and decide whether or not he has a point.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Frums parents were elitist leftard fu*ks well known throughout Canada. David is rebelling against mommy and daddy by being a conservative elitist fu*k. He should form the Republican Elitist Fu*k Party and suck up all the other elitist fu*ks in the Republican party and they can roll out Jeb Bush and go for broke in 2012.
BL@KBIRD on November 8, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Who is this Frum twit anyways?
Exit question: Who whines More about the coverage they receive?
Juno77 on November 8, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Frum has a point.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:13 PM
BULL!!!!!!!!!!!
Man-up time: what states did she lose?
I know she killed Mac in the Philly suburbs, but MCCAIN WAS GOING TO LOSE PENN ANYWAY
Conversely, I believe Palin SINGLE HANDEDLY won Missouri. And possibly even Montana or N Dakota
HATERS, TELL ME WHAT STATE PALIN LOST. Without her, we lose NC and Indy even bigger.
WHICH STATE DID SHE LOSE??????????????????
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Would you are someone else please tell me how she overcomes the poll numbers.
CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Frum and Brooks represent what happens when leftists don’t embrace neo-liberalism but embrace certain hawkish policies…
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM
There’s the proof that I needed. With Frum’s analysis I can now support Palin with everything thatI can throw her way, without guilt. What a moron to think that he dictates what is right and wrong for this party. For crying out loud he was railing for everyone to vote for McCain. Until Obama gave him his knee pads and he saw THE ONE’s creases. DORK…..
denniscb on November 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Just wait till the week of the 16th. We haven’t seen nothing yet. Frumie may just do a noes dive out the nearest window.
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM
If only Mr. Frum could imagine the alternate reality we have about him.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Oh please. Anyone who has held power in this country is an elitist. And guess what if Sarah Palin wants to make a run in 2012 she’s needs the money of the elitists to do so. Just a fact.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Yeah but if he puts hat on no one will notice.
thomasaur on November 8, 2009 at 8:15 PM
If the Democrats can get a socialist radical with zero qualifications elected, there’s no way to criticize any potential republican nominee as “unelectable”.
JohnJ on November 8, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Bishop,
I’m with you on this. I don’t give Dennis Kucinich any thought because even though he has followers the fact is that the guy doesn’t matter. In fact I usually ignore people that are widely considered ineffectual, unintelligent, political lightweights. Either she is a nobody and thus should be ignored or she is an important player that should be engaged. If half of what Frum stated was true there would be no reason to discredit her because the work would already be done. I’m pretty sure you can’t have it both ways.
Mormon Doc on November 8, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Palin is not reagan
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:16 PM
I think you just misconstrued the original post you responded to. Palin may have to get money from wealthy financiers, but this does not mean she won’t be a populist.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM
What’s interesting is that Palin is now Frum’s meal ticket. He and others like Kathleen Parker are known primarily, and perhaps only, because they live to criticize her. I think Frum’s irrelevant anyway, but without her, he’s invisible. Be careful what you wish for jerk.
Erich66 on November 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM
You don’t understand the concept of “elitist” .
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Frum’s traffic jumped up to 10 hits after this link…
d1carter on November 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM
all she has to do to win is do mccain’s states, add in teh ‘once in a lifetime blue states’ (IN, NC), and then win FOUR.
FOUR.
-Florida
-Virginia
-Ohio
-Colorado
She can do that with every single woman and environmentalist in america hating her.
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM
yawn
John the Libertarian on November 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Shouting “Sarah Palin” in a room full of libs gets the same result as shouting “fire” in a movie theater. Screaming panic.
behiker on November 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM
I think that is the point. Amateur Hour did not work well for america in 2008.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Good Lord, is this idiot really looking back at the model of Woodrow Wilson?
Go back to your eponymous site and write something applicable today, please.
(Oh, and AP- If you try, you could probably squeeze 5 or 6 Palin pieces into headlines at once!)
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM
We’ll see.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Frum is the smartest man in the room; I envy his intellect.
- that’s what he wants to hear, right? Will he shut up now?
Spirit of 1776 on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM
No, I used to see Parker pre-Palin trying to sell Books on CNN… She’s wildly popular among the mindless.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM
What. That is not how it is?
GW_SS-Delta on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM
And, please smack down the populists while visiting the New Majority…
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM
I dont think Florida will swing for her.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM
I laughed my butt off the “Frum Report” or whatever was live-blogging the election and 4 or 5 hours later they got their ONE comment. I wrote about it here and one clever whit said it was “probably from a ‘DFrum’ writing ‘Does this ####ing thing work?!’ “
Marcus on November 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Hey Frum welcome to Newterville. You can stay as long as you like.
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM
And again, ALL OF PALINS SKELETONS ARE OUT THERE….
…..and she’s polling at 40% vs the first black nobel messiah.
HER NEGATIVES ARE AS HIGH AS THEY WILL EVER BE, THEYE CAN ONLY GO DOWN
anyone that ‘could’ hate sarah palin ALREADY hates sarah palin!
otoh, huckabee/romney/etc have many shoes still to drop.
PALIN FTW! She has faults, but she’s still at 40% with the ‘common man’ hating her. she has 3 years to reinvent herself and win back: virginia, florida, ohio, colorado. that’s all it takes + mccain states + ‘red states’ (in, nc) to win in 2012, bc of the electoral college changes.
if palin runs, she will win.
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Good question. To be fair she has time to bring up her poll numbers but she has a lot of work to do.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM
and why not?
bush beat kerry there by FIVE percentagee points.
AND, palin’s app;roval with hispanics is 55% — the only gop to crack 50.
how could she lose with those numbers?
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:21 PM
FYI those of you who feel that the poll numbers indicate that Palin is unelectable I have two questions for you?
Then why bother attempting to discredit her?
Are these the polls run by Obama approved media?
Mormon Doc on November 8, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Fork Frum, he’s done.
Dave R. on November 8, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Uh… even the Newtered One has more followers that NeoFrum.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Romney and Huckabee were involved in a national presidential campaign (like Palin) if there is another shoe to drop…it would have dropped already.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM
*than
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM
1. write a book
2. give policy speeeches
3. back conservative candidates regardless of policy (ie, ny23)
4. get into tough interviews and fight the interviewer about ‘principles’ or ‘conservatism’
5. have some one-liners ready for the ‘quitter’ attacks (”mr president, YOU QUIT on our economy 4 years ago!”)
6. nominate a hispanic (rubio!). palin’s approval rating with latinos is 55%, the only gop that cracks 50. add rubio you lock down florida & colorado. all she needs else is virginia and ohio and boom! she is president b/c of the electoral college shifts.
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Just the primary , a world of difference.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM
If she’s so irrelevant, why do these people keep writing about her?
I don’t care if she was polling at 2%, I would vote for Sarah Palin in any election, for any office, at any time.
Sarah Palin IS conservatism. Sarah Palin IS America.
KSgop on November 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM
CW it is very simple, she just has to tell the truth and continue to “pull the curtain away”. The American public is not as stupid as Frum thinks. Sarah has already started the process with her book and the book tour (with media appearances). If she is successful she will solidify her position as the GOP front-runner in 12. If not she is savvy enough to know that it’s not time yet and then she will work behind the scenes to forward the Conservative / Libertarian / Republican agenda.
denniscb on November 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Maybe, but her claim to fame is her infamous “Palin needs to drop out of the race” article, and her constant criticism since then. Outside of Parker’s little circle, no one knew who she was until she hitched onto the anti-Palin bandwagon.
Erich66 on November 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Wrong! In the case of Huckabee, there were a few hints in the primaries, but the media didn’t go full “attack dog” on him.
If he gets the nod, it will all hit the fan. Won’t be pretty for the GOP.
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM
I despise Frum’s brand of squishy middle, fearful politics. I really do. And I like Sarah Palin a lot. I really do. But Frum’s right. She is unelectable. What the media and the left did to her is despicable, truly, truly despicable, but they did it well. She is not the one to beat Obama in 2012. Ridicule is his only weapon, and he’ll pour it on Palin in spades, with all of the national media and the entertainment industry helping him along. She’s good behind the scenes. She’d make a great national party chair. She’d be a fine senator. I’d be thrilled to see her appointed to just about any cabinet post in a Republican administration. But for 2012, we need someone who has absolutely no baggage at all, so the discussion can be centered on Obama’s failures, inadequacies, and incompetence. The media will want to talk about anything else but those things, and a Palin candidacy will give them just what they need. Maybe 2016. I don’t know. But not now. Not now. Voters do not like to turn out incumbent presidents. Obama must be defeated, so we need a candidate who can keep the discussion focused on Obama and his epic fail, not on the GOP candidate and their family problems.
Let’s find a good candidate, get Obama defeated, and then sit back and watch the left’s heads explode when Palin is named Energy Secretary. Drill, baby, drill!
Rational Thought on November 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM
I’ll make a deal with you Frum. When people flock by the thousands and thousands to hear you speak and when one of your books sells 2 million copies BEFORE IT’S EVEN PRINTED… then, I will consider what you have to say about Sarah Palin.
Your man mitty makes me YAWN !
stenwin77 on November 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM
This should be titled: The Frum Fantasy.
Blake on November 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM
True… Don’t see her going anywhere though. Parker has very little substance or moral direction. At least worthless pseudo-righties like MegMac can blog about body parts.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM
I don’t think Huckabee has a chance to get the nomination anyways.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM
The Florida vote is way more than Hispanics.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Why click on the link? The excerpt and the name of the so-called author tell you more than you need to know.
MrScribbler on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM
This should be titled: The Frum Fantasy.
Blake on November 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM
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Make that the Frum/Allah Fantasy.
shomegirl on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Question. Would the mccain-lobbyist “AFFAIR” that broke in the NYT page 1 the day AFTER mccain got the nomination, would that have been posted AT ALL if mccain lost to romney?
would it?
cause if you do i’ve got a bridge in brooklyn to sell you.
romney had a file of oppo research THIS BIG that the dnc was waiting to drop on august 29. they were TOTALLY taken aback by palin. ive heard dnc types mention all the ‘dirt’ they had romney was wasted time.
but let me help you frame the unfair attacks:
“mr romney, why were you party of a church that banned blacks until 1980? you were involved in the most scandalous olympics of all time! you flipped on abortion in your 50s… planning any more political ‘conversions’ once in office?”
its NOT FAIR. but if you think they are ‘clean’ you are crazy. the media will throw ALL they have at them.
but… they media ALREADY did it to palin. what will they do, “i see russia from my house”?
in the words of a 13 year old, “TIMELY REFERENCE FAIL!”.
palin is like ashley judd in double jeopardy. she can’t be tried twice!
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Let’s see… Do I believe Frum’s “statistical studies,” or McCain’s (IMO begrudging) statement that she fired up the base for him?
Decisions, decisions….
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM
You are right. Most political analysis I’ve seen suggests that Palin helped McCain — that his trouncing would have been much worse with a “safe” VP pick. I still think she’s damaged goods, but you’re right that Frum is full of BS in suggesting that she hurt the McCain ticket. She helped it. Just not enough.
Rational Thought on November 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Call me crazy…but I wouldn’t mind someone who makes me Yawn right now. President Obama is probably the best political orator that I’ve seen and I don’t think he’s doing a good job.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM
So let me get this straight, this country just elected a guy whose only strengths were reading a teleprompter and not being George W. Bush and you have the stones to proclaim Sarah Palin couldn’t win?
What fu$king kind of bubble are you living in?
I’m a Palin fan, but honestly, based on the last election, we’ve got proof now ANYBODY WITH A PULSE might very well get elected next time
Tim Zank on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM
One has to wonder if HA linking to Frum helps him survive… I mean, how many FrumBashes do we have per week?
Why not just link to Simpleton’s Mother’s Blog???
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM
ok, let me put it thisi way:
how could she lose florida, assuming another gop could win?
what ‘group’ would romney or huckabee win that she doesnt? remember, bush beat kerry by 5. who did bush kerry that wont vote palin? retired jews? blacks in jacksonville? college kids in ocala? they wouldnt vote gop in a million years no matter what
who would win florida, and why?
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Florida.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM
I agree, but think the “Huck would be just fine in the general, no media attack issues” is another fantasy.
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Obama not doing a good job doesn’t explain why you’d want a man that makes you yawn.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM
bs. he’s awful. bush without notes > barack without notes.
for real
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM
I’m sick of this fight. A lot can happen in 3 years. Remember how they all hated Kate from Jon and Kate + 8 and blamed her? Well Jon is a butt, and now people are sympathetic for Kate…this can definitely turn around!!!
deidre on November 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM
You dont get it, her fighting to get elected will help other candidates , if she’s doesn’t win the primary.
If you think conservatism works , she’ll get plenty of arguments to make 2012.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Never thought of it that way.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Perhaps… I just though Frum’s Mom was his only “follower”
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM
That may be true, but, that’s not the point of his ramblings. He’s trying to spin that conservatives like Palin because they think she’s electable, but the reality is that conservatives like her because she stands up for their beliefs. And that’s what really is behind all the hate for Palin from the Frum types and Democrats, she’s an actual conservative who is willing to stand up for conservative beliefs.
clearbluesky on November 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM
what group in FL did she turn off.
according to the rnc types, she DID turn off pro-choice R-leaning women in the philly suburbs.
what group/geographic area did she lose in FL? (btw, obama won by 250,000 votes. how many did palin lose?)
i just dont see it. in places in the south (esp georgia), palin saved mccain’s hide. parts of florida, palin enthused people.
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM
First of all, it is not all about who would win to me, it is also who would be a good president.
I think Mittens would do far better with the small business socially moderate crowd in the I-4 corridor. That is where McCain lost the state. There is not enough votes in the parts of the state where she is wildly popular.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM
In an alternative universe, Frump would still be wrong.
A squid calling something else squishy?
davidk on November 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM
He’s from Canada, isn’t he?
Blow me David.
LtE126 on November 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM
I didn’t realize being “exciting” was necessary for the President of the United States. I didn’t know we were electing the next American Idol.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM
that should gave been “That may be true, at least for the moment”.
clearbluesky on November 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM
im looking at the election maps on wiki right now. its basically the same county by county, except that in 2004 tampa-st pete went to bush; in 2008, it went to obama
i chalk that up to black turnout more than small business folks being offended by palin.
we’ll see in 2012, i just dont see it (and again, where there 250,000 offended potential mccain voters that ran away b/c of sarah? if thats true, why did mccain only get 33% of the florida primary?)
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Florida.. She will win Florida. She will win the Hispanics and seniors in Florida. Obama is not going to hang on to Florida after PelosiCare.
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM
That wasn’t my point. You said
What’s the point? Obama sucks but is allegedly a good orator so we should seek bad orators? No, you didn’t say this. You just said that you wouldn’t mind someone that makes you yawn. McCain made me yawn AND I didn’t like his politics. Yes, I might mind someone that made me yawn.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Are u suggesting for Todd to dump Sarah?
/joke
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM
The only area where Palin made a huge difference is in the North and the panhandle. Compared to the rest of the state there are not nearly enough votes to balance out.
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Can we quit having this argument, please. We have a country to save….let’s concentrate on the idiots in Congress and get most of the monstrosities out of there..then we can move to who will be the GOP nominee for POTUS.
shomegirl on November 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Frum’s analysis and competency is well received by the Democrats and possibly by some in the elite class of the GOP. Why else could he survive?
Come on David, tell us who is paying your way.
We know for a fact that if you took the time to attack the actual people who are in power — you know, the ones making the domestic & foreign policy decisions these days — you’d probably be making more of a difference in our future.
No, you’d rather remain fixated on diseminating the message & shoot the messenger.
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 8:38 PM
However, unlike Democrats’ similar view of health care reform, Palin won’t cost us trillions of dollars.
calbear on November 8, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Just gotta jump in and say…
This is one of the most reasonable threads on Palin I’ve seen in a while. Not the usual “Palin and that’s that” stuff. Good arguments going on.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Palin, keep in mind, was the only one in the Rep or Dem tickets to have ever held an executive position. So instead of her experience, we got the flailing, panicking, indecisive, brain trust we have in office today.
But, hey, Obama has an Ivy League degree. That’s all you’re really looking at for “experience”, isn’t it?
Crawford on November 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Who’s leading the charge against the idiots in Congress again?
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Yep. No more wasted votes on RINOs. Give me a conservative like Sarah Palin for whom I can vote or you can kiss my ask.
davidk on November 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM
The records stuck…
The records stuck…
The records stuck…
The records stuck…
The records stuck…
ztzzzzz….
Django on November 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Nope.
davidk on November 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM
His leftwing parents.
Crawford on November 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Geez, you sure are making things personal. Just because Frum has leftwing parents doesn’t mean he is a leftist.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Well, no.
It’s going to be hard for her to shed her “Alaska image”. And quitting the Gov job didn’t score her many points. Look…when McCain chose her, did it REALLY help him?
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM
This says it all.
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM
*paging Steve Perry*
SouthernGent on November 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Yes.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Uh, ya. His numbers shot up past Obama after she was announced as his vice-presidential candidate.
JohnJ on November 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM
The problem with the anti-Palinistas is that their alternatives aren’t wildly popular anywhere, and will never be.
Yeah, he would’ve been soooo much better off with Romney or Pawlenty. He was cruising to victory!!
Give me a break. Palin gave McCain the only friggin’ shot he had of winning the election. His handling of the “meltdown” dealed his fate.
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM
*sealed, not dealed
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I’d vote for a hard-boiled egg over Barack Obama.
JohnJ on November 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM
My god(sorry) this thread is like a Cartesian Circle.
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I didnt say that at all. Palin had a few years governing a pretty small population in a state with a very limited economy
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I at least considered voting for McCain…
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Hey, I don’t like either of those two either. Thing is, and fact, that Palin did NOT give McCain the victory. She was right there….right there…to be sent to DC, as veep, and gain Beltway experience. She’d be poised to be the next presumptive nominee of the GOP. But alas.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM
So the only acceptable presidential candidates from the GOP gubernatorial stable is Arnold (if it wereen’t for consitutional problems) or maybe Rick Perry. In the future, governors of states like Delaware, Maryland, the Dakotas etc need not apply. Only CA, NY, FL, IL.
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM
She’s got somebody’s number. That is for sure.
4shoes on November 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Let me guess you’re one of the one’s that stayed home in ‘08 because McCain wasn’t a “true conservative.”
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM
That wasn’t Palin’s fault. McCain ran an erratic, tepid campaign and had a brain fart as soon as Lehman Brothers collapsed.
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM
No. But I didn’t vote for him or BHO.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Palin gave McCain his only leads in the polls and a splurge of cash from donations. McCain canceled his own campaign to go to DC and lost it himself.
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM
I’m just waiting for frumpforum to do a full-on lgf. You know it’s coming.
ElectricPhase on November 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Am I the only one sick to death of rehashing the ‘08 campaign?
Erich66 on November 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM
You mean New Majority? It’s pretty much a lib hangout.
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM
this is nothing but preemption hits for Palin’s soon to be widely acclaimed book tour which she is using politically instead of monetary by scheduling stops in the base areas. she is cementing her base on this tour and then she will come for the independents, Reagan democrates and finally in 2012 she will woo the moderates. This is the opening war in 2012. Palin will solidify her base, pictures fo thousands in line waiting for her signing will be all over the news. The liberal GOPer’s like Frum are runnning scared.
Palin is going to blow the doors off starting 11/16. Watch and learn how a true leader and politicians plays to the base without offending independents.
Liberals she has written off.
unseen on November 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM
JetBoy & terryann can be found on Palin threads. If a tangent can be made — followed by an irrelevant …
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 8:57 PM
:facepalm:
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 8:57 PM
The Frum fantasy: Power, influence, or mere recognition of his existence.
Jim Treacher on November 8, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Good job in giving us President Obama.
terryannonline on November 8, 2009 at 8:57 PM
JetBoy, even McCain has admitted that Palin helped his candidacy enormously. His downfall started with the sharp economic downturn exacerbated by his suspending his campaign. You really need to take a truthful look at McCain. He was a terrible candidate by all accounts.
KickandSwimMom on November 8, 2009 at 8:57 PM
YES. I’ve typed the same old thing about that in response to the same old statements. I’m going to let the above be my last comment on the matter. The facts speak for themselves.
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM
B-I-N-G-O !
McCain had a shot until that “suspend the campaign” stunt. Went to DC and did absolutely nuttin’. Then, he voted for the Tarp or Stimulus, or whatever they call that particular Crap Sandwich.
stenwin77 on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Palin will win Florida, Texas and with 17% and going up unemployment has a very good shot at California.
What people don’t understand is the voters need Palin more than she needs the job.
Firebird on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Short-lived lead.
Sure, in hindsight, McCain running back to DC that time probably didn’t help him. But again, so many gave McCain a harder time…during the elections…than the Left did. Palin became the Left’s favorite whipping girl, and all in all it was a distraction. Independents were turned off.
I dunno…still say it’s a bad idea to put Palin out there as a POTUS hopeful. She just can’t win.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I mean, NO, you aren’t the only one. ROFL Good grief…
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 8:59 PM
You do realize that the presidential election is not a popular vote, right?
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I am sick of it too. I am also sick of being reminded everyday that we lost and that Pelosi et al run DC. So we need to not run squishy candidates again.
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Beating up a Canadian? I thought fantasies were supposed to be exciting.
The Race Card on November 8, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I can’t say that she would win either, but I’d rather go down fighting than not fight at all. Nominating Romney or Huckabee, who are doing nothing for us now, would feel like surrender. All I now is that I want a fighter, and she is fighting.
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM
That would take common sense, Meat.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM
I’m with ya on that t.a.
I’m trying to move on from the “Blame game”, hard as it is as I’m still p.o’ed about it, but those like us and the Palinistas are on the same side. We really all want the same things. And the fool in the White House out ASAP before even more damage is done.
Cohesion. Party. Principle. United.
For America, and all our futures.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM
This post is so true. The electability issue of Palin is almost secondary to the fact that conservatives are so relieved and happy to have someone who believes as they do and is willing to stand up for those beliefs. It really is that simple. Oh, and it is an added bonus that she is a happy warrior – there is nothing petty in her nature at all.
KickandSwimMom on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Good grief is the QOTD going to be a montage of Palin articles? She appears to be on the mind of many today.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Whenever you take a big healthy OBAMA, be sure to wipe your FRUM.
portlandon on November 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Romney and Huck can get administration jobs somewhere, but not the Oval Office for sure. *shudder*
I know I’ve said it to death, but we DO have a fighter. John Boehner. Much more viable a potential candidate than Palin, as he’s IN government, and Palin QUIT government.
Just sayin’.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Actually I think it does sort of bother her, though she may treat it otherwise. But instead of hide from it, it makes her mad and she goes on the attack. It’s human nature to be a little hurt by some of the attacks, but that goes along with the whole “outside the beltway” persona. Those politicos are way too often apathetic to what others (we, their employers) say or want. They do what they think is best for us. Palin is more attuned to what people want, which is good, but means she takes things a little more personally. That can be good because you can be more passionate about things, but I don’t believe that it just rolls off her back. She isn’t desentsitized the way most “politicians” are, but that’s a big part of why I like her. She tries to be diplomatic, but she has to fight calling a spade a spade at times too. You saw that during the election. She was uncomfortable during a lot of interviews because she didn’t feel like she could be the same ol’ Sarah – she was now on a national stage. Give her time to figure out how to balance it and she will be good. She’s got the talent and the skills, she just has to work (I guess) on the balance. I really, really like this woman.
Disclaimer: Dallas is playing tonight and I spent the weekend at Fort Hood so I’ve been drinking a bit (i.e. excuse the grammar and spelling)
XWing5 on November 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM
She forces the rest to take a conservative stance. So whoever will win has to be conservative.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM
You and Terryann seriously need to read up on our election process. Join Camp Hillary in abandoning the electoral college for all I care, but Cons in blue states could actually have a stronger voice if they voted against squishy progressive republicans when their state was already going to a Donk. It would send a principled message.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:07 PM
McCain came across as erratic, but his pick of Palin played into that perception. She gave him an initial boost but her numbers faded during September and October. However, few people could do what McCain asked of her–go from unknown to inspiring C-in-C confidence in a national audience in a just a few weeks.
dedalus on November 8, 2009 at 9:07 PM
My bad.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Well, at least Principle beat Unity…
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM
I know others have problems with him, but I have nothing against Boehner. I wish him well… but I also wish Palin well.
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM
I’m fine, but thanks for asking.
sherry on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM
David Frum is like the little guy in grade school who would literally wet his drawers before handing his lunch money over to the resident bully. Why would I take political or any other kind of advice from someone like that?
DeathB4Tyranny on November 8, 2009 at 9:09 PM
So in Frum’s universe, everything is static and unchanging. What the polls say today is written in stone forevermore. It’s unthinkable that a person could remake their own image, win people over with their charisma and ideas. You know, considering RINOs like from and their willing accomplices on the left declared the governor’s resignation a disaster akin to the Hindenberg crash, and considering she has been out of the public eye completely for the last three and a half months, I would expect her favorables to be in negative territory. Seems to me that 70% favorable among Republicans and 40% among moderates is pretty impressive for someone whose political career is over.
Expect these hit pieces to come fast and furious as we race closer to Nov. 17, folks. The review copies have been distributed, people in certain sherry-drinking circles are finding out what’s in this book and they are crapping their pants knowing Sarah is about to make one hell of a comeback — just like Reagan did.
NoLeftTurn on November 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM
battleoflepanto1571 on November 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM
I think it’s adorable when people pass around inaccuracies like the one you did regarding blacks and the LDS faith. Do you really want to know the details of what happened because your info is incorrect. FYI I think Mitt would be horrible for the country but it has little to do with his faith or the faith he pretends to espouse when it is convenient.
Mormon Doc on November 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM
I do hope our QOTD isn’t about Palin though…. please make me feel better about our chances of killing PelosiCare.
El_Terrible on November 8, 2009 at 9:11 PM
That’s what they said about Reagan before and during his Presidency….
Caper29 on November 8, 2009 at 9:12 PM
A+
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Let me guess JetBoy Boehner supports changing the meaning of marriage to mean something that is gay friendly?
Mormon Doc on November 8, 2009 at 9:13 PM
This is my fantasy at work. LOL!
Caper29 on November 8, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Just gotta jump in and say…
This is one of the most reasonable posts from JetBoy I’ve seen in a while. Not the usual “Gay and that’s that” stuff. Good commenting going on.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 9:15 PM
David Fins
LibTired on November 8, 2009 at 9:15 PM
If renaming a blog after yourself isn’t enough to warrant not linking to it any more than it’s hard to imagine what would.
Rocks on November 8, 2009 at 9:16 PM
They said Reagan wasn’t Reagan?
BPD on November 8, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Yep, I like Sarah, but all of the articles posted today about her…well it’s weird. So she’s going on her book tour soon. Well, nice I guess, but I want to know if the Senate has the guts to throw the Pelosi plan into the hash-heap of history.
Erich66 on November 8, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Maybe it’s just the A of S HQ in my but that is funny right there.
Caper29 on November 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Being a capitalist — If Time, Newsweek or anything written with Frum’s words could be put on a roll of TP, then an entrepreneur could make a tidy sum from the sale of such product(s). Can some types of recycling can be good for the environment?
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Yep.
KickandSwimMom on November 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Natter on, Frum, you irrelevant twit.
Huckabee/ Romney/ et al will save you.
Go Sarah!
profitsbeard on November 8, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Frum exemplifies the Washington elite. The only way Frum gets hits on his website is when AP links to him. He is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this: we tried it your way, Frum and we lost. McCain was supposedly the ideal moderate. Time for conservatism.
SG1_Conservative on November 8, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Trust me: Huckster has many shoes left to drop.
NoLeftTurn on November 8, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Also, there is something truly surreal about Frum using the word fantasy to name a post. You just renamed a site after yourself and you are going on about others’ fantasy?
Rocks on November 8, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Does Palin have any flaws? Should she have done anything differently up until now? Does she have any culpability in the failed GOP ticket? Should she be doing anything differently henceforth? Is she perfect?
The Race Card on November 8, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Basically. In the way we say Reagan today.
Caper29 on November 8, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Absolutely not.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Seriously. These arguments are so old and worn out. Frum, it seems, wrote this same article at least once a month over the past 7 months. We get it David. let it rest for f**k sakes.
Dritanian on November 8, 2009 at 9:21 PM
David Frum.
Proof that obama anal poisoning is not fatal. It just leaves you in a vegetative state.
The Democrats and RINOS will tell you who they fear~and they FEAR Sarah Palin.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM
I don’t think any serious Palin Fan believes she’s flawless or has been perfect etccc… jeez
Dritanian on November 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Sarah Palin = Graham Garlic
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Grow up, and try to stay on topic, huh?
Love ya, Lox. But this isn’t a teh ghey thread, or I would
and I’ve turned a new leaf on Palin…not that I’m turning into a Palinista *shudder* but I’m going to use more tact in arguing against her potential nomination than simply…well…arguing.
And I’m not sure why, exactly, people have probs with Boehner…he’s fighting the fight in the House for us…but alas, I digress and agree with you. I don’t wish Palin “ill” by any means. I do, and always have, respeted what she accomplished during her short-lived tenure as governor.
Still say resigning will hurt her in the long run tho.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Palin is not reagan
Squid Shark on November 8, 2009 at 8:16 PM
no Palin is a disciple of Reagan.
unseen on November 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM
I think I know where you’re going with this. Nobody here is claiming Palin is perfect, but she would have been pretty damn close if McCain’s people and prepared her better and let her be herself. She had no time to prepare for the national stage because McCain was dithering so long in his agony of wanting to pick Lieberman but couldn’t find a way to get away with it.
So, most of the blame lies with McCain in my opinion. Palin did whatever the campaign asked of her and then some.
KickandSwimMom on November 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM
No, obviously no one is perfect. Unlike the Obamatons we do not put our politicians on a pedestal. During the campaign I thought her debate with Biden was less than stellar. Granted, it’s not hard to win an argument with a tree stump, but she had been partially indoctrinated by the McCain camp at that point and I thought it showed. However, whatever flaws she may have, she is one of only a handful of politicians who have the courage to call out Obamao for precisely what he is.
SG1_Conservative on November 8, 2009 at 9:25 PM
She’s the best of the choices there is. Maybe you got some better alternative, if you dare.
the_nile on November 8, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I’ll let you answer your own questions since the topic of the thread is Frum’s “The Palin Fantasy.”
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM
A ‘true’ foot soldier of Reagan…unlike the breathing dem lite corpse that was nominated in 2008.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Thing is… I might have been able to vote for a McCain-Lieberman ticket if
1) They vowed to spend 1 term (and Lieberman didn’t run for re-election)
2) They’re only objective was to win the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM
JetBoy, why do you not like Palin? I’ve only been here a few weeks so I haven’t seen older threads where you and Lox may have discussed it but I take it that you have. And why does AP not like her?
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM
I only discussed last year’s election with two people, a moderate Democrat and a moderate Republcian, both middle class, average, middle-age women. The Democrat had decided to vote for McCain until a couple of weeks after Palin was selected, than said said she was voting for Obama because Palin was “stupid.” The Republican didn’t like Palin, but liked Mccain enough to still vote for him. After McCain’s loss, she blamed it on Plain and hates her now. So, it’s not just the elite who dislike Palin, and neither of these two “fear” her, they think Palin is incompetent or worse.
Although I believe Palin has a lot of strengths, I also believe the negative polls about her. But 2012 is a long way away and she has it in her to change those numbers. And she may not choose to run in 2012. At the moment, my guess is that if she ran, Palin would win the nomination. But I have no idea yet whether Obama can be beaten by anyone. He has so much of the news and entertainment media drooling over him, and they are very influential.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Can’t stay. Sorry if it seems like I’m bailing too quickly. Family movie night
Mormon Doc on November 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Enjoy your movie, Doc.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Only seriously started thinking of voting for McCain after Palin was on the ticket. I know that Palin was the reason my parents could vote for McCain. As well as their Democrat Neighbor (Who’s husband didn’t like Palin). Palin definitely injected “controversy” into the McCain camp, but it would seem that at least large swaths of the base finally felt like they had someone on their side. This will be critical in any national victory that the GOP wants to win.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Did AP say he didn’t like her? That sounds fairly direct for someone that passive aggressive…
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:38 PM
For me, Palin’s choice improved my opinion about McCain. I was one of those who held my nose and voted for McCain in part because of Palin, but mostly because of the Obamanation from the Left.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Yep, with Sting… enjoy the movie… It might be the only fun thing you do this week now that the Pelosi bill has been shoved through.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Oh God not Frum! The man reeks of PDS.
conservnut on November 8, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I can only speak from my personal experience but the majority of posters on a different site I’m on like Palin and only voted for McCain because of Sarah, myself included. Same goes for most ppl I’ve talked with in my community.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Palin quit like MacArthur quit the Phillipines. She will return.
JimK on November 8, 2009 at 9:40 PM
It’s not so much that I “don’t like” Palin…I harbor much more dislike for many of the Palinista’s running around touting her as the only conservative candidate, and if I don’t bow down to the patron saint of Wasila then I’m a RINO. That’s the jest of many of my past arguments ’round here.
AP isn’t anti-Palin either…he seems to get as much a kick out of watching her loyal, if not all too sane, uber-fanatics tout her as the GOP “The One”. They get testy when anyone dare to even criticize Palin.
I see far too much similarity between the unapologetic Palinistas as there was, and heck…still is…for Obama from the ‘bots.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I’m referring to all the comments made along those lines whenever AP posts about Sarah.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I don’t have a “problem” with Boehner, but he certainly hasn’t fired me up and inspired me to start a “Boehner 2012″ chant. Don’t think I’m the only one.
Let him run for the nomination, if he wants it. If he gets it, I’d probably vote for him.
Given the GOP history, though, it’s more likely that he’d run in 2012, finish somewhere in the running in the primary, then maybe have a shot in 2016 if we don’t have a GOP incumbent. For some reason, the GOP seems to like candidates who’ve had a kind of “trial run,” and the Boehner mentions kind of remind me of the “Duncan Hunter” buzz last time- some folks liked him, but he wasn’t able to capture enough of a cross-section to make a compelling run.
We’ll see.
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Sorry for teasing you.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Vice President Biden really likes David Frum because Frum rarely if ever mentions him in his articles.
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM
How many times do conservatives need to refute the notion that Palin was a drag on McCain’s ticket? An editorial written by Jonathan Last of the Philadelphia Inquirer last year tackled myths about the elction, one of them being that Palin hurt McCain. The stats, Frummy, prove you wrong.
If you don’t like her, so be it, little man. But in the words of my heroine, “Quit making things up, you jackass!”
(I took a little license with Sarah’s statement there.)
NebCon on November 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM
I honestly don’t know if AP likes anyone. I really don’t care. I will say though that many Palin supporters believe that AP tends to inject his own cynicism into certain threads to boost post numbers. There seems to be some evidence of this, but more and more, I find myself reading the comments instead of the actual post. :/
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Ok, thx for the explanation. I understand your point of view.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Me too, Beach. The week after Sarah’s speech, I put a sign up in my yard. I just wished it only said Palin on it.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:45 PM
If he does like her, he sure must be a dedicated blogger to scour for all the negative articles to post here despite his opinions….
hehe.
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 9:45 PM
No need to apologize, Lox. You’re alright in MY book.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:45 PM
I read the posts but the comments are what keeps me coming back to HA.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Oh, please. I’m a big boy…I can take some ribbin’
(no jokes please
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 9:48 PM
I was going to vote for Sen. McCain regardless of who his Vice President was (probably). But I have to tell you, Gov. Palin’s speech about Sen. McCain made me realize that despite my disagreements with him, he is a genuine hero and has sacrificed a lot for this country. I became proud of that team. She was, and from all I can tell still is, his greatest cheerleader. Please give her some credit for that.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 9:50 PM
All candidates have followers who go over the top in their loyalty and fan worship. Obviously Palin has many strengths, but some weaknesses. However, some of her most loyal and enthusiastic supporters see nothing but good in Palin and nothing but bad in her critics. That’s just the way it is with people everywhere, I guess.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Palin has been a class act in regards to McCain and his family. Wish I could say the same for them.
KickandSwimMom on November 8, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Poifect! And as I said, no matter who our “first choice”, if any, at the moment we want as the next GOP nominee, we ARE on the same side.
But…would you NOT have voted for McCain if he picked someone else?
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Oh, this is just low hanging fruit, JetBoy, but I’ll relent. But, I have to say, just because you will now be more tactful in your arguments against Sarah won’t make them any more correct.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:52 PM
We need a real conservative as the presidential candidate, not just the Veep. That’s the only way to really energize the base.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I haven’t read every single post in this thread, but I’d sure like to know why Frum feels it necessary to turn his critical gaze inward (toward his fellow conservatives) and spew out such a large share of “Palin beat down”. She’s a new and interesting politician. She has people who really like her and others who are interested to see what she can do.
He can of course write whatever he wants, but I’m just not gettin’ the motivation. Assuming he’s still Republican, why keep tearing away at Republicans when there’s plenty of stuff on the liberal side of things to go after? Seriously, what gives? Are he and others afraid that if they don’t keep “warning” us that she’ll just keep getting more and more popular and get elected somehow?
So what if he’s somewhat moderate and she’s more conservative? There’s bigger fish to fry out there in “leftie-land”!
cranbone on November 8, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Perhaps. Might depend on how progressive the Presidential candidate was.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM
I certainly do, Cindy. I do.
Thing is, did it really take Palin to convince you of McCain’s lifetime dedication and selfless service to this nation? I knew all along. Not trying to be “jerky” here…but I didn’t need Sarah Palin to tell me these things. McCain took a lot of unnecessary and baseless and mostly undeserved attacks…from his own party voters…during a general election.
That’s what ultimately cost him the White House. Sunk by his own.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Another ODummy voter rationalizing
jdkchem on November 8, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Allahpundit seems to be an equal opportunity snarker. Whenever he sees a snark opportunity, he pounces. Also, I do think he likes to increase page views by being inciteful. He can be so very, very naughty, that boy.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Yes~a candidate with conservative values! Don’t move the tent. Allow people to find the tent and come on in.
HornetSting on November 8, 2009 at 9:58 PM
HornetSting
I knew a little bit about Sarah courtesy of a friend of mine who kept bringing up her name as a possible running mate for Mc back when he first got the nom. But I had not heard her speak or even seen her other than in pictures. When she took the stage that first day when Mc introduced her I immediately liked her and I’ve grown to admire and respect her more and more everyday. I haven’t seen anyone else connect so with people since Reagan and she is like him in many ways. Fred too. And that, from me anyway, is the highest praise I can give anyone.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Sometimes, your sweetness is worse than your sting. You’re embarrassing me, again!
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Wrong.
Lots of people griped about McCain, but most of those (us) ended up voting for him, and would have even without Palin.
Palin gave some of us something to vote for instead of simply voting against Obama.
McCain’s job, as the lead candidate on the ticket, was to lay out a compelling vision for his campaign, to give voters reasons to pick him as our POTUS rather than his opponent, and to inspire the necessary passion to drive voter turnout.
He failed to do so. Circumstances were against him in some ways (economy, Bush hatred, etc.), but it was his job to win the campaign. He didn’t, and that’s on his shoulders.
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM
The million dollar question. I don’t know, it depends on who he might’ve picked. I almost didn’t vote for him anyway despite the crap I took from the “you’ll- help- Obama- be- elected- if- you- don’t- vote-for- Mc” crowd.
I’m tired of voting for the “lesser of two evils”. One day there won’t be a lesser of two evils, the two parties will be virtually indistinguishable from each other if we don’t take a stand.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:05 PM
It did take her to convince me. I reflexively move away from members in Congress in general and the Senate in particular. To me it seems like a lot of compromises are made in the name of “My dear friend, (fill in the blank). And it isn’t just Sen. McCain, I would probably feel the same about any member of the Senate. His story, as told by Gov. Palin, reminded me of his earlier history. I will probably never be happy with a presidential candidate that comes from the Senate. It is strictly a good old boys club regardless of what side of the aisle they are on and the votes are available to prove it.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 10:06 PM
That’s because his party voters took a lot of “unnecessary and baseless and mostly undeserved attacks” from Mc himself over the years.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:08 PM
It’s a boring inside baseball issue, but I’m still working on the tent issue in my head. It amazes me that some conservatives can be truly conservative, able to scold those in a Big tent with whom they disagree and debate them, yet charmingly. Then they gather us all together for a big family meal. Reagan did that. Palin has at least some of that charm as well, in her own way. And there are others. We need as much of that as we can find.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Darlin, there are people who would gripe if Allah wrote about a sure fired way to make a million dollars in a week. With a double your money guarantee if it didn’t work. It’s just human nature.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Good points made. And yes, as the top of the ticket, it was on “McCain’s shoulders”. Wish we could have had this kind of decorum in debating McCain during the election. It got ugly too many times…and I don’t like arguing with my own party, better to aim it at the Dems.
Oh, for sure it’s better to be able to vote for someone, than simply have to vote against someone else. But if you weren’t sold on McCain, he was far more than “the lesser of two evils”. With Obama on deck, it was a disaster of epic proportions just waiting to happen.
And look!
I voted for McCain/Palin. I’ll even admit, the day she was announced as his runningmate, I was very excited. I thought “McCain just won!”. Lasted about 2 or 3 days. The PAlin pick, IMHO, was a risky choice that did not pay off in the long run. She ultimately became a hindrance… deserved or not.
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Yawn.
All I know is this:
I think Palin will run in 2012.
I will support her, as enthusiastically as no other candidate since I supported Reagan in the ‘84.
If the GOP ends up nominating another candidate, fine. All I ask for is for her to run so that I can finally be excited about a Republican primary candidate.
It has, after all, been nearly 30 years since last time.
Norwegian on November 8, 2009 at 10:12 PM
These are solid yellow line answers to questions not asked by me. I already know what you think. I’ll wait for The Race Card.
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Gotta run ladies and gents…
(It’s my birthday tomorrow, wish me a happy one! Last year of my twenties…*sigh*)
’til next time
JetBoy on November 8, 2009 at 10:14 PM
PLEASE STOP!
There are only 3 things that we need to know at this point:
1.) Frum is a mouthpiece for himself only.
2.) The Dem attack machine in ONLY focused on Palin for the simple reason that she owns the arguments.
3.) Sarah Palin is the only honest politician that I have witnessed since Reagan. That’s why she’s so dangerous to them.
denniscb on November 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM
I do think McCain got a lot of mean spirited criticism from our side. I don’t think I ever bashed McCain, but I did criticize a lot of his views. He has just over an 80% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union. I don’t think he’s a RINO. That rating is unheard of for a Democrat, but it’s not that great for a Republican and not really that conservative. Mavericky. And sometimes, just Icky.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Sen. McCain didn’t lose because of Gov. Palin, he lost because of TARP and the great desire of the country to absolve themselves of unnecessary guilt by voting for someone historic. At this point I am praying that voting a black man into the presidency is the sum total of how historic this presidency is going to be.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Guys like Frum make me wonder why I’m supposed to hate Palin. What did she do that was so awful. Is he that freaked that she has devoted fans? Does he know why they love her so much? I don’t even think he cares. Yeah, her looks help. That’s for sure. Frankly, I think it’s pretty damn nice. But she’s also one of the few people sticking it to the Dems like no other high profile Republican, and getting all the heat for it. Leadership inspires, and the GOP has been bereft of it for a while now.
And yeah. I think Palin supporters know how much she’s hated, and by how many, thanks to you, just about every network and just about every newspaper and magazine. But this article will probably get him several spots on MSNBC this week. So, mission accomplished.
Seriously, I thought BDS was bad. This is just nuts. Not even about substantive issues. It’s crossed the line from analysis to hysteria. Frum and Matthews et al need to churn theories out every day and I think they come up with some fanciful thought and let it fly without any serious consideration. Then they pridefully stick to it. Or it’s because of the following:
…Look, David(as if he’s reading this), we’ve all been shot down by beautiful women at some point in our lives. Just don’t take it out on her. She’s not the one who rejected you in your past, from what I can guess was dozens of times. Come on now. Be a man.
Oh, and what Palin really needs to do is….WHATEVER THE HELL SHE WANTS! Yeeesh!
Dongemaharu on November 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM
If Frum were as smart as he thinks he is, he would know that people can and do change their minds (look at Obama’s approval ratings after only 10 months as POTUS). In Palin’s case people who formed a negative impression of her based on the media portrayal may change their minds when they see more of her.
Secondly, he would know that it’s least 18 months too early to write off anyone with the character and charisma of Sarah Palin.
Basilsbest on November 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Why does HA keep posting this idiot’s diatribes here. Does anyone here give a shit what he has to say?
darwin-t on November 8, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Happy Birthday Jetboy!
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:20 PM
If you don’t want me exchanging posts with you, I will stop. But I have so enjoyed doing so, and I would like to continue. Maybe we could even make one another laugh again. That would be good.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:21 PM
No, he’s not a RINO. I don’t understand this label “RINO.” Republican In Name Only. Conservatism isn’t synonymous with Republican-ism. The Conservative movement has used the Republican Party as it’s mode of transportation, but in the past, there may have been Republican issues that were not so compatible with Conservatism. John McCain and his friends represent the Progressive Republican Ideals just fine. Perhaps it is the conservatives that are RINO’s … I’m fine with labeling myself that way. Principles before party.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Obama is black????!!!!!
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Me too.
And in 1980 too for me, he was the first I ever voted for when I turned 18.
I was excited about Fred (no crap please, I’ve heard it all lol). I’m just as excited about Sarah.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Good grief. Have you seen the approval numbers for CONGRESS?!? %21!
You need to stop being a Boehner-bot. He is not electable.
IF the GOP can take the House back in 2010, he will be the new Speaker of the House. He will not be running for President, no way no how.
If he did, I would oppose him furiously because I am against nominating another Congress critter for President ever again.
Last time we wound up with two Senatorial windbags and I was upset about that fact from the primaries when it was down to McCain, and Hillary vs. Obama on the other side.
NO MORE SENATORS OR HOUSE REPS FOR PRESIDENT.
If he is doing such a great job in the House now, why not let him get to the Speaker’s office, which is clearly what HE wants?
Your support of Boehner for President is much more puzzling and unrealistic than supporting a Palin candidacy. She can turn those numbers around, there is plenty of time and she is more than talented enough to pull it off, particularly with the mood of the country trending like it is and a target rich environment in DC.
Maybe it is YOU who should rethink their position with a dose of reality, Jetboy.
Brian1972 on November 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Please stop that. You belong in the GOP and the GOP needs you. We have to be a conservative party. The question is how far from the conservative base one can stray, and on how many and which issues, before one doesn’t belong. As near as I can tell, you’re not conservative on everything. I thought you were more libertarian or “classical liberal” on some issues. Please stay and help build a good team that can fight and beat the liberal Democrats.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I think that you just nailed the ISSUE, it comes down to the progressive agenda versus the conservative / libertarian agenda. As far as I’m concerned the Republican party is in need of focus and quite frankly I don’t think that the two camps are compatible. So where does that leave us?
denniscb on November 8, 2009 at 10:32 PM
These are a bunch of preemptive strikes at Palin before her HUGE book tour begins. She has booked onto Oprah, Hannity, 3-nites w/O’Reilly and Barbara Walters. It is kind of pathetic, these “strikes”. The over reaching emotional, enlightened elites are only hyping her more, to their detriment; they don’t understand just how much America will support an over-abused underdog, esp one as determined and forceful as Palin.
And how is it that an effeminate schmuck like frum thinks he knows what women think? Does he have a secret va-jay-jay we don’t know about?
Ris4victory on November 8, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Lucky dog. Just a couple of more years, and he’ll be on Social Security.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Did I type that????? Oh, glory, don’t tell anyone.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM
And Doctor Zero, he’s great.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM
This is very well said, and precisely crystallizes why I like Palin more than anyone else out there. Dead on right.
I eagerly await those naysayers to have to start eating their thousands of misguided or agenda driven words very soon.
Brian1972 on November 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM
We can continue to exchange comments. I could have ignored your post. Instead, I tried to make you see that you were not the one I needed answers from. The Race Card poses questions to people here with his own answers to his own questions before they’re answered by anybody. I know damn well that his mind has already been made up for any or all his questions. I just wanted to see how he would respond to them himself.
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Lucky dog that he’s only 29. It goes by so fast.
Oh to be 25 again but with the (hopefully) wisdom of 45 lol
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:41 PM
The Race Card always takes both sides of all issues and has been known to get into heated arguments with himself. I think he is better looked at as a spectator sport.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM
47 rather.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM
LOL
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM
I haven’t been paying close enough attention then.
Americannodash on November 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Perhaps the GOP needs to allow the local parties decide what is acceptable. I don’t know. Part of me cheers for Republicans. They are often the lesser of two evils. That said, the Republican party is full of pork and people that are just wrong. My sentiments are somewhere along the lines of @denniscb. I’m all for unity, but principles have to come first.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Fee, Fi, Fo, Frum, I smell a jealous little boy, chum.
tigerlily on November 8, 2009 at 10:51 PM
One more of a long line of articles about Palin’s idiocy and worthlessness. If Palin is so bad, she is no threat.
Palin really has the hoi poloi concerned. She has no vote getting ability, and only a few rabble support her. The elites should be celebrating. Or do they fear Palin may do to them what they did to the rabble in the last primary: split the vote to bypass the public will, and spend the rest of the election castigating the voters for their lack of enthusiasm.
Why do they want to kill her off so desperately. Palin cannot make votes. She will fall on her face in a primary debate. She can only make their candidate look good.
And there is the mystery. Who is their candidate? The one who does not obviously look unequal to the job.
entagor on November 8, 2009 at 10:51 PM
I’m not sure what the modern definition of conservatism is. I wouldn’t have always considered myself along the lines of a libertarian; however, I was turned off by some of the arguments by the likes of Frum. Often, Frumish “conservatives” (Parker included) seem to argue for stable America no matter the means.
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM
He doesn’t come around all that much so it’s easy not to notice.
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM
MeatHeadinCA on November 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM
IMO, I think the more things change, the more they stay the same. The “Rockefeller Republicans” of the pre-Reagan years come to mind. Now we have the “progressives” who want to “reach across the aisle” and compromise with the Dems. I liked Reagan’s approach with Tipp O’Neill- Fight like crazy for what he believed in, but treated him with respect at the end of the day.
It would be nice to see that kind of maturity again in our political class, if we could get there.
Oh, and “respect” is not the same as compromising principles to get the opponent to like you.
cs89 on November 8, 2009 at 11:11 PM
A+
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 11:15 PM
She’s not a fantasy! She’s real! But in truth, what a lot of people fail to see, it’s not about her! It’s really about the message she is delivering! The package is nice, but it’s whats inside that is really inspiring people!
We have been waiting for a strong conservative leader for years now! Many have been saying how we lacked leadership! There has been a conservative vacuum for too long! She’s filling it! It’s about time someone did! Its nothing amazing! It’s just plain conservatism spoken articulately and with passion and character! It’s the same principle that pushes talk radio and conservative blogs and Fox!
Americans respond to conservatism! Why so this so hard to understand!!!
JellyToast on November 8, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I completely agree with everything you said. But why all the !!!!!!! ? Are you on a caffeine high? (teasing ya) I usually only see so many exclamation points from RP supporters lol
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Well Doctor Zero, are you going to let Frum get away with this travesty?
I didn’t think so…..=)
I smell a b!itch slap coming from the brilliant mind of Dr. Zero.
Frum, you better put on an adult diaper,….
portlandon on November 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Do you think Mr. Frum reads Dr. Zero?
Cindy Munford on November 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Tough call, but I’m pretty sure no one reads Frum unless he’s writing about Palin.
BadgerHawk on November 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM
The strike out was a Mistake. Sorry.
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 11:43 PM
The one ingredient everbody is missing Sarah will be speaking for herself and not for some one else. We have heard about the real Sarah well in a weeks time we will see & hear the real Sarah. The Oprah & BOR interviews are for all marbles. All I ask of them isto treat Sarah with respect and don’t edit the interviews.
Here is a refresher from June. Sarah held her own rather well.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/video-palin-on-today/
Agin sorry about the strike out.
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM
…This is the opening war in 2012…
unseen on November 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Would love to see Palin use the 1812 Overture as her campaign theme song…making history with an historic battlecry…because just like 1812, it’s WAR baby!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGLCvNdPRQQ&feature=related
P.S. Palin should also have produced recognizable and legal Star Wars “bar room scene” knockoff music to play in commercials about Barry and his gang of freaks…Alinsky ridicule powerboosted through music which makes it stick in the brain!
tigerlily on November 8, 2009 at 11:56 PM
I think Frum reads anything written about him. His Ego couldn’t ignore Dr Zero’s piece.
Dr Zero has been quoted lately by Levin & possibly Rush Limbaugh. He has quite a following.
portlandon on November 9, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Thanks and sorry. Yes, it would be interesting if you can get him to respond.
There are a lot of flora and fauna here that I find interesting to observe. He’s one of them. I’d like to have a conversation with both of him someday.
Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM
LOL
beachgirlusa on November 9, 2009 at 12:26 AM
It’s neither apt nor ominous. Palin has positioned herself as an activist rather than a would-be leader of conservatism. She can afford to be unpopular and still bring movement conservatives to the polls. She might never win an election outside of Alaska, but she can still help beat Democrats. Other than that, just look at her polling numbers and it should be obvious that Frum has the rest of it pegged.
RightOFLeft on November 9, 2009 at 12:35 AM
The local party is what gave us Dede Scozzafava in NY-23. I’d prefer voters making choices in primaries.
Corruption is a temptation everywhere. We must be vigilant to identify and weed out our own corrupt members.
I don’t support unity for unity’s sake. We really must stand for specific principles. I know the principles that I believe and support, but even among conservatives, we seem to have differences of opinion about specifics and people. So, it gets a bit tricky.
Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 12:38 AM
You seem to laugh at me a lot. Are my pants on backwards? I wish you were on Facebook or Twitter.
Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Not bad for someone breaking out the the Green Room.
Cindy Munford on November 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM
If only you knew how many times I have done the exact same thing.
I don’t know, that’s a lot of folks and a lot of opinions, I am not sure I could keep them straight. I think I will stick with hiding and watching.
Cindy Munford on November 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM
That “conversation with both of him” was very funny and no, your pants are not on backwards — you’re just facing the wrong way apparently, turn around.
Americannodash on November 9, 2009 at 12:54 AM
“Plain supporters have created an alternate reality… one that is outside the echo chamber of Washington… just who do these uppity people think they are?”
David Frumpy
Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM
I think I will stick with hiding and watching.Cindy Munford on November 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM
I’ve read many things written against you. Especially about your formatting. (Sorry. Can’t even fit the word “skills” into that last sentence.) But I never suspected you were as big a coward as me. Shame!
Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 12:59 AM
But I’ve gotten used to shaving in the toilet and taking a leek in the sink! And changing is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard! You are a very mean person!
Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 1:03 AM
Actually, rather than leeks, I prefer taking shallots in the sink. And Vidalia Onions, too.
Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Not bad. I especially liked the Obz – elephant – celephant reference on the QOTD thread.
That is it for me tonight. Good night my witty friend.
Americannodash on November 9, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Good night. And please take very good care of yourself.
Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 1:22 AM
Spare us your b.s. Your goal is to be as “jerky” as possible in every Palin thread.
Blake on November 9, 2009 at 1:38 AM
You really are a Dumb Frum.
- The Cat
P.S. I say when ever using that word in the noun form it should be replaced with frum.
MirCat on November 9, 2009 at 1:59 AM
Come on! There’s no way the opinions of a douche like Frum deserve this much discussion. Just open the window until the fart smell dissipates.
Kensington on November 9, 2009 at 4:47 AM
Can the folks at Hot Air please refrain from tasting the knob, that is, from posting dreck by Frump.
Coronagold on November 9, 2009 at 6:27 AM
So Frum presents us with another steaming pile of keyboard excretion wherein he vents his tiny spleen over the fact that more people think highly of Sarah Palin than him. A man whose ego caused him to create a blog called “New Majority”, only to be forced to rename it in such a way as to describe its actual readership: Frum Forum.
There are valid criticisms to be made of Gov. Palin. Unfortunately, Frum never bothers to make those. Instead, like a small child, he shakes his rattle and screams until his face is bright red. Unlike a small child, however, he seems incapable of learning.
Physics Geek on November 9, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Nope, they look fine to me.
beachgirlusa on November 9, 2009 at 8:27 AM
I can’t help but think that people like Frum continue to write about Sarah Palin so that they draw people to read what they write.
And if it weren’t for HotAir, I would know even know who Frum was. Thanks HotAir for making me annoyed, again. lol
bridgetown on November 9, 2009 at 8:38 AM
that should read, ‘I would not even know who Frum was’
more coffee…
bridgetown on November 9, 2009 at 8:39 AM
So, Frum’s back on “electability” again. He and his ilk were stuck on this point before they ever heard of Sarah Palin. It’s why they gave us John McCain in the first place. How’d that work out, champ?
And it’s time to press for clarity on the “statistical studies”. All I seem to remember from after the election was a poll (wish I could remember more) that asked Democrats if having Sarah Palin on the ticket made it more likely for them to switch to McCain. Well, obviously it didn’t!! Would having Reagan on the Ford ticket have made it more likely for hippies to switch to the Republican ticket in 1976?
RD on November 9, 2009 at 8:49 AM
David Frum is a has-been faggot.
David, go back to taking loads in the men’s room.
thebronze on November 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM
Wow, thanks for that dood – proof that I’ll never be banned from HA, I guess.
Akzed on November 9, 2009 at 8:58 AM
She need never run for anything again. She is hugely influential (look at her pre-pub book sales numbers), more so than many/most elected officials. Could Tom Castle or David Frum match her book sale numbers or interview requests?
Frum is whistling dixie, but Cuda can help lead the nation from the wings.
I also find it interesting that another woman, Michelle Bachman, is nearly as despised and at least as influential as Palin. She asked for it and got 20k people to show up in DC w/2 days’ notice.
Akzed on November 9, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Banned.
Allahpundit on November 9, 2009 at 9:12 AM
You’re right. We’re just venting. It’s therapeutic. Still, he’s so off his rocker and irrelevant, it might be good for HA and other conservative sites to just ignore him. And without the attention from us, he’d be even more marginalized that he already is.
And if Someone says we need to get input from the likes of Frum, well, we get it from plenty of other sources. Who needs him.
Dongemaharu on November 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM
It’s pretty obvious the Republican establishment hates Palin. They hate her because they fear her. They fear her because she’s been the only person in recent memory to ignore them and actually have the courage to say what must be said without worrying about the political consequences.
The communist democrats on the other hand are letting us know who they fear the most.
darwin on November 9, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Does Frum’s article represent hate speech?
Paging President Porch Monkey for a clarification.
Anders on November 9, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Good. And good riddance.
Physics Geek on November 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM
It seems to me the social conservatives have been to the GOP what the blacks are to the Democrats. The party wants our votes but not our input. It wins elections and then gives us lip service. It keeps us in line by making us afraid of the other side while selling us out on the policies we want and thought we voted for. The GOP wants the votes of all the middle-class homemakers, the evangelicals, and the constitutionalists, but it doesn’t want one of us leading the parade.
To hell with them.
rockmom on November 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Yeas, and the Dems are going after Bachmann just as hard as they are Palin.
I think they really fear a strong conservative woman peeling off women voters, and even some men who like strong and attractive women.
rockmom on November 9, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Oh, no! I always liked thebronze. In his defense, he’s a regular over at Ace’s and I think sometimes people forget the different rules.
Blake on November 9, 2009 at 10:21 AM
I am.
beachgirlusa on November 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Banned.
Allahpundit on November 20, 2009 at 12:01 AM